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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Exlegion on 03/01/2010 20:44:12 My fit:
3x Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Arrays (in the mids) 1x Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer (subsystem)
No drones No shield extenders No signature-increasing rigs
According to Fitting Screen:
Signature Radius = 150m Gravimetric Sensor Strength = 161 Points
I was still probed in under a minute!
What am I doing wrong? What is the formula equating signature radius to sensor strength? What value do I need to make my Tengu unprobable?
Thanks in advance :)
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:58:00 -
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Dont forget to activate those ECCMs. People forget they're not passive mods.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:04:00 -
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They were activated as soon as I left station and into mission. The only thing I can think of is the reading is wrong on the fitting screen. My Tengu levels are at 3 all across and 161 points for sensor strength at level 3 seems a little high. But perhaps someone can confirm the math, as I don't know what the formula is to make it unprobable.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Kasutra
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:04:00 -
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Were Angels nearby? You might have been TPed.
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Xoth Freefall
Minmatar New Horizon Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:05:00 -
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They might have been probing for wrecks.
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Eldern Minderhost
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xoth Freefall They might have been probing for wrecks.
That isn't possible. Learn how probing works...
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kasutra Were Angels nearby? You might have been TPed.
Mission was against Mercenaries. I'm not sure if they can target-paint though. It's a possibility I suppose.
Originally by: Xoth Freefall They might have been probing for wrecks.
I don't think wrecks are probable.
I was probed down using Sisters Combat Probes. Might this have something to do with it? Perhaps the prober had implants and was pretty decked out for max probing. Would this affect my sig/sensor strength?
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:17:00 -
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Did you, perhaps, load Fury heavy missiles? They'll increase your signature radius when loaded. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries Did you, perhaps, load Fury heavy missiles? They'll increase your signature radius when loaded.
By quite a lot too.... +5.4% per launcher
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:51:00 -
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Was using faction missiles.
Perhaps I was indeed being painted by Mercenaries .
I'll have to pay close attention when I mission against these.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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Klausan
Cool Ninjas of Awesome Ownage
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Posted - 2010.01.03 22:05:00 -
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They could have probed down the site which you were doing
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.03 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion They were activated as soon as I left station and into mission. The only thing I can think of is the reading is wrong on the fitting screen. My Tengu levels are at 3 all across and 161 points for sensor strength at level 3 seems a little high. But perhaps someone can confirm the math, as I don't know what the formula is to make it unprobable.
Train them higher... lvl 4 or 5 is prefered and please get a set of HIGH GRADE Talons.
and you can then look at running a better setup. one mid slot and one low slot eccm type mods.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Exlegion on 03/01/2010 22:20:51
Originally by: Klausan They could have probed down the site which you were doing
It was actually a level 4 mission in low security space.
Originally by: Lady Aja
Train them higher... lvl 4 or 5 is prefered and please get a set of HIGH GRADE Talons.
and you can then look at running a better setup. one mid slot and one low slot eccm type mods.
I might have gotten too comfortable with Tengu skills at level 3 . Will definitely train them higher. Anyhow, I'd like to know what is considered an 'unprobable' Tengu, given that my setup doesn't seem to be one. Anyone knows what constitutes one and is willing to share his/her knowledge?
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: adriaans on 03/01/2010 23:05:57
Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 03/01/2010 22:20:51
Originally by: Klausan They could have probed down the site which you were doing
It was actually a level 4 mission in low security space.
Originally by: Lady Aja
Train them higher... lvl 4 or 5 is prefered and please get a set of HIGH GRADE Talons.
and you can then look at running a better setup. one mid slot and one low slot eccm type mods.
I might have gotten too comfortable with Tengu skills at level 3 . Will definitely train them higher. Anyhow, I'd like to know what is considered an 'unprobable' Tengu, given that my setup doesn't seem to be one. Anyone knows what constitutes one and is willing to share his/her knowledge?
As far as i know, you dont get those values without the subsys skill at lvl 5... Might be it? -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 03/01/2010 22:20:51
Originally by: Klausan They could have probed down the site which you were doing
It was actually a level 4 mission in low security space.
Originally by: Lady Aja
Train them higher... lvl 4 or 5 is prefered and please get a set of HIGH GRADE Talons.
and you can then look at running a better setup. one mid slot and one low slot eccm type mods.
I might have gotten too comfortable with Tengu skills at level 3 . Will definitely train them higher. Anyhow, I'd like to know what is considered an 'unprobable' Tengu, given that my setup doesn't seem to be one. Anyone knows what constitutes one and is willing to share his/her knowledge?
the actual ratio I believe is 1.08 SS to SR to be 100% impossible to probe out. But in reality, even a 1.4 SS to SR ratio will mean that only the best skilled pilots with implants, bonused ship and probes MAY find you
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Ljonynja
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:48:00 -
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You... wouldn't happen to be running an MWD, would you?
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.04 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: adriaans As far as i know, you dont get those values without the subsys skill at lvl 5... Might be it?
Possible. But if this is the case it means the numbers aren't correct on the fitting screen. I was under the impression that as long as the ratio between sensor strength and signature was 1.08 or less the ship was inprobable.
Originally by: Lady Aja the actual ratio I believe is 1.08 SS to SR to be 100% impossible to probe out. But in reality, even a 1.4 SS to SR ratio will mean that only the best skilled pilots with implants, bonused ship and probes MAY find you
NOTE : read this
Thanks for the link. Been looking for that :D. All the same, it seems I should have been unprobable so it still leaves me with doubt . Have absolutely no idea what happened.
Originally by: You... wouldn't happen to be running an MWD, would you?
No MWD, so that couldn't be it either.
Thanks for helping me troubleshoot this incident, though. Any other ideas?
