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80s Guy
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Posted - 2010.01.12 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: 80s Guy on 12/01/2010 17:56:59 Just curious what people think it a good amount, I was thinking 1-2 bil which may be possible as I will be able to do level 4 missions soon. However, I'm really want to join a 0.0 corp and get in on some combat engagements and learn some pvp. Should I just wait or start looking for a corp that will suit my needs and take the plunge?
I just don't want to get out there with no money and really no idea what I'm doing lose a bunch of ships as a pvp noob and have almost no isk to my name.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 12/01/2010 18:01:30 I went out back in 08 to IAC out near curse, catch, providence..somewhere near there. I had about oh....5-6mil sp and enough money to afford 2 fullyfitted drakes. You can rat and make money in relative safety and yeah, youll lose ships in pvp but its not the end of the world. Get out there and go.
EDIT: dont go alone, find a 0.0 corp to take you in first, I didnt just fly out there solo.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:06:00 -
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Enough to replace that warp disruptor on your Velator. --------
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:09:00 -
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If you're just the type of guy who's going to be ratting to fund pvp, you want to be able to buy 1 battleship to rat with.
Then use that to fill up your wallet for pvp ships and make it an unbreakable rule that you never pvp in your ratting bs, and make sure you're good at spotting folk in local so you can run to a safe. ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:13:00 -
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It's more important to have a method of making isk than raw isk itself - 1-2 bil can go quick, but if you can generate enough to keep yourself in PVP ships the isk going quick won't hurt as much.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:18:00 -
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 12/01/2010 18:24:04
Originally by: 80s Guy Should I ... start looking for a corp that will suit my needs and take the plunge?
Yes! Yes, yes, yes!
Don't worry about money or your character's skillpoints. You can fight in a tech 1 fitted Rifter with just enough skills to be able to fit a mwd, warpdisruptor and some guns - if need be. That's the best way to learn and get over the newbie's aversion to risk. The rest will come in time. Don't worry about it. Staying in empire will just turn you into a risk averse carebear who has no idea what rest of the game is about. |
Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:34:00 -
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5000 ISK
Seriously, if you want to, you can go straight to 0.0 and be part of it immediately. ---
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:39:00 -
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50-100M in cash, plus a ratting ship should be fine.
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Space Penguin
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:39:00 -
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I went to nullsec when I was about two days old and almost no cash to speak of.
Cheap Tech I frigs with tackler fits was about all I could do for quite some time but it was still hella fun.
Like others have said though join a nullsec corp first, don't just fly into nullsec because the locals will attack you on sight.
Also read some about the different Alliances in nullsec. For some people theres a moral choice at play over who you regard the good and bad guys to be and remember ... a goonswarm stain is impossible to get out !! The Daily FIX
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80s Guy
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Posted - 2010.01.12 19:22:00 -
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Thanks for the advice all, I have about 250 mil right now. I'll put together a ratting ship and start looking through recruitment forums.
Originally by: Space Penguin
Also read some about the different Alliances in nullsec. For some people theres a moral choice at play over who you regard the good and bad guys to be and remember ... a goonswarm stain is impossible to get out !!
I've heard about bad things about Goonswarm already and sure enough they are the same goons that wreaked havoc on the CoH server I started on. I know something about most of the major ones but yeah I need to research further and steer clear of Goonswarm & pals.
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Malen Nenokal
The Nightshift
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Posted - 2010.01.12 19:28:00 -
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I started living solo in nullsec after making my first 50mil. I made quite a bit of isk for a noob while I was there and got into some interesting fights as some friends slowly joined me.
Takes some risks, have some fun.
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80s Guy
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Posted - 2010.01.12 19:33:00 -
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Quick question, ratting is just killing pirate NPC in astroroid belts right? Does that really make you a lot of cash? In my experience the isk sucks, what other ways are there to make cash in 0.0?
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.12 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: 80s Guy Edited by: 80s Guy on 12/01/2010 17:56:59 Just curious what people think it a good amount, I was thinking 1-2 bil which may be possible as I will be able to do level 4 missions soon. However, I'm really want to join a 0.0 corp and get in on some combat engagements and learn some pvp. Should I just wait or start looking for a corp that will suit my needs and take the plunge?
