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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:31:00 -
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Had an idea for "hireing" concord :) For added protection during your mining OPs.
Now many of you might be asking how do you "hire" concord for added protection duties? Well its actually easier than you think, and will cost a lot less than the 10m they are charging for "protection" and shud make things a little more fun too...
First fit a nice big tank as every damn hulk pilot should be, if hulks can survive in nullsec they shud be surviveable atleast for 30 seconds in highsec!
Now comes the hiring of concord :)
Create an alt, im talking bare minimum alt, have him warp to the belt where your corp is mining, make sure hes in the cheapest t1 frigate he can pilot, with 1 blaster with 1 round :) (see where im going yet)
Now fire that single round at your hulk, tada now watch as a bunch of concord ships warp to belt and kill your poor alts ship, now hears the funny part, watch as those concord ships hang around for hours, yes these f*ckers linger for a long time and reduce their response time to near 0 in the belt. Want to increase your protection? You know cause theirs 4 guys sitting around from your corp ice mining, bring out 1 or 2 more alts and do the same, u loose 0ISK from the insured alt, and you spawn 3-4 waves of concord right next to your op...
Now listen i havent tried this but i have seen how concord responds and a dozen concord ships is definitly a huge deterent to a would be ganker. No way he'll get off the 5-6 volleys needed to pop you before concord walks over 100m and slaps him in the head.
Just my 2 cents :) No warranty, and No Guarantee on it working
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Helghast Create an alt, im talking bare minimum alt, have him warp to the belt where your corp is mining, make sure hes in the cheapest t1 frigate he can pilot, with 1 blaster with 1 round :) (see where im going yet)
...u loose 0ISK from the insured alt...
Rookie frigate is free, insurance is unnecessary (if even possible), and comes with an ammo-less gun automatically. |
Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:18:00 -
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There is no defence against a competent gank team that can take your hulk out in a single salvo, because CONCORD won't shoot at them until they do fire the first salvo, and if they're doing it right, your hulk is a wreck by then. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:45:00 -
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True but i'd think their are better targets during hulkageddon than 2 hulks surrounded by 10 concord patrol ships lol :)
and ya the rookie ship is a better idea i had forgot about those :)
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This NameTaken
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Helghast Had an idea for "hireing" concord :) For added protection during your mining OPs.
Now many of you might be asking how do you "hire" concord for added protection duties? Well its actually easier than you think, and will cost a lot less than the 10m they are charging for "protection" and shud make things a little more fun too...
First fit a nice big tank as every damn hulk pilot should be, if hulks can survive in nullsec they shud be surviveable atleast for 30 seconds in highsec!
Now comes the hiring of concord :)
I thought this was considered an exploit?
Create an alt, im talking bare minimum alt, have him warp to the belt where your corp is mining, make sure hes in the cheapest t1 frigate he can pilot, with 1 blaster with 1 round :) (see where im going yet)
Now fire that single round at your hulk, tada now watch as a bunch of concord ships warp to belt and kill your poor alts ship, now hears the funny part, watch as those concord ships hang around for hours, yes these f*ckers linger for a long time and reduce their response time to near 0 in the belt. Want to increase your protection? You know cause theirs 4 guys sitting around from your corp ice mining, bring out 1 or 2 more alts and do the same, u loose 0ISK from the insured alt, and you spawn 3-4 waves of concord right next to your op...
Now listen i havent tried this but i have seen how concord responds and a dozen concord ships is definitly a huge deterent to a would be ganker. No way he'll get off the 5-6 volleys needed to pop you before concord walks over 100m and slaps him in the head.
Just my 2 cents :) No warranty, and No Guarantee on it working
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Exstasia
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Posted - 2010.01.05 18:12:00 -
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Wouldnt this be considered an exploit though? I mean I dont want to try it if CCP is gonna go around and start giving warnings and such...
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.05 18:43:00 -
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it will not work new concord are summed for each attack -- | Capital |
Tzarus
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Posted - 2010.01.05 19:31:00 -
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summing concord with the sole purpose of use it as "personal guard" is an exploit.
Don't do it if you don't want to have troubles.
Nobody likes to get ganked but fairplay is always mandatory.
Fake edit: and yes, suicide gank is fairplay under CCP rules.
fake edit 2: creating disposable alts with the sole purpose of use them as suicide pilots and delete them once they had negative status is also an exploit. So, gankers should, also, play fair.
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MotherFarker
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Posted - 2010.01.05 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tzarus fake edit 2: creating disposable alts with the sole purpose of use them as suicide pilots and delete them once they had negative status is also an exploit.
No its not.
For the other thing, someone has to PROVE you did it on purpose. Some other fail ganker got there first. Prove otherwise. |
Vlad The'Whorer
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Posted - 2010.01.05 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: MotherFarker
Originally by: Tzarus fake edit 2: creating disposable alts with the sole purpose of use them as suicide pilots and delete them once they had negative status is also an exploit.
