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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.14 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zill on 14/01/2010 10:24:07
Edited by: Zill on 14/01/2010 10:21:02
Ya know I was gonna ignore all this crap, as peoples opinions of me usually are of no consequence to me. But you lads do understand that I mine as part of a MINING OP! ?... with 6 hulks,plus Minders tanking is really not a huge issue, it is just in case I happen to get attention of a spawned rat, nothing more. Most rats are ead long before they pay attention to any of us. I get you all like to be seen as experts, I really do,but I sadly there are other people out there play this game very differently to you. I don't even tank a hulk in highsec because I don't need to.I only mine when my agents are on a 4 hour lock because of racial missions.
I treat highsec same as I treat 4C-B7X (think that's right way round)or 4B or even 9UY.
Zero jumps, safe spots, BM's to come down on gates from the roof in case of camps etc etc etc.... every system I go into has at minimum 6 BM's. Now after spending hours talking to people here as adults, I can see I was wasting my time looking for an intelligent discussion. good luck to yas an have fun with EvE. I'm off to play.
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Stalina
Gallente
Deep Space Exploration Squad
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.01.14 11:52:00 -
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U mad cause they has takens your hulk 
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Swalesey
Prosperity Through Violence
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Posted - 2010.01.14 13:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Zill
Edited by: Zill on 14/01/2010 10:24:07
Edited by: Zill on 14/01/2010 10:21:02
Ya know I was gonna ignore all this crap, as peoples opinions of me usually are of no consequence to me. But you lads do understand that I mine as part of a MINING OP! ?... with 6 hulks,plus Minders tanking is really not a huge issue, it is just in case I happen to get attention of a spawned rat, nothing more. Most rats are ead long before they pay attention to any of us. I get you all like to be seen as experts, I really do,but I sadly there are other people out there play this game very differently to you. I don't even tank a hulk in highsec because I don't need to.I only mine when my agents are on a 4 hour lock because of racial missions.
I treat highsec same as I treat 4C-B7X (think that's right way round)or 4B or even 9UY.
Zero jumps, safe spots, BM's to come down on gates from the roof in case of camps etc etc etc.... every system I go into has at minimum 6 BM's. Now after spending hours talking to people here as adults, I can see I was wasting my time looking for an intelligent discussion. good luck to yas an have fun with EvE. I'm off to play.
you posted expensive hulk to look uber, then claim you don't even need a tank. why not just stick a small shield booster on for rats then if they get insta popped?
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Joanne Black
Gallente
Pods of Destiny
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Posted - 2010.01.15 00:22:00 -
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wow so make a thread to stop the whining about ganking an the so called insurance fraud then 2 guys make each other horney then 1 of em crys about how hes so uber an has indestructible hulk
so what did we find out
1)the people selling the mins and building the ships take no responsibility for the prices being below insurance value
2)some people cry alot
3)some guy in providence cant fit his ships
4)its still all your own fault
5)well i cant think of 1 but im sure there is
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.15 01:03:00 -
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How about,
5) OP has a basic understanding of economics, yet fails hard at the English language.
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Danks
Caldari
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.15 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zill
in prov, where do you mine? Quote:
Neat, you can mine with joseph and hatch a master plan to carebearify the universe
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Joanne Black
Gallente
Pods of Destiny
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Posted - 2010.01.15 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
How about,
5) OP has a basic understanding of economics, yet fails hard at the English language.
how many languages do you speak?
i just think you're mad.....are you mad?
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.15 06:12:00 -
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To many minerals on market (reprocessing mission loot & roids) driving prices down which makes insurance fraud profitable.
It means that high sec mining is too easy and profitable. Need to drop spawn rate of asteroids or drop composition of minerals in the Ore in high sec. Make it that if you want to make good profit you have to go to low sec.
It is not right that the most valuable ores in Empire can be mined in high sec. Low sec ores should have highest value.
Keep popping those Hulks anyway, gankers and miners have to buy more ships!!
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.01.15 07:18:00 -
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I always get a good laugh out of threads where miners whine because of suicide ganking and how insurance is bad and whatnot, because miners and industrialists tend not to realize that nerfing insurance would completely ruin them.
To all miners and industrialists out there:
The 3 isk per trit, 5 per pyerite etc that you currently get is worth what it is because the people ganking you know that the insurance payouts ensure that there is a minimum cost a ship can be sold for, below which it simply becomes more profitable to blow the damn thing up.
This affects builders as well, because a 5% profit margin on a ship that costs 75mil because of insurance beats the hell out of a 5% profit margin from a 20mil ship.
As for this whole wave of complaining because of hulkageddon, I think most of eve's players will remain unimpressed until we see percentages of people who fly hulks getting killed.
That is all.
Wait, no it isn't.
