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Phantom Assault
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Posted - 2010.01.18 11:46:00 -
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At what point did you realize that having a Freighter was necessary? And what do you use it for. It seems like it could be handy to move assets like ships around. But how much is your Freighter a crucial part of you being able to generate isk?
Or did you go another route for moving large assets like, Carrier or figure out some way to do what you needed with an Orca? All the above seem like they have there own advantages. Then there are the JFs. But to me, that's a bit cost prohibitive. It seems that it would take for ever to break even after buying a JF, but hey... Sometimes nothing else will do I guess.
What route did you take?
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Sphit Ker
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Posted - 2010.01.18 11:56:00 -
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I treated myself to a Providence recently. It's the first ship in New Eden that gave me a "oh ****" moment upon sighting one approaching a station, 4 years ago. I came out of warp right under it's belly and just fore of the engines. I made owning and flying one a personal milestone.
That's all it is. I have no direct ISK making scheme for it, it's only a superbly convenient asset.
Perhaps I am missing the point?
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Aurelius Valentius
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.18 11:58:00 -
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I will bite...
I got mine (Providence) when I thought it was cool looking enough to get one, I had made a trading alt (which I am beginning to make ISK with and understand EVE Markets/Trade) and thought I would be hauling alot of goods but that never materialized.
I then started to haul/courier contracts, that generates so little ISK as to probably take 2-3 years of every day hauling just to pay for the ship, not including insurance... so that was a bust also, since most people seem to box up there goods in very non-user friendly ways to haulers that have limited ISK - setting rewards very low, asking for many jumps past the point of reason, and have collateral that is very high - if people broke these into a few smaller contracts instead of one for 400M say 4x 100M it might work for me better, but they don't and I have limited clients atm.
So, my freighter is now used as a very expensive, large (but cool looking) paper weight, and spinning thing... I almost never use it unless I find a courier contract, then I fly 8 jumps to Jita - they are always in Jita... wave to the Gankers in Nairja on the way, and make a few million ISK (which I could make faster in L4 Missions/Mining in the same time) and I then return home.
Freighters ARE in my opinion, very expensive, and rarely needed ships for most EVE players, a few people DO need them, but most don't...but they look cool as the only capital-sized ships in high-sec...so that counts for something I guess.
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:07:00 -
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I considered buying one a few months back, a corp mate gave me some very good advice relating to Freighters; they're only nesicary if you're filling them to capacity per run. For this to be profitable you need to have a large amount of liquid isk to purchase your intended items (say a freighter load of materials), an understanding of the EvE market system and most importantly of all, a plan.
I was wisely advised to stick with Industrial T2 ships to learn the ins and outs of the industrial aspects of new eden. These ships aren't exactly 'limited' in cargo space (my Impel has just over 36,000 m3 of space) but cost a fraction of the cost of a freighter and fill the initial roles of small scale, 'testing the water' trading. Take time to observe your intended market, the best way to appropriate your intended goods (production/buying off market/invention etc and get REAAAAALLLLL friendly with a calculator :)
Best of luck, good hunting o7
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Zeerover
DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zeerover on 18/01/2010 12:32:59 First freighter - Fenrir - was bought to haul buy orders of minerals to be sold in Rens. It earned more than the difference in price was when I sold it again.
Bought another one to move ships bought cheaply across New Eden to Jita during the price hike after Dominion. Moving dozen of Hics to Jita with an average profit of 25% was quite worth it.
Now it just sits in the Hangar waiting for a new opportunity, such as hauling large quantities of CN Ammo/RF Ammo to far away mission hubs, and returning with cheaply bought minerals from said hub. Since quantities are large compared to daily traded volume it only makes such a trip once per month.
I could always sell it, but I'm betting on the mineral market picking up again from all the null-sec wars going on, and hence it's price will probably rise over time. So it's an investment in it self.
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Deva Blackfire
Cry Me a River INC
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:46:00 -
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Not rly money making machine for me - just utility tool that makes annoying parts of the game less annoying. First of all its good armoured car for moving expensive stuff (it really takes a bit more dedication to kill one than putting 1 or 2 tempests on gate) so you can AQFK it for 20+ jumps. Second it enables to move large amounts of goodies from place to place (be it minerals or ships) - also useful thing. But except for this? It just gathers dust. I take it for a ride like once per 4 months or something.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:53:00 -
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Bought my first freighter to move my ships&stuff around in high sec preparing for a new wardec. I also used it for couriers at times if I could be bothered.
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Kalnov
Gallente Problematique Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kalnov on 18/01/2010 13:08:57 Bought mine to haul minerals in highsec. I'd randomly drop ore off into random highsec systems from wormholes and I'd need it hauled to Jita. Simple enough reason.