No its not.
For the other thing, someone has to PROVE you did it on purpose. Some other fail ganker got there first. Prove otherwise.
CCP has log's of every thing that happens literally every thing. All they have to do is consult their logs and viola there is the proof, And recycling alts for suicide ganking is a exploit has been for a very long time. You should read the TOS and EULA be for spewing your crap all over the internet.
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Calkota
Retribution. Inc. E-P-O-C-H
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Posted - 2010.01.05 20:33:00 -
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Have fun trying to explain to the GMs how a single rookie ship on a trial account logging on with the same IP address was a failed suicide gank.
Oh, but I'm sure they can't see who called concord...
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.01.05 23:20:00 -
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This hulkageddon crud is the biggest bunch of BS I've heard in a long time.
It's either a scam, fear tactics, extortion false boasting... something.
I am certainly not in the least bit taking it seriously.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.01.05 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Calkota Have fun trying to explain to the GMs how a single rookie ship on a trial account logging on with the same IP address was a failed suicide gank.
Oh, but I'm sure they can't see who called concord...
It's called laptop + mobile broadband = win.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.01.06 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa This hulkageddon crud is the biggest bunch of BS I've heard in a long time.
It's either a scam, fear tactics, extortion false boasting... something.
I am certainly not in the least bit taking it seriously.
Oh, it's real, the first one went on for quite a while and netted quite a few hulk kills.
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Maximilian Black
Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies
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Posted - 2010.01.06 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Maximilian Black on 06/01/2010 00:59:10
Originally by: Kitimortoa Edited by: Kitimortoa on 06/01/2010 There's also this nifty thing windows users can do (can do on any OS, just not sure how to go about it for mac or linux), click start > run > in the box type cmd then <enter> at the prompt type: ipconfig /release all <enter> ipconfig /renew all <enter>
in most cases, new ip address is assigned...granted this only works out if your internet connection isn't going through a router in your home...
if you don't get an ip after the renew then reboot and you're all set...
Uh, hate to rain on the parade, but you're forgetting that YOU have to login to YOUR account to create an alt. Your IP address is irrelevant, they more than likely log based on your character ID (ergo, your account ID), so using a dynamic IP won't do anything.
Edit: BTW, love the original poster's idea. But be sure to send CONCORD a thank you card, or they may look at you funny next time you gate.
--- Maximilian Black Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies |
Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.06 00:59:00 -
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I had already posted this idea in GD afew days ago. It was really funny to hear the Gankers crying exploit. But I have multiple accounts, and have multiple Concord Callers :).
Mine while aligned, and have a good, but no faction items, tank.
I am also gonna take an active approach. I will attempt to probe down their Orca's and GANK the crap out of them. I have 4 BS trained alt's just really looking forward to this. An Orca and a bunch of Flashy Red Pod's trying to get in ships would be quite a fun target.
Watch for flashy red's in local folks, I will be, in anticipation of some fun I hope.
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imunchclit
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Posted - 2010.01.06 03:13:00 -
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No! You misunderstand! I really am trying to gank a hulk in my noobship! Being a goon wannabe is not an exploit!
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Jessica Lanson
Port Hercules
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Posted - 2010.01.06 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 06/01/2010 03:41:29
Confirmed as exploit here.
Originally by: GM Grimmi Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.
TBTFH Concord's useless if you get one volleyed.
They still use Orca to stage? Seems no reason for it these days. I think faction war has taught a lot of people how to dodge those pesky police!
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Mahts
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Posted - 2010.01.06 05:23:00 -
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So let me get this straight, it's not an exploit for them to use alts to gank hulks in high sec (I doubt they want to take the rep hit on a main), but it is an exploit for hulk owners to try and do something about it by using a temporary alt as well??
Seems to me the entire system is bonked. In high security space all ships should have a "black box" that reports to concord that the owner is thinking of firing on a non war dec ship (ie, locking weapons) and the ship's systems should shut down until Concord arrives to arrest the owner - after a warning of course. The black box would sense when people leave high sec where in low sec or null sec all is fair game. Therefore, you want to blow someone up in high sec, you'd better war dec them first.
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imunchclit
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Posted - 2010.01.06 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: imunch**** on 06/01/2010 05:50:05 Probably the worst alpha strike you need to be prepared to defend against is a Tempest at 10K alpha. Their ROF sucks. They likely cost somewhere around 120mil. Insurance payout is somewhere around 70mil.
A 25K EHP Hulk with T2 Strip Miners and extra cargo cap is entirely feasible.
So to be assured of a kill, the gankers will probably want two of these Tempests.
So the gankers are trading 100mil for a Hulk kill.
I call that close enough to an economic standoff.
