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Isurus Paucus
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Posted - 2010.01.15 15:50:00 -
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I suddenly feel very old. WoW is never my reference point for anything. UO, EQ, SWG maybe, but never WoW. Most of the terms used are way, way older than that.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.15 16:21:00 -
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I'm with Mara.
The portrait at left of these words is an Avatar. A forum avatar if you want to be precise.
My persona within the Eve Online game world is a character.
A char is a fish. To char is a reference to burning something until it is blackened.
Cat o'Ninetails is awesome. At least she gets the fact that it's a game and in the end nothing we do here matters once they turn off the servers.
A toon is either a large tree found in Asia and Austraila, or an character in an animated cartoon.
An animated cartoon is precisely defined as "A motion picture or television film consisting of a photographed series of drawings, objects, or computer graphics that simulates motion by recording very slight, continuous changes in the images, frame by frame."
Since Eve Online does not 'record images' it is not a cartoon.
Can we stop this pointless discussion now?
Also, semantics are almost as much fun (and just as useless) as statistics.
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Yodabunny
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.15 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Actually, "zerg" as a term is short for the full term "zerg rush". In mmos it means to rush to the goal as fast as possible.
I can't be this old...
Zerg is the name of a playable race in the game StarCraft. One of the Zerg's advantages is their ability to spawn large numbers of "zerglings" in a short amount of time allowing for the creation of vast armies to overrun your opponents with. Therefore zerg was adopted by the MMO community to describe a tactic of "Throw more people at it". Zerg rush really has nothing to do with MMOs.
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Armoured C
Gallente Onei Robotics
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Posted - 2010.01.15 17:46:00 -
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i hull tank my velator
does this mean i am a toon?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.15 17:49:00 -
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Statement : It's not "toons", it's "meatbags". [/HK-47]
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Krikx
Gallente Dark Syde Exploration Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.01.15 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 15/01/2010 02:46:40
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Esu Nahalas After you get rid of the word "toon," can you start on "blob?"
It's not a blob, ffs . . . it's a fleet.
I agree, but at least they don't call it what it's called in other games--a "zerg".
I think both are usually used negatively and tend to imply a lack of organization--a bunch of people on the same side in roughly the same place, but not much more organized than that.
Both are silly terms, though.
Actually, "zerg" as a term is short for the full term "zerg rush". In mmos it means to rush to the goal as fast as possible.
Personally, I don't see it interchangeable with "blob", which really is an EVE only term (for now, who knows if it'll appear in other space mmos) given the lack of any strategy in placement in fleet battles and the AoE effect of the bubble makes it more...encouraging to jam as close together as possible and lose any semblance of formation and actual strategy.
In EVE I don't really think there's a really good way to use the zerg. There's really no ultimate goal anywhere in EVE that if you take it out fast will end the event prematurely. Not considering the whole "omg they took out our titan everybody bugger run" styled battles of course. But even then...it just doesn't fit because there's no visual "rush to the goal".
But one thing is sure, yes, they are both negative to the majority of people.
Actually "zerg" is from StarCraft. Which I never played but there is appearantly a race in StarCraft that had a unit called Zerglings(or something like that). A common and very effect strategy was getting a massive army of zerglings as you could build them so fast and overcome your opponent with overwhelming numbers. This is what started the term zerg and why you see it reference in so many MMOÆs.
Any time some brings an overwhelming number of opponents to a fight that can be referred to as a ôzergö and actually fits the ôblobö term quite nicely. If I remember correctly what started the ôblobö term was the early days of Eve before we had cynoÆs and regions had major choke points that required going down a long pip into system. Corps would get massive fleets together and move down the pipe into region. If you watched the map you could see a big ôblobö move from system to system. That was before we had major trade hubs so a big red dot stood out like a sore thumb.
An example that comes to mind id Moo(spelling check?) invading Fountain alliance. There was a giant red dot or blob moving down the map to Y2 for about 30 minutes.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2010.01.15 18:52:00 -
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Zerg is a StarCraft race spawned by Overmind. They also don't tank very well. Wait, wrong thread
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2010.01.15 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 15/01/2010 06:22:09
Originally by: Esu Nahalas After you get rid of the word "toon," can you start on "blob?"
It's not a blob, ffs . . . it's a fleet.
