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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:05:00 -
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http://torrentfreak.com/tvshack-the-human-cost-of-extradition-a-mothers-story-110712/
http://www.change.org/petitions/ukhomeoffice-stop-the-extradition-of-richard-o-dwyer-to-the-usa-saverichard
normally I'd not bring RL issues into game like this, but this guy needs help, if this goes ahead it's going to set a very dangerous legal precedent, So i'd like to ask anyone and everyone in eve to please sign the petition and help stop this. I'd also be grateful to anyone who also re posts the petition on their fb, twitter etc, please for the love of god HELP!!!!! |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:28:00 -
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Where are the lawyers? (I think Brits call them solicitors.) Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
36
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:37:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Where are the lawyers? (I think Brits call them solicitors.) IN court, it's headed to the high court far as I know which is one of the last courts avail, after that maybe the supreme court in britain if not the european courts.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
124
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:15:00 -
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http://torrentfreak.com/pirating-uk-student-to-be-extradited-to-the-us-120313/
A more recent article. Looks like his extradition was approved. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
476
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:18:00 -
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Don't worry guys, I got some friends on the inside. I'll smuggle some smokes in and they'll make sure he's protected from the pain train. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
37
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:27:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:http://torrentfreak.com/pirating-uk-student-to-be-extradited-to-the-us-120313/
A more recent article. Looks like his extradition was approved.
I linked the original article so people can read from there and follow things from the get go on the backstory as said this guy really does need help |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:36:00 -
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WOW... US can pretty much grab a foreign citizen in his own country, bring him, sentence him, jail him... I think US is overpowered and need to be nerfed / re-balanced. |
Trin Xi
115
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:04:00 -
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His case should probably be referred to the EFF... They may represent him pro bono: https://www.eff.org/
There are others in the U.S. that would likely also take the case. Linking is not hosting. |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:05:00 -
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Before anyone says this is BS - remember this:
Other countries can and do recognize US Copyright laws. (aka Berne & UCC conventions) The UK has the authority to approve this individual being tried and convicted in the US. It is the UK that is extraditing him to the US.
I hold some of my own copyrights and don't want people distributing my work just because they feel entitled to. Sorry, I worked my arse off on that material and nobody is entitled for free to it just because they feel they are.
That being said - he shouldn't be extradited. The UK can try and convict him of breaking copyright laws on UK soil and in their own courts. The UK & US are making this into a dog & pony show. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
90
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:37:00 -
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Totalrx wrote: That being said - he shouldn't be extradited. The UK can try and convict him of breaking copyright laws on UK soil and in their own courts. The UK & US are making this into a dog & pony show.
That's the important part here. Are we all now supposed to be judged before US courts and held imprisoned in the US? I think not! They already went over the line with illegal abductions of muslim suspects (some of them innocent and release after years without ever seeing a judge). Now they are trying to grab the average citizen who did - or did not - minor crimes* OUTSIDE the US!
* It's not even clear that he actually did something illegal. He supposedly just shared links to other servers. Which was not illegal before and hopefully will never be. He's kind of in the same situation with Kim Schmitz, with the difference that KS is wealthy and has good lawyers.
Signed the petition. |
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Zleon Leigh
161
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:15:00 -
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Why do you people think it should be okay for people to steal? Okay, how about helping others steal? He broke the law, he gets to defend himself in a court, and he can pay for his crimes if convicted. If he's not convicted I'm sure the US will be happy to export his ass back to the UK.
Stop with the thinking that there is a free lunch for everyone.
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
153
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:15:00 -
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This is just wrong. No one should face extradition for such petty crimes. World Police strike again... fml
If this does go through this countries gone to ****. No balls any more.
Zleon Leigh wrote:Why do you people think it should be okay for people to steal? Okay, how about helping others steal? He broke the law, he gets to defend himself in a court, and he can pay for his crimes if convicted. If he's not convicted I'm sure the US will be happy to export his ass back to the UK.
Stop with the thinking that there is a free lunch for everyone.
This isn't about whether the law was broken or not. A UK court dropped the charges on a UK citizen. That's as far as it should've gotten.
edit- In terms of a whether he broke a crime or not; I dont see any charges of the sort brought against google, yahoo or bing. Basically it's bullshit.
edit-edit- argh this makes me so ******* angry |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:21:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Why do you people think it should be okay for people to steal? Okay, how about helping others steal? He broke the law, he gets to defend himself in a court, and he can pay for his crimes if convicted. If he's not convicted I'm sure the US will be happy to export his ass back to the UK.
Stop with the thinking that there is a free lunch for everyone.
Dumbest thing I read all day. By that same logic US citizens should be brought to Saudi Arabia because they violated Saudi law.