In anything approaching an economic standoff, the industrialists win.
edit: and I haven't included the costs of insuring the Tempests, nor the insurance payout to the Hulk.
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Rhealee
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Posted - 2010.01.06 06:12:00 -
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some ppl like ganking carebears in high sec for the lolz at the least. personally i love the hate mail. so dont ***** much in localcause some take it personal, but most of us like the hate mail :) and come on most guys in hulks in empire just sit there and farm it with minimal losses everyyear and this game revolves around pvp wheater you like to pvp or not. so lets keep the good ole economy rolling if you dont wanna die be watchfull or get out of the way ie: dock up, go on vacation. better yet hug those orcas with rr shields running lol dont think i could make it far enough in high sec to gank anyone but soon as you jump into lowsec id love to pop you.
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.01.06 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad The'*****r
Originally by: MotherFarker
Originally by: Tzarus fake edit 2: creating disposable alts with the sole purpose of use them as suicide pilots and delete them once they had negative status is also an exploit.
No its not.
For the other thing, someone has to PROVE you did it on purpose. Some other fail ganker got there first. Prove otherwise.
CCP has log's of every thing that happens literally every thing. All they have to do is consult their logs and viola there is the proof, And recycling alts for suicide ganking is a exploit has been for a very long time. You should read the TOS and EULA be for spewing your crap all over the internet.
"the logs, they show nothing!" everything you say?
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jnb
Black Ash State Services
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Posted - 2010.01.06 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: imunch**** Edited by: imunch**** on 06/01/2010 05:50:05 Probably the worst alpha strike you need to be prepared to defend against is a Tempest at 10K alpha. Their ROF sucks. They likely cost somewhere around 120mil. Insurance payout is somewhere around 70mil.
A 25K EHP Hulk with T2 Strip Miners and extra cargo cap is entirely feasible.
So to be assured of a kill, the gankers will probably want two of these Tempests.
So the gankers are trading 100mil for a Hulk kill.
I call that close enough to an economic standoff.
In anything approaching an economic standoff, the industrialists win.
edit: and I haven't included the costs of insuring the Tempests, nor the insurance payout to the Hulk.
^^ This could hardly be more wrong.
Re-run your numbers after you read (eg) this or this.
Many ships are actually profitable to suicide gank / self-destruct etc, even after platinum insurance and modules are taken into account. Add in what the Hulk drops and the salvage from all the wrecks, and a sensible suicide ganker is generally profiting (ISK-wise) from your (and their) mutual destruction. The only downside to the gankers is sec status.
You might wonder with disbelief why it's actually profitable to buy a ship, platinum insure it - and then self destruct or suicide it. This is because the cost of the mineral components to build the ship are less than the insurance payout. And who do we "blame" for the price of mineral components being so low?
/me ponders ---------------------------------------------- Hulk Combat - When Carebears Attack! |
Jessica Lanson
Port Hercules
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Posted - 2010.01.06 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 06/01/2010 11:52:01
I made a guide for surviving
hulkageddon survival guide
Originally by: Mahts So let me get this straight, it's not an exploit for them to use alts to gank hulks in high sec (I doubt they want to take the rep hit on a main)
A lot of them are already -10 and can't lose sec status.
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Giles Corey
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Posted - 2010.01.06 11:54:00 -
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anyone who uses this exploit will get a visit from my shiny alpha tempest. youll be dead in one shot, i will go out of my way to make sure you die for being am exploit tard, i hope everyone does the same
where is your concord now?
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.06 13:17:00 -
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Anybody who has their hulk ganked should petition it incase there are disposable alts involved. CCP have logs and can easily tell if the person doing the ganking is using a disposable alt (which is an exploit too) |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:02:00 -
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just like the last few threads on this, that have ALREADY been moderated, pre-spawning concord is an exploit.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson just like the last few threads on this, that have ALREADY been moderated, pre-spawning concord is an exploit.
Proof or stfu!
Besides, if I go blowing up cans in the belts with mah pirate alt that's not pre-spawning concord....
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: Helicity Boson just like the last few threads on this, that have ALREADY been moderated, pre-spawning concord is an exploit.
Proof or stfu!
Besides, if I go blowing up cans in the belts with mah pirate alt that's not pre-spawning concord....
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1244274
would you like some mustard with your hat?
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.06 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson Edited by: Helicity Boson on 06/01/2010 15:26:36
Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: Helicity Boson just like the last few threads on this, that have ALREADY been moderated, pre-spawning concord is an exploit.
Proof or stfu!
Besides, if I go blowing up cans in the belts with mah pirate alt that's not pre-spawning concord....
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1244274
-edit: also here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1244373
would you like some mustard with your hat?
That's all about recycling alts, nobody can stop you from going to a belt and shooting stuff there with an alt.
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