Blob is the plural form of fleet, everyone knows that
also, blob is a very eve-y term; everyone else calls it a zerg, so i'm comfortable with it
Whaaat? I thought it was a visual for what they would look like on radar. Like someone sneezed on the monitor and a huge blob started moving south.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2010.01.15 19:53:00 -
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Whooot!!! I'm a tune a tuuuuuuunnnneeeeee!!!!! ________________________________________________
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Fifinella
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau I love toons. They remind me of the shows i watch on the tv.
A lot of them behave similarly, as well.
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets Zerg is a StarCraft race spawned by Overmind. They also don't tank very well. Wait, wrong thread
It's a Zerg fighter, used by the Overmind
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Padaxes they arnt toons they are Chars!
this isn't wow ffs!
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Chick'n Nugget
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:39:00 -
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hai guyz
Looks at meez. I hate WoW SSOOOOOOO much! Aren't I just da coolist? Let me talk about it more becuz I hate it SOOOOOOO much becuz Im too cool 4 it.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Padaxes they arnt toons they are Chars!
this isn't wow ffs!
forum griefing
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price checkinho
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Posted - 2010.01.15 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Padaxes they arnt toons they are Chars!
this isn't wow ffs!
The word toon was used to refer to video game characters long before wow existed my friend. They certainly are toons no matter how much you QQ.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.01.15 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Yodabunny I can't be this old...
Zerg is the name of a playable race in the game StarCraft. One of the Zerg's advantages is their ability to spawn large numbers of "zerglings" in a short amount of time allowing for the creation of vast armies to overrun your opponents with. Therefore zerg was adopted by the MMO community to describe a tactic of "Throw more people at it". Zerg rush really has nothing to do with MMOs.
Originally by: Krikx Actually "zerg" is from StarCraft. Which I never played but there is appearantly a race in StarCraft that had a unit called Zerglings(or something like that). A common and very effect strategy was getting a massive army of zerglings as you could build them so fast and overcome your opponent with overwhelming numbers. This is what started the term zerg and why you see it reference in so many MMOÆs.
Any time some brings an overwhelming number of opponents to a fight that can be referred to as a ôzergö and actually fits the ôblobö term quite nicely. If I remember correctly what started the ôblobö term was the early days of Eve before we had cynoÆs and regions had major choke points that required going down a long pip into system. Corps would get massive fleets together and move down the pipe into region. If you watched the map you could see a big ôblobö move from system to system. That was before we had major trade hubs so a big red dot stood out like a sore thumb.
An example that comes to mind id Moo(spelling check?) invading Fountain alliance. There was a giant red dot or blob moving down the map to Y2 for about 30 minutes.
*headdesk*
Please don't overlook the second part of my statement which means as it it's used in current mmos. And "zerg rush" is the full term, with "zerg" being the short form which everyone is familiar with. Now if I wanted to talk about Starcraft, RTS', and the origin of the word "Zerg" and not the term "zerg" as it is currently used in gaming, I would have done so, people. :P
Krikx, though that may have been how "blob" started, what it means now is quite different from before. But I still don't believe zerg and blob are interchangeable in how we use them today. Just think about how it's used. "They brought a blob, so we brought a bigger blob." It just doesn't have the same feel if you use zerg; "They brought a zerg, so we brought a bigger zerg." - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Chick'n Nugget
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Posted - 2010.01.15 21:26:00 -
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I have never heard the term zerg used to mean "rush the goal as fast as possible."
In every game, including MMOs, I have played, zerging means just sending a large number of players (usually not very good ones) at something hoping that the sheer number of players will achieve victory.
This makes sense considering the origin of the term.
Just because you, Aloriana Jacques, misuse the term that does not mean how it is "currently used" by the vast majority of the gaming population.
Consult urbandictionary if you don't believe me.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.15 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yodabunny
Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Actually, "zerg" as a term is short for the full term "zerg rush". In mmos it means to rush to the goal as fast as possible.
I can't be this old...
Zerg is the name of a playable race in the game StarCraft. One of the Zerg's advantages is their ability to spawn large numbers of "zerglings" in a short amount of time allowing for the creation of vast armies to overrun your opponents with. Therefore zerg was adopted by the MMO community to describe a tactic of "Throw more people at it". Zerg rush really has nothing to do with MMOs.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to know that. The other races were Terran, and the Protoss. Billy Corgan is dating Jessica Simpson, my cousin has dubbed the celeb couple "Smashing Dumbkins".
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.15 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 15/01/2010 21:49:44
Originally by: Space Penguin The term " Toon " to me seems somewhat immature and childish and while I don't take EVE as seriously as some people can and do EVE is undoubtedly a far more mature game than WoW and " Toon " as a term seems somewhat out of place.
