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Skoot
Local Threat
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Skoot on 03/01/2010 19:01:16
Originally by: EQUIANO
I guess for people who have low self worth in the real world it is an achievement. Hurting other people or for example animals just for the hell of it...hints at the sociopath.
Reporting for duty o7
Originally by: EQUIANO
Any douche bag can pounce on a relatively defenseless miner. No challenge at all. No skill involved. No respect is due.
What about the lulz?
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Cipher Jones You profit how? You cant salvage my wreck if i salvage it, cant loot it if i loot it. How do you profit? Please explain that.
Pods have cargo bays and slots for a salvager?
If you want to dispute my posts thats fine, but if you don't read them first why do you even bother? Because I came off as anti pirate for expressing my opinion? Anyway, I directly stated that I have an alt present, to answer your pseudo-question.
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Archangel17
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:02:00 -
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Skoot, this is mostly for the lulz but why not pull a small profit too? and since when does killing someone in a game make u abnormal in real life? (not directed at skoot)
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel17 Skoot, this is mostly for the lulz but why not pull a small profit too? and since when does killing someone in a game make u abnormal in real life? (not directed at skoot)
Any professional therapist can explain it to you.
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Archangel17
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Archangel17 Skoot, this is mostly for the lulz but why not pull a small profit too? and since when does killing someone in a game make u abnormal in real life? (not directed at skoot)
Any professional therapist can explain it to you.
lol thanks Dr phill ill be sure to go get checked out because some whinny eve player told me that something is wrong with me.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Cipher Jones You profit how? You cant salvage my wreck if i salvage it, cant loot it if i loot it. How do you profit? Please explain that.
Pods have cargo bays and slots for a salvager?
If you want to dispute my posts thats fine, but if you don't read them first why do you even bother? Because I came off as anti pirate for expressing my opinion? Anyway, I directly stated that I have an alt present, to answer your pseudo-question.
Well your pseudo-defence of an alt ready to salvage your wreck is easily countered by a bump from one of the pirate gang ships not to mention that even if you were ready and waiting for it to happen the live human running the pirate salvage ship is going to beat you every time to the loot and wreck. Now consider that the vast majority of players won't be ready and waiting with an alt to pick up his stuff and your pseudo-defense falls apart quicker than your former hulk.
Anyways I made a reply in a similar thread ages ago about how you can mine in a hulk in high sec and make even moar isk than you do in the belts and on top of that bypass 99.9999999% of all suicide ganks or can flippers.
How you say?
Mine missions.
I'll let you figure out the particulars.
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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GHOSTMINER TOM
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: GHOSTMINER TOM on 03/01/2010 19:23:57 I personaly love the idea of suicide attacks. No one is safe in RL from social misfits. Why so in eve? We need some kind of suicide doomsday device , so u can pay big bucks for one and sneak up to your faviorite hated outpost (or maybee just sit outside that hated Jita station) and BLAM! no more u and everyone around u. Bring on the virgins!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: GHOSTMINER TOM I personaly love the idea of suicide attacks. No one is safe in RL from social misfits. Why so in eve?
I love them too as it gives my production alts something to do by churning out replacement ships. Profit! \o/
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Skoot
Local Threat
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel17 Skoot, this is mostly for the lulz but why not pull a small profit too? and since when does killing someone in a game make u abnormal in real life? (not directed at skoot)
Suicide hauler for profit; suicide hulks for lulz. Me personally I have done a lot of suicide ganking, and it was only for the lulz. I do other things for profit.
If someone really did suicide gank you. They won by you making this thread.
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ThrashPower
Gallente Warmongers
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Archangel17 Skoot, this is mostly for the lulz but why not pull a small profit too? and since when does killing someone in a game make u abnormal in real life? (not directed at skoot)
Any professional therapist can explain it to you.
are you trolling?
eve is a pvp game, that's reason enough to kill anyone regardless of circumstances.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Cipher Jones You profit how? You cant salvage my wreck if i salvage it, cant loot it if i loot it. How do you profit? Please explain that.
