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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2010.01.09 08:12:00 -
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Care to make any guesses on which ones? I'll give you a hint. It's not the ones we currently have in game. Lots of people have been asking for them. Still having problems figuring it out? The 3 missing drone types are:
We had ice for roids for atleast 2.5 to 3 years now and we still don't have any Ice Mining Drones -- Might be a little tough to Pull off due to the size of the mined ice and the hold. However a 10% increase in the hold size of the cargo bay might compensate for having them.
Hull Repair drones --- We got armor repair and shield repair, It would be nice to have one's that could put out the bar b que's that some of us have on the back of our ships after a good fight. Not to mention I like having a complete set.
Salvage / loot drones ---- So we can go after the salvage and loot because we cant get there for what ever reason to get it manulally.
I think all these could be put to good use.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2010.01.09 08:52:00 -
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ice is 1k cubit per ice... how again would you make this work ;) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2010.01.09 09:14:00 -
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In the case of ice drones there is only one way you can make it work. The drones would be huge due to what they would be used for. The mackinaw would have to be lengthend to accomodate the larger drone and the hold would need to be increased as well to make having the drones worthwhile. I say a 10 to 20% increase in the hold at minimum. so that the ship can hold say 20 maybe 30 units. with the drone bay holding 4 or 5 ice drones.
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Empire Dweller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.01.09 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Empire Dweller on 09/01/2010 09:43:12
Originally by: Mr Cleann In the case of ice drones there is only one way you can make it work. The drones would be huge due to what they would be used for. The mackinaw would have to be lengthend to accomodate the larger drone and the hold would need to be increased as well to make having the drones worthwhile. I say a 10 to 20% increase in the hold at minimum. so that the ship can hold say 20 maybe 30 units. with the drone bay holding 4 or 5 ice drones.
Wait- you think the mack should hold 20 or 30 units of ice? And you think this would be only a 10-20% increase? Just out of curiosity how large do you think the standard mack cargo hold is now- and what do you think is the theoretical max with mods and whatnot?
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DrDooma
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Posted - 2010.01.09 10:07:00 -
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Possible solution to cargo hold ęproblemĘ:
After X amount of trips that drones make you will get 1 unit of ice?
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Slimy Chicky
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Posted - 2010.01.09 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Slimy Chicky on 09/01/2010 11:16:14
Ice mining Drones: These drones should ad 5% mining speed to one default Ice mining laser.
Each Ice mining drone ads 5% mining speed to one of the fitted lasers.
Ice mining Drone: Bonus = +5% mining speed Size = 15m3
That way you can fit 3 * 15m3 ( Ice Drone ) = 45m3 + 1 * 5m3 ( Light Scout ) = 50m3 on a Exhummer.
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2010.01.09 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Empire Dweller Edited by: Empire Dweller on 09/01/2010 09:43:12
Originally by: Mr Cleann In the case of ice drones there is only one way you can make it work. The drones would be huge due to what they would be used for. The mackinaw would have to be lengthend to accomodate the larger drone and the hold would need to be increased as well to make having the drones worthwhile. I say a 10 to 20% increase in the hold at minimum. so that the ship can hold say 20 maybe 30 units. with the drone bay holding 4 or 5 ice drones.
Wait- you think the mack should hold 20 or 30 units of ice? And you think this would be only a 10-20% increase? Just out of curiosity how large do you think the standard mack cargo hold is now- and what do you think is the theoretical max with mods and whatnot?
----- Never once did I say my math was on par with the figures. Fact is me and math are very old enemies. especially when Im tired lol. I only really pointed out that in order to make the mice drones feasible the ship would have to go thru a refit that would lengthen the ship to hold the drones but to hold more ice so that the drones would be worth having. or perhapse make the ice drones solely for the industrial mining ships like the orca and that one with the wierd name.
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Thera Romana
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Posted - 2010.01.09 13:09:00 -
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right now mining drones only come in a small version, I would recommend you do this for mining drones.
Small(current)is for mineral mining I would speed them up though
Mediums would be for gas mining.
