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La5eR
Amarr Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:29:00 -
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Would you all quit your whine fests please? I see threads about "balance this weapon", "Change this aspect", etc..
KNOCK IT OFF. Grow your muscle of patience, cross train your crap, and get over it. It seems people dont know the properties of a CHALLENGE. They want everything handed to them on a silver-platter. If this game were what these people want it to be with all these "balance this" type threads, we would all be flying around with impairors, civilian gatling guns, and there would be no skill training necessary. BORING GAME PLAY would ensue IMO.
Again, grow some patience balls and DEAL with the supposed "imbalance" this game has. |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:33:00 -
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Whining and moaning is much easier than cross training.
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Whining and moaning is much easier than cross training.
And far more amusing |
Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Veliria
Originally by: Artemis Rose Whining and moaning is much easier than cross training.
And far more amusing
Oh most definitely. And isn't whining about whining kind of ironic?
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: La5eR cross train your crap
Already done. ;-)
Quote: If this game were what these people want it to be with all these "balance this" type threads, we would all be flying around with impairors, civilian gatling guns, and there would be no skill training necessary.
I'm actually quite impressed with most of the latest round of threads. They're mostly asking for very specific things that will make each weapon excel in different circumstances. For instance, the Minmatar wanted AAAAAALLLLLLLPPPPPHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! which is mostly useful in extremely short fights. Gallente want GIMME TEH DDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! which really suits the play style that race encourages. Caldari... well they're mostly whining about DPS too... and Amarr are just like DON'T NERF ME BRO!
All things considered, the game is mostly well balanced - and the boost threads popping up are largely things that are wanting to increase diversity.
But, suppose for a moment that you have a race that utterly pwns everything like Amarr was before the projectile boost. Well, you start to see a huge groundswell of people doing exactly what you suggest - crosstraining. And then you start seeing killmails with 37 geddons/apocs and 2 Tempests and 3 Megas and 2 Domis. ;-)
And yes, I'm referencing an actual killmail by a non RP alliance. ;-)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Debrace
Minmatar Dark Fusion Industries One Stop Research
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:49:00 -
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http://www.pakin.org/complaint
Saves time for the whiners! I do agree, it amusing how apparently if you read the forum long enough EVERYTHING is either broken or needs a buff!
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:52:00 -
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So rather than having multiple balanced weapons, you're advising everybody crosstrain and use the imba OP weapons? To use your words, "BORING GAME PLAY would ensue IMO." _________
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 21/01/2010 19:06:37
Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm actually quite impressed with most of the latest round of threads. They're mostly asking for very specific things that will make each weapon excel in different circumstances. For instance, the Minmatar wanted AAAAAALLLLLLLPPPPPHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! which is mostly useful in extremely short fights. Gallente want GIMME TEH DDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! which really suits the play style that race encourages. Caldari... well they're mostly whining about DPS too... and Amarr are just like DON'T NERF ME BRO!
indeed I have to agree with this.
atm state of affairs is: projectiles are "good". not "OMFG AWESOME!" but good. Falloff changes on the AC's, altho I still say that fighting in falloff is quite lulzy, it made those damn thing have such a high falloff that it really made it less of a worry. And we have the 9k alpha howies back \o/, and a better ammo splitup for projectiles, making it quite a separate thing to the other weapon systems.
Hybrids are a wee bit of the underdogs atm. Blasters don't do enough damage to counter the terrible limitations they have, and somewhat recent nerfs made it harder (*points to web nerf part from the nano nerf*). Rails, while they have pretty much the highest base optimal of all turrets, they do have a not great damage potential. Something that probably a small dps increase would change, helping both gallente and caldari at the same time.
Missiles are somewhat ok-ish, but roflkets need a fix. bad. as in last month. and probably cruise missiles too. RoF increased maybe?
and lasers are... well they don't need a change tbh. Those things hurt quite alot already.
tbh, as far as weapon systems go, only stuff that really needs a change atm is: Blasters, Railguns, rockets, and probably the amarr and caldari drone lineup.
I mean, is there really a use for EM drones pitiful damage? You either use gallente drones for max damage or minmatar drones for max speed. caldari drones are somewhat bad, but have uses in pve, and amarr drones are LOLdrones. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:15:00 -
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So what you are saying is that every ship you use should be nerfed, since then you have a challenge. Also it would result in more fascinating game play (since a balanced game is apparently boring), and your balls grow from it.
