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Throop Crossland
Amarr Allied Tactical Squadron DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.16 19:53:00 -
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Ok I am doing something very wrong. I have battlecruisers lvl 5 and have been flying it for some time. But I am getting killed in solo pvp.
Take for example last night 1vs1 pvp a hurricane got the jump on me and destroyed me. I attempted to get away once I noticed I was not able to break his shields and be was already hbalf way through my armor.
My question is does anyone have an idea on a good all round pvp solo fit? Should I be concentrating on dps or more tank with this ship? Sorry for the bad spelling I am typing this from my cell phone.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.16 19:57:00 -
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That Cane was prolly shield tanked so him being half shield while you're into armor isn't an issue (unless YOU'RE shield tanked as well), but if you can't break a Cane's shield tank with a Harb you're doing something terribly wrong. Posting your fit would be useful.
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.16 20:01:00 -
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would be helpfull if you posted your fitting, a pvp Hurricane is usually passive/active tanked with HP/s of 70-100. w/ 220mm autocannons, do you use active tank, plates, beam lasers/afterburner or some sort of nos/nuet setup etc? |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.01.16 20:34:00 -
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You were probably missing half the time because you have long range guns fitted, OR he tracking disrupter you.
A tracking computer might help, or short ranged guns. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.17 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg You were probably missing half the time because you have long range guns fitted, OR he tracking disrupter you.
A tracking computer might help, or short ranged guns.
Its unlikely he was tracking disrupting if he was shield tanked.
@OP Canes also often fit nuets which can play hell on Amarr ships. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Throop Crossland
Amarr Allied Tactical Squadron DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.17 02:29:00 -
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Ok so here is my setup. Seems to me to be a pretty decent setup but I am open for all ideas. And yes him getting the jump on me really put a damper on my chances of winning.
highs: medium pulse laser II (x7) small energy neut II
meds: scan booster II x5 prototype I engine enervator fleeting warp disruptor I 10mn microwarpdrive II
lows: 1600mn reinforced rolled tungsten platesI (x2) eanm II (x2) heatsink II DC II
rigs: ancillary current router I trimark armor pump I (x2)
I normally keep scorch loaded but this time when he jumped in on top of me i quickly loaded imp. navy multifreq crystals and started firing. And this went like every other engagement for the most part we exchanged volleys and my tank crapped out first. I consistantly get beat by 'canes and and mryms. I normally active tank ships and did that for a quite sometime to try a different route I have been attempting buffering. Still to no avail.
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Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.17 02:51:00 -
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you expect to beat a BC with medium guns with a BC with small guns?
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Velin Shade
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Posted - 2010.01.17 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Throop Crossland Ok so here is my setup. Seems to me to be a pretty decent setup but I am open for all ideas. And yes him getting the jump on me really put a damper on my chances of winning.
highs: medium pulse laser II (x7) small energy neut II
meds: scan booster II x5 prototype I engine enervator fleeting warp disruptor I 10mn microwarpdrive II
lows: 1600mn reinforced rolled tungsten platesI (x2) eanm II (x2) heatsink II DC II
rigs: ancillary current router I trimark armor pump I (x2)
I normally keep scorch loaded but this time when he jumped in on top of me i quickly loaded imp. navy multifreq crystals and started firing. And this went like every other engagement for the most part we exchanged volleys and my tank crapped out first. I consistantly get beat by 'canes and and mryms. I normally active tank ships and did that for a quite sometime to try a different route I have been attempting buffering. Still to no avail.
I assume that you were using focused medium pulse lasers. Are you low skilled? Ditch the ACR rig for another Trimark (immediately). You shouldn't lose to a shield buffered cane in well fit Harbinger.
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Shaitis
Caldari Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
you expect to beat a BC with medium guns with a BC with small guns?
this
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Fifi LeFume
No Trademark
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Posted - 2010.01.17 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Fifi LeFume on 17/01/2010 04:20:23 Medium Pulse Laser II's are frigate sized lasers.