I keep it around to haul tons of ships at once. It's pretty useful. Mostly a corp asset though, in case we need it.
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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 14:37:00 -
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i trained gallente industrial 5 for an itty5 and a viator... then figured i may aswell train the freighter/JF skills as i had the pre-reqs and nothing better to do.
i use my freighter for moving repackaged ships around for my corp, i use it in lowsec and highsec, either by running pipes or wormholing directly to highsec. i also use it to ferry large amounts of loot to jita, and stuff like jump/POS fuel on the return trip, plus kernite for the local storyline agents.
i got mine more as a 'why not' rather than needing it.
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Sephy'Ra
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent
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Posted - 2010.01.18 14:43:00 -
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It's nice to see other people also bought a Providence for the looks - I did too!
But of course that is not the whole story. I used to be a hardcore miner up until I was about half a year into EVE. Mainly due to the fact I could only play on weekends (military service). After that I went on alone for a while mining away, not knowing what I'm getting myself into.
In decembre '07 I joined my first (and only) corporation and got dragged a bit more to the PvE-side of EVE. It was them who had to haul my first freighter-loads of ore that accumulated over time. When I had the money I decided to take things in my own hands and had a corporation we had/have bonds with build me a Providence. It's slow but still so much quicker than any Industrial or Transport Ship and I never regretted the investment.
It's still very intact, even after making contact with low-security space multiple times and it is patiently waiting for the day I call upon it's superior hauling capabilities ... whatever it may be that needs a lift.
And if the pilot didn't quit EVE they flew happily ever after. The End.
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mishkof
Caldari Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 14:56:00 -
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When I realised I played this game AFK so much that the effecive HP buff was worth the drastically slower speed.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:44:00 -
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I use mine for hauling minerals (Charon), and while i don't fill it to capacity very often, it still saves me countless trips in smaller haulers. Well worth it, IMO.
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.01.18 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 18/01/2010 16:02:37 I have many relations, my main is a good pvper and i started to be an empire merc for my indus friends. So, between wars, i need to move my fitted/T2 rigged/pimped pvp ships from place to place.
So i just bought a fenrir...
And i was disapointed because you can't put assembled ships in it. I heard about making a courier contract to yourself. I will try this trick before selling the freighter.
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Jarnskaggi
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Posted - 2010.01.18 20:52:00 -
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Here I was all relaxed and sipping on some Quafe when this really short fellow dressed in a brown robe walked up and shouted HOOOO TITI at me.
He was pointing out the holodeck viewing area at this large ship pulling up to dock.
It was at this point I decided I had to fly one of them Jawa Star Crawlers.
I picked up a Fenrir just cause.
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Phantom Assault
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Posted - 2010.01.18 21:10:00 -
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Hey, Thanks for your replies all.
I have loved my Prorator for 0.0 supply runs. It is fast and fun to fly all while being very sneaky. I mainly use the BR to keep my PVP main stocked with modules and ammo and whatever else I might need. I have started to dabble a bit more into trading the overstock that fits in the hull. ItĘs like running a corner store out in the middle of nowhere. But I have been looking down the road and the grandness of the Providence caught my eye.
But for now, it is not in line with the scale of my trade. I realize that they have multiple uses, and was trying to come up with alternative uses. Never really got into mining, but I could look into moving mins around. If I got one today, it would mainly be used to move my assets around. I could also consolidate trade trips by using the Freighter to move trade items to a forward jump off point heading to null sec.
The Carrier option.. It might be that I would get more use out of an Archon. I am not a big fan of the concept of CAP warfare, but I suppose, although limited in cargo capacity, I serves multiple functions.
I just wish we had an option to fly something smaller than Jump Freighters and something bigger than T2 transports. Something that would allow me to move a couple BC or BS sized hulls around would be nice.
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Lyeendar
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Posted - 2010.01.18 23:28:00 -
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I bought mine cause we needed to get a full load of feul to 0.0 for towers and nobody had one around so was kinda impulsive
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.18 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/01/2010 23:38:20 IMO, a freighter is most useful for hauling things like POS fuel, minerals, and L4 courier storylines. It can also save some time when moving across empire - which is something my corp does depressingly often.
-Liang
Ed: BTW, Providence is ftw. Sexeh looks are important. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Lord Zarcam
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.01.18 23:48:00 -
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Just got my providence a few days ago and managed to fill it up 3 times yesterday moving minerals. Starting to dabble in ship building and a couple of weeks ago it took me over 30 runs 4+ jumps away to move enough minerals for one run of BC's. I said at that time my next ship would be a freighter! Later this week I'll have the skills for the B/R!