Larges would be for ice mining, slower moving but could hold a unit of ice.
adjust the drone bays on mining barges accordingly.
on the salvage/loot drones I would actually go with 3 types of drones
small would be tractor drones, these would go out and draw wrecks in closer to your ship. Mediums would be just for salvaging larges would be for collecting loot
one problem with loot drones is they would almost have to work like miners some ships have tons and tons of loot, so would have to be multiple trips.
Hull repair drones would just be done like the other current logistics drones. Kinda wondered why we haven't had these.
another version of the loot drone that I believe might be cool would be an ORE version that would go and empty miners ore holds(yes, i believe all ships should have ore holds in some size)
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Creche
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.09 14:45:00 -
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A big vote for salvage drones
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Xodd Hil
Gallente Nefantar Tribe Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.09 18:52:00 -
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+1 for all kinds :) 60day ETC |
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2010.01.12 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Thera Romana right now mining drones only come in a small version, I would recommend you do this for mining drones.
Small(current)is for mineral mining I would speed them up though
Mediums would be for gas mining.
Larges would be for ice mining, slower moving but could hold a unit of ice.
adjust the drone bays on mining barges accordingly.
on the salvage/loot drones I would actually go with 3 types of drones
small would be tractor drones, these would go out and draw wrecks in closer to your ship. Mediums would be just for salvaging larges would be for collecting loot
one problem with loot drones is they would almost have to work like miners some ships have tons and tons of loot, so would have to be multiple trips.
Hull repair drones would just be done like the other current logistics drones. Kinda wondered why we haven't had these.
another version of the loot drone that I believe might be cool would be an ORE version that would go and empty miners ore holds(yes, i believe all ships should have ore holds in some size)
Good Idea on the other drones ad their sub categories. the ore gathering drones cna work in conjunction to either ore holds or jet cans. they could be used to ferry the ore from the miners to the orca or that other industrial miner with the wierd name.
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Rupicolous
Gallente Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.01.14 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rupicolous on 14/01/2010 22:44:42
The Mackinaw is ideally suited for ICE harvesting so it only makes sense to allow it and only that particular exhumer to use ICE drones.
The drones need to be Heavy in size and the drone bay and bandwidth would obviously need to be augmented to fit and use 5 simultaneously.
The duration of the drones in orbit needs to be very long to accomodate for the very large amount of m3 involved with one unit per cycle.
Perhaps something on the order of - 1 unit per drone every 1/2 hr - could be a feasible bonus for skilling them up and using them in the field.
So ........ not a huge amount of additional ice but just enough to make them worth while in the long run.
Gas drones would become the Small variety and only used on the Skiff while Ore drones would change to Medium and used exclusivly on the Hulk.
I also believe salvage drones would be a great addition to the game.
All sizes could be implemented with the larger sizes and higher skill levels progressivly allowing a faster cycle time on the wreck targeted.
Placing Hull Repair Drones in line with the current Shield and Armor varieties is a great idea that would seem to go without question.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.01.14 23:50:00 -
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"Large" ice mining drones could carry 1 block of ice, but not into the drone bay. The drone itself is 25m3, but not the block it's tugging through space. It's not like the ice needs to fit inside the drone. There's no (or little) gravity and no friction. Even the smallest drone could eventually overcome the inertia and tug a block of ice back to the ship. |
Erika Bronz
Gallente The Wyld Hunt Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.01.15 00:30:00 -
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T2 e-war drones are missing. The sensor dampener and tracking disruptor drones should have a version for each script available, so count them as missing too. Wouldn't hurt to boost them a bit either. Looking at the light T1 sensor damp drone... why is this even ingame? This one don't make a difference in any situation.
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d3vo
Isotope Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.15 04:00:00 -
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Drones cannot salvage and loot because they have no cargo bay. A more reasonable approach, if drones can bring wrecks/cans to your ship, that would be an awesome feature. The larger the wreck/can, the slower it pulls for one drone. The more drones pulling on a wreck/can, the faster they will pull. Also the size of the drone can affect the pulling strength and speed.