Exactly.
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Doctor Dodo
Caldari Dalek Tactical Industries Wasted Wolves
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Posted - 2010.01.15 22:19:00 -
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well I call mine an avatar but whatever floats your boat and gives you your jollies.
Not worth a wet fart to get excited about the name of avatar/toon/char/nerd magnet
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.01.15 22:27:00 -
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How about we all just start calling ourselves zerglings?
My zergling is elemental/restro/ret speced.
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.15 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
*headdesk*
Please don't overlook the second part of my statement which means as it it's used in current mmos. And "zerg rush" is the full term, with "zerg" being the short form which everyone is familiar with. Now if I wanted to talk about Starcraft, RTS', and the origin of the word "Zerg" and not the term "zerg" as it is currently used in gaming, I would have done so, people. :P
Krikx, though that may have been how "blob" started, what it means now is quite different from before. But I still don't believe zerg and blob are interchangeable in how we use them today. Just think about how it's used. "They brought a blob, so we brought a bigger blob." It just doesn't have the same feel if you use zerg; "They brought a zerg, so we brought a bigger zerg."
I would agree with this.
Generally speaking, Zerg (especially as people use it in MMORPGs) refers to not only using a large force, but replenishing that force as fast as resources allow (Zerglings were the only units that you purchased in groups). In WoW, for instance, people used to "Zerg" outdoor dragons by running back to the fight immediately after they died and keeping it locked in combat, so unorganized PUGs could take it down after a handful of deaths... Just using that same group of 40 to kill it without dying would not be considered a zerg.
Blob, as I see it implies a lot more organization and solidarity. I've only seen it used as a negative connotation in terms of "those cowards need power in numbers" (lulz). A blob moves as one, and eats everything in its way. _ |
Armoured C
Gallente Onei Robotics
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Posted - 2010.01.16 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 16/01/2010 00:32:59 i have never heard anyone in eve go
OMG there fleet is warping in they are zerg us
first of all it the wrong game and secondly of all
wrong genre
is this really what wow is doing to the younge folk of today creating meme's and not realising where it came from or not even knowing what it is
love that overloard meme btw classic
im sorry but zerg doesnt fit into this game i believe
it sounds idiotic
it fleets, blobs and capsuleerss, cearbears , pirates , noobs.
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.01.16 01:11:00 -
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Cearbear, pirate, noob and blob all have origins outside of eve and therefor can no longer be used in eve. Capsuleer is fine. So from now on we must all talk like this: Marklar marklar in the Marklar..... oops. I mean: Capsuleer capsuleer in the capsuleer and capsuleer to the front of capsuleer capsuleering him with the capsuleer.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.16 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here and i just want to say i like the word toon lol
i am a loon hehehe
xx
Fixed. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.16 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Padaxes toon toon, toony toon toony toon toon. I love toons.
fixed it. I'll call my toon a toon if I want to.
Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Waukesha
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 07:41:00 -
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Toon sounds g a y
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Yodabunny
Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Actually, "zerg" as a term is short for the full term "zerg rush". In mmos it means to rush to the goal as fast as possible.
I can't be this old...
Zerg is the name of a playable race in the game StarCraft. One of the Zerg's advantages is their ability to spawn large numbers of "zerglings" in a short amount of time allowing for the creation of vast armies to overrun your opponents with. Therefore zerg was adopted by the MMO community to describe a tactic of "Throw more people at it". Zerg rush really has nothing to do with MMOs.
This is correct.
I think zerging was first or mostly used in DAoC ( as far as MMO's are concerned ), where you could follow the zerg in RvR or go with more structured single or dual groups.
Zergs could run in traps, but people just mindlesly kept following the leader which could lead to 2 groups ( 16 people ) killing a whole zerg ( 50+ people ) by using AoE CC and AoE DD effectively. I have been on both sides of the fence myself :p
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
*headdesk*
It just doesn't have the same feel if you use zerg; "They brought a zerg, so we brought a bigger zerg."
*facepalm*
That is however excatly how it was used in DAoC, grandfather of largescale PvP back in 2001.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online ( Pre-Dust514 ? ) |
Leocadminone
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Posted - 2010.01.18 13:40:00 -
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The term "toon" for a character predates MMORGs - it was originated in the tabletop RPG game "Toon", oddly enough.
Personally, I dislike the term, but don't consider it to be worth getting upset about.
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