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.01.19 10:07:00 -
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for moving minerals or other relatively low cost stuff in high sec is very worth the price. i just pay attention to dont put much money inside it to avoid get suicide ganked
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David88x77
Heaven's Avatars Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.01.19 13:03:00 -
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Only reason I am considering buying one is because I am lazy. Do I consider it a way of making money? no! Jumping systems is the part of the game which is most boring... have no clue why people would want to do it as a job.
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franny
Mentis Seorsum
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Posted - 2010.01.19 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: franny on 19/01/2010 13:15:17 long ago, when we were in Q... corp got one(we built it with hauler spawns), which I was one of 2 people to fly it usually around 14jumps each way eventually I got a carrier, which was a lot easier to use for jump hauling
ofc back then Orca's and Jump freighters didn't exist
some assets are worth their costs, even if they never 'pay themselves back', imo JFs qualify there if you are in 0.0 logistics
and I built myself a freighter after returning from my 'vacation' but I do have "something" to build
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Alenora Tizar
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Posted - 2010.01.19 18:12:00 -
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I got mine nearly 6 months ago purely for personal use. I went with the Providence cause it looks epic. I use it mainly for moving large quantities of pvp ships and modules close to FW space, moving lots of minerals from mining ops and when I get my pos up, I'll use it to move materials and fuel to the pos, and products to trade hub systems. Personally I'd say its an invaulable timesaver as opposed to doing loads of industrial ship runs.
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Shinjo Bajahnhosuu
Blood Money Bootcamp
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Posted - 2010.01.19 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 19/01/2010 20:37:44 Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 19/01/2010 20:35:43
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
And i was disapointed because you can't put assembled ships in it. I heard about making a courier contract to yourself. I will try this trick before selling the freighter.
Bleh, is this true? I thought this was one of the uses of a freighter, the ability to move rigged ships without repackaging and destroying the rigs? (Not that my understanding is based on research or anything ... just baseless assumptions).
Or is there another type of ship that does this?
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Edgar Berberos
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Posted - 2010.01.19 20:45:00 -
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Freigters are necessary for the creation of outposts? Niche, I know, but still an important role.
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Sphit Ker
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Posted - 2010.01.19 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 19/01/2010 20:37:44 Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 19/01/2010 20:35:43
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
And i was disapointed because you can't put assembled ships in it. I heard about making a courier contract to yourself. I will try this trick before selling the freighter.
Bleh, is this true? I thought this was one of the uses of a freighter, the ability to move rigged ships without repackaging and destroying the rigs? (Not that my understanding is based on research or anything ... just baseless assumptions).
Or is there another type of ship that does this?
You _can_ use a freighter to move rigged ships (I just tried) but this come with a minor inconveniences: You can't assign a private courier contract to yourself.
In short: use an alt, give the ship(s) to the alt, alt create private courier contract to main, main stuff freighter and complete contract.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2010.01.19 22:07:00 -
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Really helpful thread.
I've been able to fly a freighter for a while but haven't been able to bring myself to buy one. I rarely have so much to haul that can't be done with one or two transport runs. (My main in a Bustard and alt in an Occator is close to 50k m3 between the two of them.
That being said, when I spent more time in 0.0 they were useful. Often we'd set up a POS in an ice belt system, with industrials shuttling back and forth from the belt to the tower. Every so often we'd run a freighter over to pick up from the tower back to the outpost. Beat having to do it with indys.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.01.19 22:10:00 -
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I got mine... because I could.
As soon as I got in it I found out that courier contracts are horrible and there is no way I would ever make money off of the thing. A regular freighter will not likely ever earn you payments from other players that will "pay for itself". However it will save you such a vast amount of time when you need to move anything bulk, you will never want to get rid of it.
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DJ Skrull
Caldari Miners and Refiners
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Posted - 2010.01.19 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: DJ Skrull on 19/01/2010 22:50:30 I'm looking to get a Charon. I'm a miner (as if you couldn't tell), and so far I've been using a stretched out Bustard (30.6 km^2) to haul my titanium. But I'm in a little oasis of .5 sec cut off from the good market prices by a vein of low sec and 20 jumps (some which i can't auto) to make 9 mil is starting to be aggravating, and i do those twice a day when i mine.
20 jumps twice a month to make 250 mil would be nicer. EVEntually |
Aeon Noblemagus
Minmatar Sto-vo-kor Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.01.19 23:31:00 -
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my alt is getting one in about 2weeks my alt is 4days away from production efficiency 5 so I'll get him to make ships and then move them around to places where they need to be.
So i go to trading hubs to buy minerals, bring minerals back, build ships move ships to places where i base my pvp from then on my way back pick up cheap minerals
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 00:27:00 -
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3-4 years ago because of 0.0 pos grind
this game could've been called interbus online - he who transports most wins - putting the gist back into logistics |
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