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Ai Mei
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Posted - 2010.01.25 00:38:00 -
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Where were you when ccp Tanis asked for everyone to come to the test server to re-create fleet battles?
where were you when he asked for everyone to do a huge stress test?
I was there and I saw more people from empire / low sec / faction warfare alliances than I did 0.0 alliances.
So instead of complaining and starting up unlimited forum threads, why not ask CCP to organize another test server stress test with you alliances and hopefully find it. And you know maybe try to actually help ccp by sending feed back of what you were doing, what was going on around you, location and system stats so they can make a full analysis.
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Olivor
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Posted - 2010.01.25 00:42:00 -
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I think most people were logged on to TQ making sure there space was safe. You do know most of 0.0 is at war right now yeah?
Think we were just to ~gentlemen's agreement~ and test everything?
I'm sure everyone in 0.0 is so honourable no one would have attacked each other during that test. Anything that was coming out of reinforced would definitely not be attacked.
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Mistress Servelan
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei Where were you when ccp Tanis asked for everyone to come to the test server to re-create fleet battles?
where were you when he asked for everyone to do a huge stress test?
..because we pay to do their job. k.
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Berneh
Gallente Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Olivor I think most people were logged on to TQ making sure there space was safe. You do know most of 0.0 is at war right now yeah?
Think we were just to ~gentlemen's agreement~ and test everything?
I'm sure everyone in 0.0 is so honourable no one would have attacked each other during that test. Anything that was coming out of reinforced would definitely not be attacked.
I fart in your general direction sir ! :P
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Korizan
Red Mercury Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Servelan ..because we pay to do their job. k.
I love responses like this. How do you propose they simulate 1400 people fighting in one system who are logging in around the world ?
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Evlyna
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei So instead of complaining and starting up unlimited forum threads...
Welcome to the bandwagon?
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Korizan
Originally by: Mistress Servelan ..because we pay to do their job. k.
I love responses like this. How do you propose they simulate 1400 people fighting in one system who are logging in around the world ?
I dunno, they could... you know... watch a live fleet battle on TQ. That just might work.
Or use bots for internal mass testing like every other MMO company does. Being different is nice and all, but taking it to the point that the players suffer for it? Really?
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:33:00 -
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The last time we brought a lot of people to one of those events people complained about us joining.. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio
I dunno, they could... you know... watch a live fleet battle on TQ. That just might work.
Or use bots for internal mass testing like every other MMO company does. Being different is nice and all, but taking it to the point that the players suffer for it? Really?
no - not when it will kill the server
enable logging on everything and then work backwards
just join the new test on wednesday in fact go and get a sisi client sorted and move you self to the general area, now
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Mistress Servelan
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Korizan
Originally by: Mistress Servelan ..because we pay to do their job. k.
I love responses like this. How do you propose they simulate 1400 people fighting in one system who are logging in around the world ?
I don't propose anything. That's the job of others.
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Denidil
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: Korizan
Originally by: Mistress Servelan ..because we pay to do their job. k.
I love responses like this. How do you propose they simulate 1400 people fighting in one system who are logging in around the world ?
I dunno, they could... you know... watch a live fleet battle on TQ. That just might work.
Or use bots for internal mass testing like every other MMO company does. Being different is nice and all, but taking it to the point that the players suffer for it? Really?
i would like to point out that bots won't have the same network properties as real players.
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:16:00 -
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I guess you were not with us on MM comms for the sisi test. Plenty of us showed up to test. I dare say more than half of the participants were from 0.0 space holding alliances.
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arjparking
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: arjparking on 25/01/2010 13:19:26 i saw some atlas and some mm. 150 people wasnt enough at all to test something. if u want to show up on wednesday then prepare your client in time. might take longer than u think with all the settings and stuff.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:32:00 -
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im sorry i still have to laugh at this everyone and i mean everyone in this game knows that dominion has caused this issue yes it was laggy but it was laggy with 800 in system and still playerable now we have 200 in system and its impossible dominion is unstable with node crashes everywhere roll back and then fix it at this moment peeps are paying for an unplayerble game. im quite sure that if this issue was market not working or as soon as you activated a mining laser the node would crash im sure we would have a bigger moan.
players are not doing anything different from the last patch to this so whats changed hmmm
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Darth Satanicus
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: bloody johnroberts
players are not doing anything different from the last patch to this so whats changed hmmm
It has been happening since dominion yes, but it can be fixed. CCP are obviously looking for the cause of the lag and need people on the test server to help recreate certain conditions, how are they supposed to fix it if the very people they are trying to help turn a blind eye when called upon to help.