Originally by: "Joanne Black"
Suicide ganking i think lets face it incorrectly named never once have i seen concord pod anyone FACT ! So lets call it infact what is cearbear ganking
The term most likely refers to the fact that in eve, death is a ship-related thing. If you "die" in a fleet fight, your ship exploded. If your pod also explodes, you didn't "die", you "got podded", or "died and got podded". When someone talks about kills they got on a pvp op, they're pretty much always referring to ships, not pods. In eve, the act of turning someone into a coarpse, or the act of being turned into one yourself, isn't called dying, it's called being podded, and since death in eve refers to the ships, and not the pod, the name suicide ganking fits, as you lose your ship in the process. |
Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.15 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Joanne Black
how many languages do you speak?
i just think you're mad.....are you mad?
The answer to that is: one more than you.
And no, not mad. Thanks for asking!
Just trying to be helpful with your incomplete list.
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.15 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
It is not right that the most valuable ores in Empire can be mined in high sec. Low sec ores should have highest value.
Actually, you can mine only 3-4 ores of any value in hisec (Veld, Scord, Plagio, Pyro and Omber afaik, and they are not that profitable - certainly losec/nullsec are better). And the losec/nullsec ores ARE those with the highest value (Arkonor, Mercoxite...).
The point is, the current risk in losec matches the nullsec/WH mostly, so why should one risk as much without the same rewards?
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2010.01.18 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Well, first thing:
Is the Hulk really the 'best' ship for mining?
Well, it can certainly mine the fastest. But that does not mean it is the best. Why? Because it is T2 - by definition, expensive and uninsurable. You pay a premium and risk a lot of capital for that extra 10-15% ore/hr.
30% would be a more accurate estimate. You CAN'T fit 2 MLUs to a coveter and use Strip IIs even with max skills. That is BEFORE factoring in the cargo hold being half the size, causing you to have to make twice as many trips for the same amount of mining yeild - I'd estimate the ACTUAL throughput of a Coveter vs. a high-skilled Hulk pilot at more like a 40% loss.
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Second - the REAL reason miners have to work long hours for pitiful rewards....IS OTHER MINERS. Also, Mission Runners, and especially Macro-miners.
I'll PARTLY agree with that. The primary "competiton" is from the Macro/ISK Farmer MISSIONERS, they generate more minerals an hour than macro MINERS do, and there seem to be at least as many of them based on conversations in MacroIntel.
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The real solution is painful - without more demand you must have LESS FISHERMEN.
The REAL solution would be for CCP to crack down on macroers. I've lost track of how many I have petitioned only to have CCP send me their canned responce then DO NOTHING about the petitioned OBVIOUS MACRO MINER - who is still macroing MONTHS later.
Only painfull to CCP to cure the ROOT of the problem.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
I always get a good laugh out of threads where miners whine because of suicide ganking and how insurance is bad and whatnot, because miners and industrialists tend not to realize that nerfing insurance would completely ruin them.
Nobody is suggesting eleminate insurance completely. We are suggesting that it is both logical and sensible within the GAME mechanics that anyone that dies to Concord does not get PAID for "breaking the law" and getting caught at it.
This does NOT affect the "insurance fraud" floor on mineral prices at all - you can still self-destruct a ship for insurance fraud after all.
It also gives a little BITE to having low security status, but that would be a minor effect - the ability to ignore Security Status if you're flying a capsule or newbie ship is the MAIN reason security status is a pathetic sad JOKE of a so-called "penalty".
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gobo
FREE AT LAST ! FREE AT LAST! THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE'RE FREE AT LAST!!!!!
You aren't even minimitar!
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.22 13:30:00 -
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You know what would be awesome?
A special 'gankers' insurance: You get Concorded? - it pays out DOUBLE. 
High sec would suddenly be an awesome place, like the 4th of July.
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Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.22 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
You know what would be awesome?
A special 'gankers' insurance: You get Concorded? - it pays out DOUBLE.
High sec would suddenly be an awesome place, like the 4th of July.
This.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.22 14:39:00 -
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Yeah, I think undocking should be an adventure in hisec as well as 0.0.
Double insurance for gankers would make every routine flight a ride to remember.
My only concern would be the serverload of having Concord spawns literally everywhere 
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Kirsi Kirjasto
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Posted - 2010.01.22 16:04:00 -
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Uh. No.
That would be completely stupid. We might as well all start suicide ganking each other for profit then.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.22 17:23:00 -
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But that would be a good thing.
Just think - gangs of marauding BS's popping everything in sight.
Freighters afraid to undock as they'd get pwned just for the insurance payment.
People just getting sick of someone smaking in local - so they gank them.
Eve would be an entertaining place.
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Thelma Todd
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Posted - 2010.01.22 17:45:00 -
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Kudos to the windup merchant ^
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