Pods have cargo bays and slots for a salvager?
If you want to dispute my posts thats fine, but if you don't read them first why do you even bother? Because I came off as anti pirate for expressing my opinion? Anyway, I directly stated that I have an alt present, to answer your pseudo-question.
Well your pseudo-defence of an alt ready to salvage your wreck is easily countered by a bump from one of the pirate gang ships not to mention that even if you were ready and waiting for it to happen the live human running the pirate salvage ship is going to beat you every time to the loot and wreck. Now consider that the vast majority of players won't be ready and waiting with an alt to pick up his stuff and your pseudo-defense falls apart quicker than your former hulk.
Anyways I made a reply in a similar thread ages ago about how you can mine in a hulk in high sec and make even moar isk than you do in the belts and on top of that bypass 99.9999999% of all suicide ganks or can flippers.
How you say?
Mine missions.
I'll let you figure out the particulars.
If it weren't for the fact that that it happened like that, i.e. I got ganked by 9 "pirates" that didn't get anything because i salvaged and looted my own wreck, then yes, you would have a point. Piracy without profit is for sociopaths. If you want to play one online, more power to you I suppose.
You can get ganked mission mining ever since 2 expansions ago, and you pulled that statistic out of your ass.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones and you pulled that statistic out of your ass.
Much like you did with this thread. Hyperbole indeed..
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer I'm going to stop replying to these.
I think moast would additionaly prefer that you also quit making them.
I really didn't have an opinion about you one way or the other until the above post. Now you just get lumped into the same pile with the rest of the brainless carebears. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer I'm going to stop replying to these.
I think moast would additionaly prefer that you also quit making them.
I really didn't have an opinion about you one way or the other until the above post. Now you just get lumped into the same pile with the rest of the brainless carebears.
Yes because your opinion matters to me or anyone else for that matter in game or on the forums. Try harder.
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones Rabble Rabble Rabble
I just found your Hulk kill on Battleclinic, its a thing of beauty. Much <3 to Advocates of Sin and Final Agony that work of art.
Miner ganking is kinda like playing video poker. You win a little, lose a little, but you just waiting for the royal flush which is a faction module drop. That pays for your ganks for months.
After insurance, we still make a profit regardless of whether we loot and salvage so it really doesnt matter.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: ThrashPower
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Archangel17 Skoot, this is mostly for the lulz but why not pull a small profit too? and since when does killing someone in a game make u abnormal in real life? (not directed at skoot)
Any professional therapist can explain it to you.
are you trolling?
eve is a pvp game, that's reason enough to kill anyone regardless of circumstances.
Agreed. and to take your own in game money, which represents real world time, and to sacrafice it to take the same thing from someone else is a reason not to do it. Choosing violence over logic one thing.
Now, add to the fact that there are thousands of people willingly PvP'ing in this game at any given time but people would rather suicide gank in hisec shows who the real carebears are.
"Oh look at me I PvP against people who obviously don't want to but I am afraid of the people that reallywant to and are waiting for me."
If you play EvE and you are PvP'ing agianst unwilling targets that you don't gain anything other than a killmail from, its for 1 of 2 reasons.
you dont have the 1. ISK 2. Balls to go fight people who want to.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:02:00 -
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ITT: People who fail to realise that every sandbox has a cat that wants to take a steaming dump in it and consequently doesn't look first before he steps right into it..
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Taiberian
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Taiberian on 03/01/2010 20:24:31
Originally by: Archangel17 no your right, ill just attack you in 1 ship, and die to concord before i blow you up. how are you not a good pirate with such logic?
So, if I get this right the gankers have 0 risk Vs reward and the victim has 100% chances of die (solo, unarmed ship..) and 0 reward.
any time a guy undock with his hulk has a risk. any time 4 guys gather in fully insurance ships to gank unarmed ships have 0 risk (even that they got destroyed by concord insurance covers this lost)
Who do you say is the carebear?
hey, this is not a whine.. is just that I really don't understand why gankers call carebears at their victims when I think its clearly the opposite.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Taiberian
Originally by: Archangel17 no your right, ill just attack you in 1 ship, and die to concord before i blow you up. how are you not a good pirate with such logic?