I just don't want to get out there with no money and really no idea what I'm doing lose a bunch of ships as a pvp noob and have almost no isk to my name.
When I first went to 0.0, I had ~2-3M ISK and a T1/meta 2-3 fit Vexor. When I left 0.0 a few months later, I was in a hauler with several billion worth of loot. I got killed and podded by a blue gatecamp - but still had a couple hundred mil in the old wallet. ****ers.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.01.12 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: 80s Guy Quick question, ratting is just killing pirate NPC in astroroid belts right? Does that really make you a lot of cash? In my experience the isk sucks, what other ways are there to make cash in 0.0?
That's because your experience is not from 0.0.
0.0 ratting > low sec ratting > high sec ratting
It's a huge difference.
Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: 80s Guy Quick question, ratting is just killing pirate NPC in astroroid belts right? Does that really make you a lot of cash? In my experience the isk sucks, what other ways are there to make cash in 0.0?
In 0.0, the npc belt rats are usually battleships, sometimes a few in each belt, and you can make quite a bit.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:06:00 -
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Hmm....
I remember WLAR ratting
usually 1-2 battleships per belt, each worth anywhere from 1-2mil isk bounty each. WLAR had like 9 or 10 belts. I was often alone.
do mafs.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Space Penguin I went to nullsec when I was about two days old and almost no cash to speak of.
Cheap Tech I frigs with tackler fits was about all I could do for quite some time but it was still hella fun.
I envy you for your lack of ISK-greed and your sense of adventure. And I'm 100%ly not kidding, even though I don't know how to put my sarcasm face off. :/
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Alexandra Stormwing
Blood Money Bootcamp
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:11:00 -
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When I first went to null-sec, I had about 500k SP, a few million isk, and a medium shield buffer Kestrel full with rockets. I was in an NPC corp with zero allies, and ran missions for the Angel Cartel for quite a while. I made some decent money for an Eve newbie. Good times, fond memories, I even remember attempting to "pre-pay" ransoms to some of the locals... They thought I was totally crazy (I was, and still am!) and shot me anyways. : >
If you are looking to get into PvP, then you don't need that much at all. You really don't - depending on what you want to do. If you can find a group down there that will be happy to have someone learn in T1 frigs and cruisers, then even 50 million isk will last you a LONG time - plus you have the added benefit of juicy, high-bounty rats to shoot when necessary.
When learning, fly cheap. If you start learning with 200 million isk ships, you're going to become very poor, very quickly.
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Suboran
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Suboran on 12/01/2010 20:59:32 went to 0.0 for the first time in early 2007, 4mil skillpoints a poorly fitted Megathron(wcs ftl) and 30mil in wallet.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 12/01/2010 21:02:58
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When learning, fly cheap. If you start learning with 200 million isk ships, you're going to become very poor, very quickly.
This is not bad advice. But, it's not good advice either. Learn in whatever you're comfortable in. For me, that's battlecruisers. I like their flexibility and the plethora of targets they can tackle in a solo or gang situation. You will of course lose a lot of ships in the beginning so be prepared to pay for your loses. You don't want a pvp ship that took you two weeks of grinding in order to pay for it. Chances are you'll lose it your first outing. I just started pvping. I've lost 2 BC's so far but I'm starting to hold my own in solo pvp situations. It's those "Oh ****, I just jumped into a fleet!" situations where you're certain to lose your ship.
As for the amount of isk, you can put away a lot. But you'll always run out. So, the best advice I can give is to develop some isk generation skills be it missioning, pirating, manufacturing, trading, researching, mining whatever is your cup of tea.
If you want to live in 0.0 then I would suggest getting a hi.sec alt for isk generation. Sure, you can jump clone but assuming your sec.status is still good you'll still be required to look out for war targets constantly. If I were going to live in 0.0 I'd get an alt to fund my activities.
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GrumpyBear
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Stormwing
When learning, fly cheap. If you start learning with 200 million isk ships, you're going to become very poor, very quickly.