Focused Medium Pulse laser II and Heavy Pulse Laser II's are cruiser/battlecruiser sized
edit: also, I don't know what AWU level you have, but you should not need an ACR rig there.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 05:46:00 -
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Edited by: Diomidis on 17/01/2010 05:47:01
Quote: [Harbinger, cookie PVP] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 25
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot]
Hammerhead II x5
* Could be called cookie cutter...fits with 3% CPU implant or you have to downgrade the DC to Pseudoelectron (meta 3)...meta 4 DC too expensive for a BC hull...u can downgrade the Disruptor too, but those 4km range do make a bigger difference than the slight EHP loss when downgrading the DC...it's a cheaper solution tho... * 1600mm for buffer and active tank at the same time...no, it's not fail, especially for solo...rigs are up to u...trimarks are good but make u very slow... * Decent DPS * Cap booster is a must, otherwise the "Cookie" nano cane with 2x med Neuts will ruin ur day in a few secs... * Use Scorch for mid range/always carry faction MF too... * Avoid using T2 modules unless necessary - most BCs work fine with T1 MWD and cap boosters... * If solo or really small gang, use 5x Med ECM drones and pwn...
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Jintra Jin'tak
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Posted - 2010.01.17 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jintra Jin''tak on 17/01/2010 10:46:08
Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 17/01/2010 03:39:54 you expect to beat a BC with medium guns with a BC with small guns?
Actually, I do, too: http://islekb.slipshield.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=803 Brutix and Thorax 1v2, rest of the engagement with gang. Harb-Fit can be seen, too due to me staying in there after the mess too long to get popped by the Drake (25% struk at that point)
Since I loved the Idea of the Heavy-Tank Harb, I looked into the 2x1600 fit and came up with [Harbinger, BS-Binger] Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x 5
100k ehp, 500 dps
QLBL II's have nearly the same dps and tracking as FMP's. Aurora sucks, though. Lows can be swapped to tune gank vs tank. Extremes are: 3x EANMII, still multi (not faction) - 112k ehp, 422 dps 3x HS II, Multi (not faction) - 67k ehp, 600 dps
Small neut is in there to fill the highslots and can be swapped to liking. I find them useful against Frigs w/o injector, though.
The Small-Laser Setup tops @ 450 dps with weapon rigs but lacks the range to counter Arty-Canes and long-range Ceptors. Speed is mediocre, to say the least. Most of the time it's enough to get in or out as needed and to avoid camps.
Lowsec-***ottry here.
Ninjaedit: Alligns like a stone in water. Fly it accordingly!
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Exitar Stormscion
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Posted - 2010.01.17 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Exitar Stormscion on 17/01/2010 13:56:13 Quad beams have a lot worse tracking then focused medium pulses. Maybe you were comparing with your skills calculated on quad beams.
But i like your setup can be good in large gangs on gates where people like to call harbingers primary :)
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Jintra Jin'tak
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jintra Jin''tak on 17/01/2010 14:36:27 Haven't looked at the raw stats so yes, it's with my skills. 0.1 QLB v 0.11 FMP. Therefor "nearly". Solo in Brick-binger is...well...brave? Or to quote Teamfourstar (look it up on youtube): "Hey! What's the opposite of brave?" - "******ED!" - "Thanks."
It's awesome as bait in amamake 3-I, too.
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:35:00 -
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Since you're a null-seccer;
[Harbinger, PVP] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Works nicely for me. You can go less tanky>more ganky by shedding some armour for bigger pulses.
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Foulque
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Posted - 2010.01.17 15:00:00 -
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Those FMP fits are about right but drop an eanm for an anp and you get room for a medium neut. ________
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Eternum Praetorian
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Throop Crossland
Ok I am doing something very wrong. I have battlecruisers lvl 5 and have been flying it for some time. But I am getting killed in solo pvp.
Take for example last night 1vs1 pvp a hurricane got the jump on me and destroyed me. I attempted to get away once I noticed I was not able to break his shields and be was already hbalf way through my armor.
My question is does anyone have an idea on a good all round pvp solo fit? Should I be concentrating on dps or more tank with this ship? Sorry for the bad spelling I am typing this from my cell phone.
I think the issue in this instance is that you took on a Hurricane. You have an explosive damage hole and he is dealing explosive damage. You are dealing EM-Therm and he has naturally high EM-Therm resists.