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Kismo
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Posted - 2010.01.04 00:21:00 -
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Not to be rude but you seem to be unwilling to share the exact fit. Why? What was the exact fit?
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AgentFruitfly
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Posted - 2010.01.04 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion Signature Radius = 150m Gravimetric Sensor Strength = 161 Points
I was still probed in under a minute!
Pick any 2.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.04 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo Not to be rude but you seem to be unwilling to share the exact fit. Why? What was the exact fit?
Fair question. To be honest I am adamant about sharing my exact fit because I operate in an area extremely hostile where even a little information can be used against me. I posted the relevant modules (those that might affect sig and/or sensor strength).
With that said I think I might have not fit the subsystem as I originally thought I did. The saved subsystem is NOT the one I posted on the OP. So it is very likely I went out with the wrong subsystem to the mission .
In any case I appreciate everyone helping me figure out where I noobed out :P. I thank all who helped o7.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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Poeser Rufus
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Posted - 2010.01.04 01:53:00 -
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there was, maybe is a bug negating all ship bonuses, which hurts tech 3 the most. had my tengu failing the other day while probing, and couldn¦t even scan down a site with sisters gear and sub skills 5 probing skills 4 while using combat probes, which made me dock, relog an everything was back to normal. there are a couple of threads here stating these, even one with a mod response to it i dare to remember.
that might have been it...
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Adehlea
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Posted - 2010.01.04 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion
With that said I think I might have not fit the subsystem as I originally thought I did. The saved subsystem is NOT the one I posted on the OP. So it is very likely I went out with the wrong subsystem to the mission .
That would do it, you absolutely must have the Dissolution Sequencer fitted.
As I said in the link that Lady Aja posted my Tengu has 150SR and 146SS, so in theory should have been less probable than your 150/161, and I have taken it into low sec many times, and have watched D-Scan as the local pirate population tries to scan me down.
Nothing seems to excite local pirates quite so much as an uncloaked T3 ship stitting still in space =)
I've watched D-Scan as the number of combat probes increases as they try to get more people on it, i've watched them replace their usual ships with CovOps ships to get the extra sensor strength all to no avail.
As I said, the best my alt can do is 44%, though there are some things she could do to increase that number:
- Train Astrometric Rangefinding to 5 (an extra 10%) - Fit another rig (another 11%) - Use PPH-2 implant (another 10%) - Use Virtue implants (another 18.75%)
But none of that is going to increase that strength from 44 to 100.
So, in short, I'm confident that the 1.08 ratio is correct - I quite often AFK for an hour or two with my ship left visible. So I think you must have had some external factors in play.
Either
- you didnt activate the ECCM modules - you didnt have the right subsytem - you were target painted / using a MWD
Also, a note to your fitting - gaining one more Electronics subsytem skill level (to IV), would allow you to use
1 x Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster in a low slot 2 x Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Arrays in the mid slots
Giving up 3 mid slots isnt something that I would like to do, but 2+1 low is (IMO) a better mix.
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AgentFruitfly
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Posted - 2010.01.04 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Adehlea That would do it, you absolutely must have the Dissolution Sequencer fitted.
False.
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Adehlea
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Posted - 2010.01.04 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: AgentFruitfly
Originally by: Adehlea That would do it, you absolutely must have the Dissolution Sequencer fitted.
False.
Well, unless you have a decent number of Talon implants, I suppose.
Playing in EFT a full Talon set + 2 low slots boosters + 2 mid slot boosters would do the trick w/out using the Dis Seq.
But for all practical purposes, you may as well use the Dis Seq!
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Schwa88
Kiss My Assets Kiss My Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.04 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Schwa88 on 04/01/2010 20:45:43 Someone, a little while back put up a couple of fits on BC which were hotly debated. There is simply no ship that is totally un-probable. People need to realize that if you're in space and not cloaked you can be found by anyone with combat probes.
The thought that anything is "invisible" to probers is completely and totally false, I've come across a number of t3 pilots who gave up tears because they thought that a couple of ECCM mods gave them a free ticket. For the record... I have astrometrics 3 and no other relevant probing skills.
Edit: SP
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.04 20:56:00 -
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"Probable" means "likely to occur or prove true".
Maybe it should be "probeable"?
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.01.04 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Schwa88 Edited by: Schwa88 on 04/01/2010 20:59:01 Edited by: Schwa88 on 04/01/2010 20:45:43 Someone, a little while back put up a couple of fits on BC which were hotly debated. There is simply no ship that is totally un-probEable. People need to realize that if you're in space and not cloaked you can be found by anyone with combat probes.
The thought that anything is "invisible" to probers is completely and totally false, I've come across a number of t3 pilots who gave up tears because they thought that a couple of ECCM mods gave them a free ticket. For the record... I have astrometrics 3 and no other relevant probing skills.
Edit: SP Edit2: Good catch ;)
Ouch! Oh my, if this is true . Can someone confirm this?
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.01.04 21:15:00 -
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Ofc you are visible to scans/probes, prober just wont get warpable hit on you. And it works well /angel tps can make you probeable/.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.04 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Schwa88 Someone, a little while back put up a couple of fits on BC which were hotly debated. There is simply no ship that is totally un-probEable.
You wouldn't happen to have a link to that would you? BC certainly sees its fair share of nonsense, and I'd like to see what kinds of arguments were brought up to disprove the maths of unprobeability… ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Schwa88
Kiss My Assets Kiss My Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.05 02:41:00 -
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Here it is: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/31132-Sleipnir-un-scannable-L4s-1-of-2.html
It was posted as part of a pair I think they were meant to be dual boxed with a warfare link... or something.
This link is also pretty relevant: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1119841/page/1
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