Its is people like you, and those with similar opinions to you, that enable the kind of crap we see every day. And more of it. You should do some reflections on your views. |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:21:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Totalrx wrote: That being said - he shouldn't be extradited. The UK can try and convict him of breaking copyright laws on UK soil and in their own courts. The UK & US are making this into a dog & pony show.
That's the important part here. Are we all now supposed to be judged before US courts and held imprisoned in the US? I think not! They already went over the line with illegal abductions of muslim suspects (some of them innocent and release after years without ever seeing a judge). Now they are trying to grab the average citizen who did - or did not - minor crimes* OUTSIDE the US! * It's not even clear that he actually did something illegal. He supposedly just shared links to other servers. Which was not illegal before and hopefully will never be. He's kind of in the same situation with Kim Schmitz, with the difference that KS is wealthy and has good lawyers. Signed the petition.
Totalrx wrote:It is the UK that is extraditing him to the US.
You missed that part.
The US is requesting he be extradited.
The UK is the country that is going to extradite this person.
The US can only extradite people in the US.
Wanna blame someone for him being extradited, blame the UK |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
38
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:40:00 -
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The point being what he did was not and IS NOT a crime in Britain, if you read the article, his server was based in Britain, he lives in Britain and has NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF BRITAIN. This comes down to jurisdiction based on server location, something which was settled a LONG TIME AGO with regards to online retailers and online sales, if you buy from a US retailer, you are bound by the state law where that retailer is based, if you buy from a British retailer, your bound by British statue retail law (IE sale of goods act, distance selling directive etc) if this goes through it sets a dangerous legal precedent and flips things on their heads, IE you buy from a US retailer, and are based in Britain, the retailer is bound by British statute retail law and if you buy from a British retailer and are based in the states the retailer is bound by US state law, even when its something like a digital download etc?
Regardless what is being done is just plain WRONG and to put it another way, if in the states you choose to invoke your first amendment right and post on a US server you own, "**** china you inbred c**ts, I hope your ruling party goes down in flames" (and please note i'm just using this as a example and don't mean the sentiment etc) and you have a domain with a Chinese based domain company, should china be able to extradite you to mainland china for breaking one of their laws based on censorship to do with things expressed about their government, even though you've NEVER left the states in your entire life, your server is based in the states and what you've done is legal where you've used your first amendment right? |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:49:00 -
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I'm not going to argue the state of Corporate America or the US Gov't here. I've lost faith in both.
Britain acknowledges and upholds US Copyright laws. I'll say it again - look up the Berne & UCC conventions and you'll understand.
Someone in the US filed charges and the UK is willing to comply.
That doesn't mean that the US can extend its angry arm and try citizens in other countries at will. That other country has to agree to it.
Even though it is a case where US law was broken on British soil, it is Britain that is allowing this to happen. The British government could have very well sent a raspberry to the request and that would have been it. No, instead, British authorities are going to extradite a British citizen, who violated another country's laws on British soil, to that country to be tried and possibly convicted.
The British government is the entity that is letting this happen folks.
Countries search other countries for people on their wanted list all the time. Even if they find them, it's up to the other country to allow their extradition.
I don't agree with this, but everyone is jumping on the "Blame the US" bandwagon when it should be "Blame the US entertainment industry lawyers and blame Britain's government for giving him to the US government" |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
38
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:53:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:I'm not going to argue the state of Corporate America or the US Gov't here. I've lost faith in both.
Britain acknowledges and upholds US Copyright laws. I'll say it again - look up the Berne & UCC conventions and you'll understand.
Someone in the US filed charges and the UK is willing to comply.
That doesn't mean that the US can extend its angry arm and try citizens in other countries at will. That other country has to agree to it.
Even though it is a case where US law was broken on British soil, it is Britain that is allowing this to happen. The British government could have very well sent a raspberry to the request and that would have been it. No, instead, British authorities are going to extradite a British citizen, who violated another country's laws on British soil, to that country to be tried and possibly convicted.
The British government is the entity that is letting this happen folks.
Countries search other countries for people on their wanted list all the time. Even if they find them, it's up to the other country to allow their extradition.
and the petitions a way for trying to force the British government to actually do what they should have done in the first place and said NO, regardless bar the US and British governments all agree whats happening and besides saying "wtf??" are all agreeing what is happening is just plain WRONG.
and for people that have signed the petition, THANK YOU.
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Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:55:00 -
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Too bad cyber petitions do not hold any legal weight. They are too easy to sign more than once which will nullify any legal clout the real ones with real signatures have. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
38
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:04:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:Too bad cyber petitions do not hold any legal weight. They are too easy to sign more than once which will nullify any legal clout the real ones with real signatures have.
funnily enough petitions were one of the reasons for sopa/pipa got withdraw.... |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:14:00 -
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I didn't say they weren't useful for awareness, I just stated that internet signed petitions have no legal standing |
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Izziee
University of Izziee
63
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:43:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Why do you people think it should be okay for people to steal? Okay, how about helping others steal? He broke the law, he gets to defend himself in a court, and he can pay for his crimes if convicted. If he's not convicted I'm sure the US will be happy to export his ass back to the UK.