For example: A single heavy drone can pull a large wreck/can at its maximum velocity. Anything smaller will not increase its pulling strength/speed. Also, multiple heavy drones on a single wreck/can would be redundant. However, a single heavy drone would be not be able to pull a capital ship wreck or jettison can at full speed due to its size. So multiple heavy drones can work together to pull at their maximum speed. Same applies for medium and light drones.
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Rupicolous
Gallente Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.01.15 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rupicolous on 15/01/2010 09:08:19
Originally by: d3vo Drones cannot salvage and loot because they have no cargo bay. Quote:
This sounds a bit odd because now i'm wondering how mining drones get the ore back to our ships ???
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captain skinback
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Posted - 2010.01.15 09:32:00 -
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i would like just expand on the thread a little, some of the electronic warfare drones are seriously underpowerd. tp drones, web drones, tracking disruptor drones and sensor damp drones are never used because they are simply not effective enough. if they were boosted i image it would change pvp for the better adding a good amount of verity in the done bay.
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Sedilis
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.01.15 09:44:00 -
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+1 for all types and can we have gas drones as well?
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome "Large" ice mining drones could carry 1 block of ice, but not into the drone bay. The drone itself is 25m3, but not the block it's tugging through space. It's not like the ice needs to fit inside the drone. There's no (or little) gravity and no friction. Even the smallest drone could eventually overcome the inertia and tug a block of ice back to the ship.
This would give a rp reason for allowing them to tug back 1 unit of ice - They'd have to mine for a very long time to get 1 unit though. Maybe too long? Also not sure it the code will allow the drones to 'tug' ice. It might be that they have to go into a mini cargo hold like with mining drones
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.01.15 13:37:00 -
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Being able to salvage comes at the cost of fitting a Salvager/Tractor to your ship. This is the big ballancing act for the minmaxers who want to maximise their missions per hour, but also get their salvage.
I would think that if there was to be Salvage drones, they would have to cause some serious drawbacks to a missioning ship setup.
Please note: I'm not a ninja salvager, I just enjoy the variation/conflict that the current situation brings to the game.
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.01.15 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru I would think that if there was to be Salvage drones, they would have to cause some serious drawbacks to a missioning ship setup.
What like... perhaps the smaller dps output of the mission ship if they were to use "Salvage drones". It would be balancing on running the mission faster using combat drones or saving time on the salvage run.
Not only would this be beneficial for mission runners but it would be beneficial for the majority of people in possibly reducing rig prices. I ignore the majority of my mission wrecks and just start the next mission without looting/salvage. Rigs aren't that expensive so it isnt much of a problem for a player over a few months. If I was able to sacrifice dps to increase salvage output I would gladly on some missions.
Salvage prices have more than halfed since Apoc's Rig sizes so why not possibly push the prices down even more? I know its a player run market but I have also noticed a signficant drop in drop rates for certain salvage types which I haven't found on the patch notes. Nevermind....
To add to restrictions on these theoretical "salvage drones" You could always just give them a greatly reduced operation range, perhaps like Ewar drones and also have it so that Drone aug links don't effect their operating distance.
Finally, Drone Salvaging skill has been out for a long time as far as I am aware of and quite a few people have even trained it to level 5 due to the fact they had nothing else to train. However Salvage drones were never implemented and the skill had no use. As far as I know all the books have been used up.
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2010.01.16 01:40:00 -
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I think it would also be cool if we can put what ever drone we want in the same "grouping folder" on the ships. So as to be more effective with attacks. Roght now we can only launch one goup type at a time such as 5 attack drones, or 5 ew drones. etc. Why not allow us to put a little of each in the same folder. so we can launch say 3 attack drones, 1 ew drone and 1 web or scramble drone. at the push of one button.
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Slimy Worm
Vivicide Vivisection.