So, if I get this right the gankers have 0 risk Vs reward and the victim has 100% chances or die (solo, unarmed ship..) and 0 reward.
Who do you say is the carebear?
I'm sure to get in trouble for saying it but: Both of them?
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Nanita Imlae
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel17
Does this work for you?
OMG! I would have loved, nay would have payed, to see this
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Selrid Miamarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:25:00 -
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Quote: The rules of engagement should be balanced, obviously.
Wolfs that cant kill deer on their own die and don't evolve. I gaurentee that was not the intent of ccp's design model.
We can balance them by hitting up low or 0.0 with a group of people. This game though works as it is for the core audience, and CCP is not going to risk an NGE by making any more changes to alienate it.
We both knew coming in what kind of rep this game had, and it's pointless to decry it for being it. Best success is learning from this, and lolling at the forum tough guys who talk a lot while you cheerfully keep as far away from them as possible and make the ISK.
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Skoot
Local Threat
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Taiberian
So, if I get this right the gankers have 0 risk Vs reward and the victim has 100% chances of die (solo, unarmed ship..) and 0 reward.
Wrong, the suicide ganker could lose his ship and get nothing.
It happens a lot, the suicide ganker targets someone with good stuff, and that good stuff ends up getting blown up and the suicide ganker wasted his time and ship.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Forge Lag on 03/01/2010 23:52:39
That the rules favor pirates is unfortunate but necessary for the "job" to be viable.
That the rules PROTECT pirates is plain dumb.
Currently, due to insurance, suicide ganks cost no ISK. At the same time, sped up Concord response from several patches ago makes the very same pirates impervious themselves. Concord law violations should not be allowed because the only purpose why they are allowed today is - suiciding. But then, in order to not make high-sec totally safe and abused, we would need working wardecs and real motivation to leave NPC corps. It is one nasty tangled mess. Take it or leave it, CCP is not gonna fix it any time soon.
For the time being they should at least remove the stupid borked obsolete insurance, it does more harm than help. Just replace the "Do you want to be Concordokkened?" confirmatin box with "This will get you killed, forget it." message box for newbies. Saves them from killing themselves and saves the rest of us from cheap suicidal alts.
Edit: Sad truth is that EvE PvP is so boring, suiciding sounds like fun.
"Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 03/01/2010 23:56:15
Originally by: Skoot
Wrong, the suicide ganker could lose his ship and get nothing.
It happens a lot, the suicide ganker targets someone with good stuff, and that good stuff ends up getting blown up and the suicide ganker wasted his time and ship.
You don't seem to understand. People wouldn't suicide if they didn't get something out of it.
To make yourself safe from suicide gankers you must first understand exactly what it is they want and then learn how to deny that to the pirates.
Also I do think insurance should be changed so that it doesn't pay out if you lose your ship to CONCORD, but I'll also say in the same breath that all that will do is stop the solo suicide gankers. Even with no insurance whatsoever destroyer gangs are still cheap enough to throw around like they're nothing.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:57:00 -
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They want to have fun. The only way to protect yourself is to direct them towards some other game because you cannot solve that puzzle inside EvE.
"Real men play badminton, deep diving is for pussies." PvP 13373P33K unscrambled
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2010.01.04 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 04/01/2010 00:18:39
Originally by: Cipher Jones you dont have the 1. ISK 2. Balls to go fight people who want to.
A therapist can make a lot more out of this then they can out of the activity of griefing online.
And because this is the internet and it is sort of a requirement to play psych expert... It is a loaded statement. It doesn't actually mean anything. It simply exists to give the victim some sense of superiority over the attacker. The action is meant for enjoyment/amusement, not for proving strength or a challenge or even profit. Pretending it should is just justifying failure. It also feeds the amusement/enjoyment of the attacker even more, because they realise this.
On the up side, the statement is a win-win for all involved (since both sides get to use it to laugh at the other).
Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work. |
Captain Hooker
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Posted - 2010.01.04 00:19:00 -
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EQUIANO, I know how you feel man. The Pirates currently ingame have nothing better to do right now then kill carebears. I started running around in low tech mining stuff now, so let them gank away. I agree it is unbalance right now. The players doing it have years of xp and tons of isk to spend. Any player who suicidal in Hi Sec are exploting the game right now. In time they will get bored and find some other shiny object to play with. |
Epic DaSoto
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Posted - 2010.01.04 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia As the resident troll-hugger, I feel obliged to answer. Originally by: EQUIANO My view is that if you want to fight, go to a low sec system and pick a fight with an opponent capable of fighting back.
Well, your view is not EVE's view. In this game, the rule is that if you don't want a fight, you don't undock.
Quote: Why is that Pirates can pass through CCP stations gates and ships without immediately being engaged?
Because the players choose not to engage them.
Quote: As I understood the ROE of EVE all Pirates were subject to attack from CCP on sight, thus relegating them to low sec space.
They're subject to attack from anyone on sight, which makes travel in highsecà well, not that different from travel in lowsec or nullsec, tbh, except that you get automated police response as an added bonus.
Quote: Minimum, CCP should pod kill the players when they arrive and engage and the costs of the ship they attacked be deducted from The players involved accounts.
NPCs don't pod players û only players are allowed to deliver that kind of punishment. If CONCORD or the navies started podding people, it would only be reasonable that belt- and mission rats do the same, and we don't want that, now do we?
That's faulty logic. CONCORD already has abilities other NPCs do not. Also, one hand hand you are an advocate for danger outside the station...but then you don't want NPCs podding people. I think it an enhanced AI would be something nice for the game.
I definitely would like to see insurance denied for suicide gankers.
I love this game but I hate the ********s that the game attracts.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.04 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 04/01/2010 00:53:39 Edited by: Kessiaan on 04/01/2010 00:51:24 Also, I believe highsec mechanics are fine in general. What's broken is that a 150 million ISK ship that has to remain stationary for hours at a time to do its job can be killed in two volleys by a destroyer gang that costs less than 5 million ISK *before* insurance is taken into account, and there is absolutely *nothing* the Hulk pilot can do about it once he becomes aware of an attack - the first sign a Hulk pilot has of danger is getting bumped by a covops as the covops' gang jump in, and he's dead before he can align.
Of course, going purely by the ship description, Hulks are intended to be used in nullsec where any competent pilot will POS up as soon as someone non-blue jumps into the system. Covetors aren't targets, are fully insurable, and mine almost as well. So this may be by design.
I think if CCP decides something is broken, the best solution would be to just bump up the Hulk's base EHP to about 30K - 3x more buffer would require a cruiser gang to reasonably suicide without changing anything else about the Hulk in general.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Epic DaSoto That's faulty logic. CONCORD already has abilities other NPCs do not.
They have abilities to do their job: to enforce the aggression cost that defines highsec. However, the fact remains: NPCs don't pod, and for a good reason.
Quote: Also, one hand hand you are an advocate for danger outside the station...but then you don't want NPCs podding people. I think it an enhanced AI would be something nice for the game.
First of all, podding has nothing to do with "enhanced AI" – it would be the exact same AI, only it now targets pods as well. Furthermore, yes, danger is good, but podding doesn't increase that danger – it reduces it. The best danger you can get in the game is that of other players. If those players forfeit the danger they can project, then that's their choice and their problem, and not something the game should try to compensate for. [insert standard CCP speil of player-driven game and emergent gameplay and all that jazz]
Quote: I definitely would like to see insurance denied for suicide gankers.
That would only have the effect of making highsec safer, which is quite the opposite of what it currently needs.
Quote: I love this game but I hate the ********s that the game attracts.
The arses are the game. It wouldn't be the same game without them, and you would probably no longer like it… (in fact, without the mechanics that allows the arses to exist, the concept of EVE most likely wouldn't even work). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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