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Space Penguin
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:24:00 -
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Nullsec standard Battleship rats range from 500k - 1.85m in bounty prize plus you can also take into account loot and salvage which can easy double the value of each rat and you can get lucky and get meta 4 stuff which can be worth a whole lot more.
Plus there's also faction spawns, hauler spawns and officer spawns which can be worth huge amounts.
You can make quite a good living from ratting and you can fairly easily replace a lost tech II fitted BC in just a couple of hours if the spawns are decent. The Daily FIX
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David Grogan
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.01.12 22:29:00 -
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we have a noob corp member that moved to 0.0 when his toon was a week old and in his 2 months playing he is already ratting in a tier 3 battleship and has made over 500mil isk. and enjoys using his punisher frigate to tackle in pvp. i say fair play to him for not carebearing it in highsec.
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Baljos Arnjak
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Posted - 2010.01.12 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 12/01/2010 21:02:58
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When learning, fly cheap. If you start learning with 200 million isk ships, you're going to become very poor, very quickly.
This is not bad advice. But, it's not good advice either. Learn in whatever you're comfortable in. For me, that's battlecruisers. I like their flexibility and the plethora of targets they can tackle in a solo or gang situation. You will of course lose a lot of ships in the beginning so be prepared to pay for your loses. You don't want a pvp ship that took you two weeks of grinding in order to pay for it. Chances are you'll lose it your first outing. I just started pvping. I've lost 2 BC's so far but I'm starting to hold my own in solo pvp situations. It's those "Oh ****, I just jumped into a fleet!" situations where you're certain to lose your ship.
As for the amount of isk, you can put away a lot. But you'll always run out. So, the best advice I can give is to develop some isk generation skills be it missioning, pirating, manufacturing, trading, researching, mining whatever is your cup of tea.
If you want to live in 0.0 then I would suggest getting a hi.sec alt for isk generation. Sure, you can jump clone but assuming your sec.status is still good you'll still be required to look out for war targets constantly. If I were going to live in 0.0 I'd get an alt to fund my activities.
I'll second this. You don't want to get camped into station with no money and nothing usefull to fly. It's always a good idea to have multiple ways to make money. On the other hand, you do need to take into account insurance. You can lose a decently fit BS and only be out 10-15mil if you platinum insure it.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.01.12 23:32:00 -
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wrong question. The proper question is how many ships, and which kind do I need before I go to 0.0 and start a pvp campaign. The answer is always different in every corp/alliance.
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Dalieus Dakarn
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.01.13 00:05:00 -
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Adding to already great advice...
You don't need A LOT of money to go into 0.0 space. I went there when the most expensive ship I could afford to lose was a cruiser. I joined up with a good corporation that took me down there, showed me the ropes, helped me rat until I could afford a Battleship to rat in, etc.
You don't need ISK to do much of anything in this game. The only thing you really need is a corporation that is willing to help each other out. They are hard to find, when most of EVE is out for themselves, but they ARE out there. Some of those corporations are in Wormhole Space as well, so you might want to look into that as an option as well.
As for PVP, I think a good piece of advice is this: Start small. Learn to fly a frigate/cruiser in combat first before moving into bigger ships. You will lose a lot of ships in the beginning, and replacing expensive ships all the time will drain you out fast. If this is a problem for your corp, find a different one.
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Aversin
Gallente Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.01.13 04:32:00 -
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enough isk to replace you clone
Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Bo Bojangles
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.01.13 05:48:00 -
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I stuffed all I could in the cargo bay of my stabber with a couple of million isk, about the same SP and headed out to BQO-UU. Maybe it was wrong but I didn't care
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.13 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: 80s Guy
I just don't want to get out there with no money and really no idea what I'm doing lose a bunch of ships as a pvp noob and have almost no isk to my name.
you dont need alot of money, you goto 00 to make money
what you need is a bit of combat experience to not freek out by the first sign of an enemy and die
join FW have some fun and some battles there then search for a good 00 Alliance _______________________________________________ Mining Crystal II BPC Pricelist EVEpedia[Deutsch]
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