Stop with the thinking that there is a free lunch for everyone.
I don't think it's illegal for someone to tell another that X person doesn't lock their door.
It's illegal for someone to go and steal from the person who didn't lock their door though.
AFAIK, He didn't host anything.
A little extract
Quote:A study by Channel 4 News in March 2012 found the UK had accepted 75 extradition requests from the US, refused seven and had 52 still pending. The US had accepted 40 UK extradition requests, with a further 17 cases pending.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/25/tom-watson-richard-odwyer-extradition?newsfeed=true
Considering the UK has 60 million people and the US has what, 313 million? It just shows how they like to jump up and down about things. (They've also not refused the UK which, imo is just as bad, though I don't know the cases obviously, but the ease at which they just chuck a life away and ship them off to another country is a bit iffy. Though, again, I don't know the cases and how serious they were, but judging by THIS "crime" (to the US, not to the UK so hardly a crime) it makes me wonder.
I've also read it's illegal for an American citizen to smoke a Cuban cigar in the UK, even though their legal here.
BTW, GOOGLE, (which if I'm not mistaken (I might be :p) is an American company), hosts links to the exact same thing (and much worse) as does Yahoo. Don't these companies, make a whole boat load of cash from adverts. Yes, yes they do. What's the actual difference? |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
38
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:19:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:I didn't say they weren't useful for awareness, I just stated that internet signed petitions have no legal standing The guy still needs to be prosecuted though. Just on British soil. As a person who worked for over two decades in the entertainment industry, I don't support theft or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works. it's already been throught the legal system on the issue of linking, linking was ruled legal and not illegal.
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Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:55:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:Totalrx wrote:I didn't say they weren't useful for awareness, I just stated that internet signed petitions have no legal standing The guy still needs to be prosecuted though. Just on British soil. As a person who worked for over two decades in the entertainment industry, I don't support theft or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works. it's already been throught the legal system on the issue of linking, linking was ruled legal and not illegal.
I will honestly admit that I missed the part that he was merely linking the content.
100% ggreed, but that is changing here in the US. Very scary territory that things are headed into.
Here's the article along with a copy of the original investigation complaint: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/10/new-york-man-faces-five-years-in-jail-for-linking-to-online-videos/
I would venture to say that the basis is that people who link are participating in the distribution of unauthorized reproductions of copyrighted material. I don't agree with it, but that appears to be where they are headed. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
39
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:19:00 -
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one thing the pirate partys in europe have been trying for is a reform of copyright law, have a read and see what you think.
http://www.copyrightreform.eu/ |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
39
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:37:00 -
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But my example about the first amendment example I still stand by.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1832
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:52:00 -
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Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?
Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
41
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:15:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?
Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you.
actually your wrong on that part, in Britain linking is NOT illegal, secondly you would rightly assume because you are NOT committing any offense within your own country which might break another country's that you couldn't be extradited from your country where what you are doing is legal to another country where what you are doing is illegal. see my example about the first amendment, if you did what I put in that example you would NOT expect to get extradited from the states to china for doing something that is your first amendment right eve if some might find it offensive and it breaks the law in another country.
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Izziee
University of Izziee
64
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:58:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?
Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you.
Yes, we do. Because A BRITISH citizen doing nothing illegal in BRITAIN while he is in BRITAIN means he should be tried by a BRITISH judge, or sorry, not tried at all, since ya' know, it's not illegal.
As you said, AMERICAN law, NOT British, nor is it international law.
Seems you're not intelligent enough to recognise that he operated a site that broke no laws to his country, There's been numerous claims where judges laughed the case right out of court. |
Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:29:00 -
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Izziee wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Do we really need to discuss why British judges don't need to be trying people for the violation of American laws?
Also...why are people STILL surprised by stuff like this? If you're intelligent enough to operate such a site, you're intelligent enough to understand that copyright and extradition laws are against you. Yes, we do. Because A BRITISH citizen doing nothing illegal in BRITAIN while he is in BRITAIN means he should be tried by a BRITISH judge, or sorry, not tried at all, since ya' know, it's not illegal. As you said, AMERICAN law, NOT British, nor is it international law. Seems you're not intelligent enough to recognise that he operated a site that broke no laws to his country, There's been numerous claims where judges laughed the case right out of court. You're resorting to personal insults. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_international_copyright_agreements They count as British laws. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1637
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:33:00 -
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Remember: If the United States ends up having to be invaded like Germany, DO NOT ignore the people here who have worked hard trying to put a stop to this.