I usually strait out avoid Hurricanes when I am flying a Harbinger, that being said, drop DPS and use ECM drones. At the very least you will make them cry in local about how you don't play fair
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Throop Crossland
Amarr Allied Tactical Squadron DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.17 20:23:00 -
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I was perhaps relying on eft too much here. I was using frigate sized guns due to there higher tracking thus allowing me to pop frigate gangs easier. I have since switched to Focused Medium Pulse Laser II. I switches my drones from hammerhead II to warrior II to deal with the possible frigate threat. I will report on changes soon. Thanks for the help.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Throop Crossland I was perhaps relying on eft too much here. I was using frigate sized guns due to there higher tracking thus allowing me to pop frigate gangs easier. I have since switched to Focused Medium Pulse Laser II. I switches my drones from hammerhead II to warrior II to deal with the possible frigate threat. I will report on changes soon. Thanks for the help.
Small guns fight within web range usually, and frigs die to web/drones effectively enough. Using Frig sized weapons you neglect the main bonus of the Harb...not wise...
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Velin Shade
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Posted - 2010.01.17 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
I think the issue in this instance is that you took on a Hurricane. You have an explosive damage hole and he is dealing explosive damage. You are dealing EM-Therm and he has naturally high EM-Therm resists.
I usually strait out avoid Hurricanes when I am flying a Harbinger, that being said, drop DPS and use ECM drones. At the very least you will make them cry in local about how you don't play fair
Are you sure that shield buffer Canes have naturally high em/therm resists? Check again - I didn't think so... Now that you've been properly informed, quit running from Canes in your Harbingers.
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Elldranga
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Posted - 2010.01.18 01:23:00 -
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I'm glad you've gotten kills with that ship.... but you really need it explained to you why you can't kill a comparable battlecruiser with frigate class guns? You asked if you should be concentrating on dps or tank... the answer is dps. If you can't out damage the buffer or the active tank, you're guaranteed to lose.
My harby has 73k ehp and does close to 900 dmg. No offense, but I'll take that any and every time over an extra 25kish ehp and about 1/2 the dps. It's simple math.
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Jintra Jin'tak
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Posted - 2010.01.20 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elldranga
My harby has 73k ehp and does close to 900 dmg. No offense, but I'll take that any and every time over an extra 25kish ehp and about 1/2 the dps. It's simple math.
Care to share the Fit? Everything I can come up with near 900 dps (overloaded that is) has arround 55k ehp. At least everything w/o a ~700 mil lg-Slave set...
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.01.20 11:55:00 -
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Best armor fit i efted was 3hs, 1600rt, small cap booster fit with 2 or 3 hpls changed to fmps /i think it even had small neut for afs, but still no defence vs inties/. Best with slaves ofc.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.01.20 17:40:00 -
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Major facepalm alert at light gun fitted turret BC's... ^^
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Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jintra Jin'tak
Originally by: Elldranga
My harby has 73k ehp and does close to 900 dmg. No offense, but I'll take that any and every time over an extra 25kish ehp and about 1/2 the dps. It's simple math.
Care to share the Fit? Everything I can come up with near 900 dps (overloaded that is) has arround 55k ehp. At least everything w/o a ~700 mil lg-Slave set...
A full rack of HPL2s on ANMF, 3 HS's, max skills and hammer 2's is 760, anything over that is implants / overload. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know...
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:16:00 -
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I have had a lot of success with this build.
[Harbinger, Ganker] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Vespa EC-600 x5
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:59:00 -
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Instead of something to replace a BS that can align almost as fast as a plated harbinger but is much better because it can pack a neavy neut or remote rep, how about creating a HAC/cruiser-replacement type ship? I've had great fun flying these (and a sniper version as well).
[Harbinger, NanoPulse] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
ECM drones; can switch to t1 or named on many of the modules as price (this is a T1 ship, price matters), skillpoints, and personal preference vary (I do, but listed a simple t2 version). For example, the t2 mwd is kinda unnecessary compared to t1. Rigs are also pretty interchangeable -- I like using a agility-boosting one.
If you want to use 3% implants its pretty easy to get HPL's on there instead, even with AWU IV (use an ACR and change mods to named).
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Asuka Smith
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:29:00 -
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Here is my school of thought on the Harbinger, for SOLO BC vs. BC combat.
[Harbinger, Nanoshield] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
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