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Kharanid
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Posted - 2010.01.14 19:27:00 -
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Not looking at the price, which of them would be your preferred solo pvp ship, and why? To me it looks like the Cynabal is slightly better all around, apart from the Vagabonds tracking bonus.
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.01.14 19:37:00 -
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When I tested out the cynabal I found it to be almost identical to the vaga, with the sole exception of being worse with tracking (for obvious reasons) and much, much more agile. The damn thing aligns like a ceptor. Because of this with good piloting you can get around the disadvantage of not having a tracking bonus. Basically, if you're a decent nanoship pilot, the cynabal is better. |
Cyb3r Thr3at
Gallente Proposition Thirteen
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Posted - 2010.01.14 20:27:00 -
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The Vaga doesn't have a tracking bonus.
Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to max velocity per level
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff range and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level.
Not trying to troll or anything just trying to help a little.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.01.14 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at The Vaga doesn't have a tracking bonus.
Just what I wanted to say.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.14 20:48:00 -
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Cynabal > Vage imo. Tho in regards to price not so. :P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at The Vaga doesn't have a tracking bonus.
Just what I wanted to say.
Sorry was thinking of the fleet stabber >_<
Still, the superior agility of the cynabal means it's viable to fit 425s and still be able to hit ceptors. |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:18:00 -
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humm but agility has relatively little to do with that - it's the top speed mostly to get the transversal down and both have that -.- - putting the gist back into logistics |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider humm but agility has relatively little to do with that - it's the top speed mostly to get the transversal down and both have that -.-
Cynabal laso has a 5th mid and 3 rig slots, these do help a lot. And in actual operation of the ship agilitiy is pretty important. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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achoura
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider humm but agility has relatively little to do with that - it's the top speed mostly to get the transversal down and both have that -.-
Umm, agility is what effects your acceleration, align and warp times. The hacs my warp faster, but the reality is in game most of your time warping is spent entering & leaving warp, not to mention being able to hit your top speed quickly. The cynabal has more hp, more speed, more agility, more cap, a larger drone bay, more dps and more looks (optional ).
However, it cost ~60% more than a vaga and despite its increased hp, simply hasn't got the same tank - particularly against amarr. It takes skill, experience and a fair bit of isk for a cynabal to shine but it's not the end all zoom zoom pople like to make it out as, besides to most people you're still a shiny killmail. It's a fantastic ship, but anyone flying one should keep a vaga in reserve, for those times when it simply isn't as useful. ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
Kharanid
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:52:00 -
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I have no idea how i came to think it had a tracking bonus, but ill read the description a bit more carefully next time.
I was also wondering if there are any ships that would be a good training platform while i get the skills to fly one? The Stabber for example will never be able to match the fighting prowess of the Cynabal or Vagabond, but it should still maneuver similarly? My point being that if i can tackle someone, and stay alive in a stabber, I should be able to do the same thing in a Vagabond?
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achoura
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Posted - 2010.01.14 22:12:00 -
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If you're only going out shooting other t1 cruisers/frigs the stabber is a decent enough ship. It's no where near hacs but the big problem people face is getting used to the speed. Essentially anything you can do in a hac can be downscaled. It's more a cliff than gentle curve, but stabbers are cheap
Thje best way to learn is watch someone else who knows what they're doing really. Go watch this, what a vaga can do but so rarely does, great piloting. You'll find cynabal action here. ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.01.14 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider humm but agility has relatively little to do with that - it's the top speed mostly to get the transversal down and both have that -.-
You couldnt be more wrong tbh. Agility is extremely important for the fighting style of both ships, and the fact that it aligns faster than a typical interceptor makes the Cynabal 10 times more effective than the vagabond.
Apart from that, more dps, more range, more dronebay, more buffer. And usually more speed as well, as you can typically afford snakes when you can afford a Cynabal.
Actually pretty much the most overpowered ship in its class at the moment. (Yes I'll say it, a nerf would be in order, just like with the Dramiel)
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achoura
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Posted - 2010.01.14 23:25:00 -
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How so? It's slightly better than the vaga, requires 2 racial cruiers and cost a fair bit more. It's agility is what it's got over the hac.
I find it somewhat irritating that people still see something fast and scream nerf, usually they're also moaning about vagas - but not always. It's only slightly better than a vaga is some cases, largly due to its crappy resists however hat fact remains it only builds on what the vaga is.
It's particularly annoying when they say it's overpowered in it's class, yet conveniently ommit the ships they're comparing it too. Would that be the 900dps, 90% web vigilant? The 400m3, more dps and tank than an ishtar gila? The more, dps more buffer than a zealot phantasm? Or the 300 dps, 90% web, neuting monster of the ashimmu?
Exactly which of those ships is the high-speed ranged killer that the cynabal is overpowered compared too? Last time i checked they were all slightly superior to their t2 counterparts for double the cost, sp and isk included. ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.01.14 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 14/01/2010 23:34:44
Originally by: achoura How so? It's slightly better than the vaga, requires 2 racial cruiers and cost a fair bit more. It's agility is what it's got over the hac.
Sure, being more agile than the HAC is fine, being more agile than an interceptor however...
Lets not forget the vivid debate about 7 months ago about how ships are supposed to be lockable by their own class. It kinda baffles me that the standards that are applied to t1/t2 do not apply to faction.
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Last time i checked they were all slightly superior to their t2 counterparts for double the cost, sp and isk included.
Last time I checked HACs needed more SP in total to max out than faction cruisers, and there is an even bigger gap with interceptors vs faction frigates.
Generally I see a trend towards rewarding wallets more than skill training, which is worrying.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2010.01.14 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kharanid To me it looks like the Cynabal is slightly better all around
If you already know the answer why ask the question?
The Cynabal is the better ship. Whether it's worth the cost difference is up to you.
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