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Deva Blackfire
Cry Me a River INC
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
atm state of affairs is: projectiles are "good". not "OMFG AWESOME!" but good. Falloff changes on the AC's, altho I still say that fighting in falloff is quite lulzy, it made those damn thing have such a high falloff that it really made it less of a worry. And we have the 9k alpha howies back \o/, and a better ammo splitup for projectiles, making it quite a separate thing to the other weapon systems.
And then you enter sleipnir after flying absolution and astarte previously and run "omfg awesome". Yeah projectile boost just imbalanced field command class so much that pretty much there is no alternative to sleipnir. It both outdamages and outtanks astarte and abso plus is fastest of em all.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Grimpak
atm state of affairs is: projectiles are "good". not "OMFG AWESOME!" but good. Falloff changes on the AC's, altho I still say that fighting in falloff is quite lulzy, it made those damn thing have such a high falloff that it really made it less of a worry. And we have the 9k alpha howies back \o/, and a better ammo splitup for projectiles, making it quite a separate thing to the other weapon systems.
And then you enter sleipnir after flying absolution and astarte previously and run "omfg awesome". Yeah projectile boost just imbalanced field command class so much that pretty much there is no alternative to sleipnir. It both outdamages and outtanks astarte and abso plus is fastest of em all.
punctual cases ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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TimMc
Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:33:00 -
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Amarr whining about other players whining. Why is this so funny...
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:13:00 -
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quick everyone train amarr and stfu! ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor quick everyone train amarr and stfu!
Yeah ccp should help us with this ,by deleting the other 3 races.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Jim Raynor quick everyone train amarr and stfu!
Yeah ccp should help us with this ,by deleting the other 3 races.
looks like the phoenix gets to do 30% less dps and still not hit for even half its 'theoretical' dps vs a moving carrier
balance!! ------ I'll make a sig later. |
NoNah
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Posted - 2010.01.21 20:30:00 -
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I fly pretty much all ships in the game. I sitll wnat ships changed and balance to be improved. Now what? Parrots, commence!
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.01.22 00:20:00 -
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The OP hasn't responded once to this topic since he posted it, and EVERYONE seems to be disagreeing with him...Come on guys, obvious troll is obvious. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.01.22 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Whining and moaning is much easier than cross training.
but at the rate ccp balances stuff you can cross train before your side gets boosted.
that said I can pretty much fly everything (well at least on various characters)
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La5eR
Amarr Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.22 06:34:00 -
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Wait a min, this isnt a troll. Ever since the dawn of the internet gaming world people have complained to the game dev/mfgrs to balance the game so that those complaining can win the game in one fel-swoop. I remember when Quake2's internet gaming capability came out and people started griping about the railgun being too weak for the advanced weapon it was. ID software quickly upped the damage to 110/shot AND nerfed the rocket launchers splash damage.
Epic games nerfed the redeemers capability in the UT series after reviews of the 1999 version were too over-powered and tweaked it for the 2k3/4 line.
Blizzard's PVP based play has been hurt so much by players crying that their class cant WTFPWN someone in 4 seconds.
The trend of moaning and groaning players hasnt changed. Its people not being skilled enough to play their class/weapon type/(insert descriptive title here). I cross trained because that is what the devs had in mind due to its SANDBOX nature. People complaining that they cant WTFPWN when they have less game-time experience than those battle-hardened PVPers out there are showing HUGE impatience towards ANY game genre out there. LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME AS INTENDED OR GTFO. |
lil j0n
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Posted - 2010.01.22 07:14:00 -
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Hi there,
I've noticed a disturbing unbalance since crosstraining Amarr/Gal:
- For station undock RR fleet, my Armageddon can't match the awesomeness of my Megathron. - For swatting Hac/recon/nanocaneharb gangs, my Megathron can't match the awesomeness of my Armageddon.
Please fix this horrible imbalance. I crosstrained AND STILL THIS IMBALANCE EXISTS!!!
Sincerely, lil j0n |
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.22 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: lil j0n - For station undock RR fleet, my Armageddon can't match the awesomeness of my Megathron.
Try the Hype. Seriously. Nobody's moving anyway.....
-Liang |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.01.22 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire And then you enter sleipnir after flying absolution and astarte previously and run "omfg awesome". Yeah projectile boost just imbalanced field command class so much that pretty much there is no alternative to sleipnir. It both outdamages and outtanks astarte and abso plus is fastest of em all.
Not to say that med acs coupled with speed of minnie boats and tes can tear tacklers apart in seconds /unlike pulses or blaster, hmls at least do 20 damage per volley heh/. |
Mish'Kala
Minmatar Eye of Osiris EDGE Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.22 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: La5eR grow some patience balls
These 4 words make the tread worthwhile. |
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