In fact we have lists of the people you will want to arrest for their war crimes as well as the people who have hijacked and cheated the elections systems preventing a peaceful removal of the present regime.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
128
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:33:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Remember: If the United States ends up having to be invaded like Germany, DO NOT ignore the people here who have worked hard trying to put a stop to this.
In fact we have lists of the people you will want to arrest for their war crimes as well as the people who have hijacked and cheated the elections systems preventing a peaceful removal of the present regime.
Never fear, we`ll quietly absorb Canada before you` ll need to invade. There probably won't even be bloodshed so it might even go unnoticed. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:08:00 -
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This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.
What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.
It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
52
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:02:00 -
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eitehr way I ask that people sign this to stop this happening, come what may it's not right and as the protests involving sopa and pipa show, you CAN make a difference. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1623
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:58:00 -
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I would've just bribed the embassy staff to shoot him. Problem solved and you can make up any story you want |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.29 17:40:00 -
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ICE is so overzealous about apprehending anything and everything that it's almost comical. 'ICE Presents Brasil Minister of Culture with Old Cracked Bowl it Confiscated in the U.S.' 'ICE Confiscates Degas Scribble from Old Lady and Returns it to Heirs of Likely Owner in Italy' Their P.R. unit works overtime bragging up every little thing they do. http://www.ice.gov/news/ |
Cierejai
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:16:00 -
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IIshira wrote:This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.
What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.
It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future.
The US signed extradition treaties with a lot of countries. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
52
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:44:00 -
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Cierejai wrote:IIshira wrote:This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.
What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.
It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future. The US signed extradition treaties with a lot of countries.
And generally them seem stacked in the US's favor kinda makes you wonder what terms they offered in exchange for the "balance" towards US interests thats not to say the US gets its own way all the time...
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
646
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:57:00 -
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Well, I have boycotted the established music industry for over a decade now because of their ancient and broken business practices.
I happily support bands that hasn't signed their asses to a record company, and it feels good to know that they actually get all of it unlike those fools that signed up. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:49:00 -
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Cierejai wrote:IIshira wrote:This is scary! How could a citizen of one country get extradited to a country he's never been to for something that isn't illegal in his country.
What next... Get extradited to Iran for breaking some law there? I'll admit that would never happen with the current political relationship between the two countries but who's to say ten years from now.
It sets a bad precedent for something much worse in the future. The US signed extradition treaties with a lot of countries.
This is true but normally committing a crime requires being in that country. Say for instance a person goes to the US and murders someone they can bring him back.
So the record company that owns rights to the song is in the US so we are going to charge them by US law.... I understand the music industry has to make a buck but putting this guy in a US prison just to make an example out of him isn't the right thing to do.
So if the artist is from Mexico are you going to extradite and put someone in a Mexican prison? They'll be lucky to be alive after a few years... |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
53
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Posted - 2012.07.04 00:01:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Well, I have boycotted the established music industry for over a decade now because of their ancient and broken business practices.
I happily support bands that hasn't signed their asses to a record company, and it feels good to know that they actually get all of it unlike those fools that signed up.
which case might be interested to know the founder of megavideo etc, is still going ahead with the megabox idea/business plan.
http://torrentfreak.com/top-artists-line-up-for-kim-dotcoms-megabox-120629/
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
53
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Posted - 2012.07.04 12:23:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:you CAN make a difference.
as this shows:
http://torrentfreak.com/acta-is-dead-after-european-parliament-vote-120704/ |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
551
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:00:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Remember: If the United States ends up having to be invaded like Germany, DO NOT ignore the people here who have worked hard trying to put a stop to this.
In fact we have lists of the people you will want to arrest for their war crimes as well as the people who have hijacked and cheated the elections systems preventing a peaceful removal of the present regime.
It could come down to an invasion of germany actually. With them not accepting this, america can choose to no longer sell our goods there. It is kind of fair. The reason for invasion is, that some germans may still want out goods and thuse download them illegally. Most likely the US would just ask for germany to send those people over so we could try them. Of course Germany could refuse that and harbor him while he downloads more products. Thus US would have to invade germany ( most likey just his house, but that is still in germany).
Who knows what will happen though. Right now looks like WoW will be hard for europeans to play or blizzard games perhaps. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
53
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:13:00 -
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lol yep there's a separate thread for that :)
I used the link from the article to highlight the fact that enough people speak out then things can get changed and that people can actually make a tangible difference :)
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
53
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Posted - 2012.07.08 02:36:00 -
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IIshira wrote: the artist is from Mexico are you going to extradite and put someone in a Mexican prison? They'll be lucky to be alive after a few years...
you can be damn sure in that case the US government would be blocking the request lol
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