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Posted - 2010.01.16 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Cleann Care to make any guesses on which ones? I'll give you a hint. It's not the ones we currently have in game. Lots of people have been asking for them. Still having problems figuring it out? The 3 missing drone types are:
We had ice for roids for atleast 2.5 to 3 years now and we still don't have any Ice Mining Drones -- Might be a little tough to Pull off due to the size of the mined ice and the hold. However a 10% increase in the hold size of the cargo bay might compensate for having them.
Hull Repair drones --- We got armor repair and shield repair, It would be nice to have one's that could put out the bar b que's that some of us have on the back of our ships after a good fight. Not to mention I like having a complete set.
Salvage / loot drones ---- So we can go after the salvage and loot because we cant get there for what ever reason to get it manulally.
I think all these could be put to good use.
Ice mining drones make sense.
Salvage drones ruin the salvage profession.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.01.16 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/01/2010 03:33:26
Originally by: Slimy Worm
Salvage drones ruin the salvage profession.
Profession? You're joking right?
Either you mean Ninja looters receive less salvage or you think people solely salvage and nothing else? I'm pretty sure the majority of people with salvage skills who are older than a week actually have a main profession of Pure PvP or Mission running.
It wouldn't "Ruin" the profession even if it was implemented due to the fact the person salvaging would be the owner of the wreck most likely. If anything it would only decrease ninja salvager output. I assume this is what you mean?
Ice mining drones really don't make any sense at all...
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Diabolyc
Amarr Bunny Mafia
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Posted - 2010.01.16 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Mastiff Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/01/2010 03:33:26
Originally by: Slimy Worm
Salvage drones ruin the salvage profession.
Profession? You're joking right?
i think no
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Silver Tongues
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Posted - 2010.01.16 05:17:00 -
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Salvage Drones are a no-go as explained in the 2008 Fanfest videos (one of the CCP Forum videos). Basically the problem is that if the Drone's owner has a full cargo hold, the salvage disappears because of the programming and CCP doesn't see a way of fixing this without causing more problems with other things.
Instead of a new repair drone I'd like the ability to use repair drones on ourselves, but I guess that could be a bit OP for ships with dronebay's as opposed to those that don't.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.01.16 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Tongues Salvage Drones are a no-go as explained in the 2008 Fanfest videos (one of the CCP Forum videos). Basically the problem is that if the Drone's owner has a full cargo hold, the salvage disappears because of the programming and CCP doesn't see a way of fixing this without causing more problems with other things.
Lol, lap it up! That sounds about as sensible as the arguments given for refusing the skill queue all those years back. :P
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d3vo
Isotope Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.16 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rupicolous
Originally by: d3vo Drones cannot salvage and loot because they have no cargo bay.
This sounds a bit odd, because now i'm wondering how mining drones get the ore back to our ships ???
It would seem drones actually do have a cargo bay. In fact for reasons no one ever considered before, all varieties and sizes have a 1200 m3 capacity.
Therefore I would assume they perform some kind of compression before bringing it back to the ship, considering their size alone is much less than their capacity.
Oh, I forgot about that...I don't mine.
But the idea of a tractor-beam drone is still awesome.
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Archeas
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Posted - 2010.01.16 06:35:00 -
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I agree with the salvage drone idea, that would be useful. However, when it comes to the other 2 ideas, I don't agree with them. Ice is too large for drones to carry, and if they needed to be huge then they would not fit in the drone bay. Hull logistics drones don't make sense either since it's not practical. You use logistics drones out in battle when it's really needed; if you're hull repping, it's usually at a safe location after you've warped away. If you're taking damage to structure in battle, it's too late and there's nothing hull rep drones are going to do to save you - they would just take up unnecessary space in your drone bay.
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Chris2746
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.16 07:32:00 -
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More than the other types of drones, i'd like to see an energy boosting drone. we have energy vampires, so a logical extension would be for energy transfer drones, seeing as we have shield and armor rep drones, energy is equally important in a combat engagement. ------------------------------------------------ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made alot of people very angry and been widely reguarded as a bad move. |
Rupicolous
Gallente Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.01.17 02:11:00 -
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Energy Transfer drones - good idea also !!!
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