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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:18:00 -
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As of Dominion 1.1, Supercarriers will not be able to dock (as is the case for MOMs now).
I admit that my opinion on this issue is conflicted, and I'm not sure which way I lean. Clearly CCP is/has been conflicted on the issue as well, as they've wavered between can-dock/can't dock during Dominion development.
On the one hand, Supercarriers have the potential to really change the texture of cap fights (we'll see). As such I'd like to see them on the field. However, their inability to dock pretty much requires that you have a supercarrier alt - which is a HUGE barrier to entry (as somebody pointed out, far more than the cost of the actual supercarrier itself).
On the other hand, Supercarriers look to be pretty epic (they certainly were on SiSi) - so perhaps that huge barrier to entry is appropriate.
Your thoughts?
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Jasper Pravitas
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:27:00 -
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speaking solely for a storyline content/consistency point of view, I'd say no. Supercarriers have been depicted as being almost station-sized themselves.
That said, actual game mechanics may simply have to override RP concerns
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:28:00 -
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I think that supercapitals should at least be able to be stationed safely in POSes through a module that protects the owner and let's him jump clone to use another ship. If station games were fixed, it would be a good idea to let a fixed number of supercarriers enter an outpost with the correspondent system upgrade (increasing number with lvl), maybe having an extended agression timer on supercapitals would do the trick.
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William Caldon
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:29:00 -
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No, Supercarriers don't need to dock, they are powerful enough as is.
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jasper Pravitas speaking solely for a storyline content/consistency point of view, I'd say no. Supercarriers have been depicted as being almost station-sized themselves.
EVE is already full of epically hilarious clown cars. How, again, is my alt able to fit a Large Amarr tower into his Viator?
But yeah, Supercarriers are supposed to be unimaginably large - it does indeed stretch the imagination a bit. It was hilarious to see Titans stretching FAR beyond the boundaries of hangars during Dominion supercapital testing on SiSi.
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Shigsy
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:43:00 -
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ITT: Op who doesn't fly a Mom trying to make a thread about Moms.
No, they don't need to dock.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:49:00 -
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Supercapitals is supercapitals. Mothership or Superlamenameier doesn't matter, it's still a supercap. If you can't afford to lose a ship, don't fly it? If you can't afford to have a parking alt and/or park one character indefinately in one, don't fly it. Isk cost (which a parking alt is all about) is a ****ty argument for arguing to making them dockable. Shouldn't that mean titans have even more reasons to be dockable, btw?
I have no parking alt for my xMom, am using a dedicated character to fly it - or well atm, it's just parked at a POS, but that's not the point - on the other hand, a regular xMom hull + fit + character value should reach the very least 30bil+ value (probably alot higher), which by todays PLEX price is roughly 4,5year+ of gametime for one account. Or over one year for four accounts. Someone that can amass that kind of isk should easily be able to afford a parking alt, if they really really want access to that character.
Sacrifices. You want the ship? Pay for it. Don't want to pay for it? Don't whine that you can't afford it. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:53:00 -
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^I think that argument is more reasonable than the argument in favor of docking MOMs.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.01.20 18:54:00 -
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I remember the one time a Nyx tried to dock in a Caldari station... --------
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:16:00 -
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Motherships playing docking games in lowsec? No thanks _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:25:00 -
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I don't think anything larger than a BS should be able to dock.
And docking timers should be 10mins.
And docking radii drastically cut down, all stations kickout.
And pie should come with all happy meals.
And I like turtles. ♥
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Jane Vladmir
Gallente Warmongers
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Posted - 2010.01.20 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar I remember the one time a Nyx tried to dock in a Caldari station...
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:35:00 -
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Supercarriers.......... lol
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Dr Karsun
Gallente HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:58:00 -
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Hmm... Hmmm... Hmm...
The second biggest ship in game... Big enough to carry a small strike force inside it... Equiped with enough fire power to reach TEN THOUSAND dps. DPS stands for damage per SECOND... It's like popping a bs every second... Or two seconds (in theory). A beast which can keep it self, its friends and everyone around alive and when things get chilly around the spine, use its capital ecm module and warp off.
No, please don't allow MOMS to dock... They will spank us nasty kids for what we'r doing in stations.
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.01.20 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Night Epoch on 20/01/2010 20:58:33 Scatim Helicon of Goonswarm also makes this point in the Dominion 1.1 thread:
Quote: Dockable supercaps were discussed in the run up to Dominion and the main issue was the likelihood of performing ridiculous docking games (sit on undock repping the station, absorb all incoming fire with your massive HP buffer, dock when you start to take too much damage, insta-repair for free, undock and repeat) which would, effectively, make it nearly impossible to ever capture an outpost.
His post
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CrazySpaceHobo
Caldari Mysterys Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:22:00 -
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No, they shouldnt be able to dock, but they should have their models doubled in size, I mean, at the moment they are no larger than dreadnoughts and it dosent make sense.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:23:00 -
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Yes please,cuz then i will certainly work on getting me one!!!
This is my selfish person talking offcourse... indeed, these ships would be too much of an 'i-win' button if they could also dock... so no... they should not be able to dock in a regular station...
Mebbe something could be made though so u can dock it at an outpost, some special module for the outpost, where it will be safe from theft but it should have some drawbacks, like perhaps when u dock it, it won't be able to undock for an x period of time, so this way the pilots of said ships can use their skills once more for other ships. ________________________________________________
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Spinnakers
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:26:00 -
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Yes, they should be able to dock. Why would you want a train a char that has to perma-sit in the captain's chair?
The sale of space diapers will go down after a marathon MOM session.
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:34:00 -
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Yes, I think they should be allowed to dock.
The simple reason is that you're otherwise required to have a holding alt for the ship. Allowing them to dock will put SC's in reach of many more pilots. Thus we will see more of them in combat.
Be honest: When's the last time you saw a Mom in a Fleet Battle? No one used them because they were only marginally better than a Carrier. I personally would like to see them used again. Tomorrow's patch may go a long way to getting them out of hibernation. We'll see if it is enough.
The only other ship to require holding alts is a Titan. Do people really think that SC's are THAT close to Titans?
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Ringo Jeicha
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:38:00 -
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I like the outpost idea. Have a module for it like a Supercapital docking bay, which can hold a maximum of 1 per level. --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss |
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
I have no parking alt for my xMom, am using a dedicated character to fly it - or well atm, it's just parked at a POS.
Please inform me what system you dare to park your SC at. We'll gladly remove the extra 200 mill a month you're spending to park your ship.
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2010.01.20 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Supercapitals is supercapitals. Mothership or Superlamenameier doesn't matter, it's still a supercap. If you can't afford to lose a ship, don't fly it? If you can't afford to have a parking alt and/or park one character indefinately in one, don't fly it. Isk cost (which a parking alt is all about) is a ****ty argument for arguing to making them dockable. Shouldn't that mean titans have even more reasons to be dockable, btw?
I have no parking alt for my xMom, am using a dedicated character to fly it - or well atm, it's just parked at a POS, but that's not the point - on the other hand, a regular xMom hull + fit + character value should reach the very least 30bil+ value (probably alot higher), which by todays PLEX price is roughly 4,5year+ of gametime for one account. Or over one year for four accounts. Someone that can amass that kind of isk should easily be able to afford a parking alt, if they really really want access to that character.
Sacrifices. You want the ship? Pay for it. Don't want to pay for it? Don't whine that you can't afford it.
If there was an award for COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT this guy deserves it.
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Opertone
Caldari Monsters
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Posted - 2010.01.20 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Opertone on 20/01/2010 22:42:36 you can assemble a station around it to get hull repairs done - should be sort of capital docking shipyard, exclusively for hull integrity check and ConcorD space illumination semiannual test.
... (remeber these capitals have a lot of lights shine)
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Implying Implications
Minmatar Broski Enterprises No Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2010.01.20 22:50:00 -
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no
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Bane Loppknow
Pel Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 20/01/2010 23:39:38 Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 20/01/2010 23:38:53 What about a POS structure, similar to the SMA, that requires Strategic Index 5 to anchor, and allows you to "dock" a small number of supercapitals, keeping them safe from bumping and theivery by corp-mates without access.
wouldn't be able to play docking games, get to store your ship without an alt, and still leaves it open to backstabbery.
edit: by small i mean 2-4. and they'd still be visible to everyone flying by. in effect, it would kinda be like anchoring your ship.
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Karsun Hmm... Hmmm... Hmm...
The second biggest ship in game... Big enough to carry a small strike force inside it... Equiped with enough fire power to reach TEN THOUSAND dps. DPS stands for damage per SECOND... It's like popping a bs every second... Or two seconds (in theory). A beast which can keep it self, its friends and everyone around alive and when things get chilly around the spine, use its capital ecm module and warp off.
No, please don't allow MOMS to dock... They will spank us nasty kids for what we'r doing in stations.
your half right, but your all 4 dreads are bigger tehn the wyvern and nyx but for the fire power the nyx and wyvern have i'm with you no docking 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
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Odda
Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:58:00 -
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no
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David Grogan
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.01.21 02:31:00 -
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yes supercarriers should be allowed to dock
just cos one can afford one doesnt mean they should have to live in it
we all like swapping into different ships so why should supercarrier pilots be hemmed into just 1 ship?
more ppl would fly super carriers if thay could dock them. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.01.21 02:37:00 -
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I think a 300m isk monthly parking fee is perfectly acceptable for such a selfish supermom's school runner. ~ Soar Like a Penguin |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.01.21 02:47:00 -
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So being immune to ewar is not enough for you guys eh?
I might get an alt into a super carrier when fighter bombers are a reality. Docking has nothing to do with it.
You ladies have a nice conversation about cramming big objects where they don't fit.
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