Roll backs and such wont fix the problem, I don't see why its so hard to understand.
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: arjparking Edited by: arjparking on 25/01/2010 13:19:26 i saw some atlas and some mm. 150 people wasnt enough at all to test something. if u want to show up on wednesday then prepare your client in time. might take longer than u think with all the settings and stuff.
Yes, by "plenty of us" I meant "us" to refer to those who made the effort to show up. The turnout was far below my expectations, but CCP was able to mimic fleet lag after they spawned several hundred sleeper npcs on us. If they want good numbers take TQ down for a couple hours, call it a crash, we're all used to them by now.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei Where were you when ccp Tanis asked for everyone to come to the test server to re-create fleet battles?
where were you when he asked for everyone to do a huge stress test?
I was probably at work or out with my friends. I'm not in the habit of giving up my free time to test other peoples broken crap for free. Especially when they ignore previous feedback and bugged stuff still makes it into release. |
SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:43:00 -
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PS: I totally called it if the source of the lag is the fleet finder and/or loot logging.
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Ick Ickagami
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei Where were you when ccp Tanis asked for everyone to come to the test server to re-create fleet battles?
where were you when he asked for everyone to do a huge stress test?
I was there and I saw more people from empire / low sec / faction warfare alliances than I did 0.0 alliances.
So instead of complaining and starting up unlimited forum threads, why not ask CCP to organize another test server stress test with you alliances and hopefully find it. And you know maybe try to actually help ccp by sending feed back of what you were doing, what was going on around you, location and system stats so they can make a full analysis.
It is not in the interest of nullsec alliances to fix the lag. If the lag were fixed, actual combat tactics would return to the game, and the blob warfare and who-gets-setup-in-system-first-wins garbage would be gone. They can't have that, see? They've forgotten what tactics are, relying on the blob and pre-positioning lazinedd in order to "win".
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MAXSuicide
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.01.25 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 25/01/2010 15:03:35
Originally by: Ai Mei Where were you when ccp Tanis asked for everyone to come to the test server to re-create fleet battles?
where were you when he asked for everyone to do a huge stress test?
I was there and I saw more people from empire / low sec / faction warfare alliances than I did 0.0 alliances.
So instead of complaining and starting up unlimited forum threads, why not ask CCP to organize another test server stress test with you alliances and hopefully find it. And you know maybe try to actually help ccp by sending feed back of what you were doing, what was going on around you, location and system stats so they can make a full analysis.
lets go one better and ask them why the **** they are moaning and crying in disbelief at the fact they cant all have perfect gameplay when theres 3000 in a ****ing system at once. And thats just one location of many where huge-scale fighting is taking place.
CCP have taken gigantic strides since the game was released in 2003 to enable ever larger numbers of players to fight it out in a system but id like one of these whining ****s to tell me where the tech is they know of that can improve the capabilities from limited to around 100 in 2004 to now over 3000 merely 5-6 years later.
Can anyone also point out to me a game where such numbers can play together? i dont believe there is one.
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Silver Tongues
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Posted - 2010.01.25 15:28:00 -
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They're doing another Lag test on Sisi, this coming Wednesday. Grab your sisi ready client and help out with the testing, unless you're ok with the current lag in 0.0 and other fleet battles.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1257211
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.25 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Can anyone also point out to me a game where such numbers can play together? i dont believe there is one.
Eve Online, pre dominion. |
Dravius Luxor
Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:01:00 -
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OP, this is hopelessly childish, the same goes for any other fanbois in this thread.
You are blaming the players for the lag. That is not their responsibility, and I say "they", because Eve has been barely operable for me since Dominion.
CCP advertises huge fleet battles, and cannot support them. CCP encourages huge fleet battles, yet cannot provide the technology to allow them. I simply cannot understand why so many people troll these threads sticking up for them!
... Or EVEN WORSE, blaming the people in 0.0 alliances for the lag! So many threads in the last few days with people like you clinging to the idea that the players have broken Eve by not doing the Devs' work for them, it's completely insane!
I use Sisi myself, but I tell you, it's rarely worth the effort, with the patch nightmares and installation corruptions that come with it.
I for one am delighted to see so many people taking the initiative to come to the forums and post about the problems, because it's the only time CCP listens! I hate the fact that they pay so much attention to what is posted here, but sometimes it's necessary. Falcon, anyone?
As someone who merely trades, and explores, and has nothing to do with 0.0 alliances - I can confirm that Eve is broken for me too. It needs fixing, whether it works for you or not. The players are customers, not contributors, whether you like it or not. People will get involved in huge fleet battles (that's what the game is for, right?) whether it suits you or not!
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:24:00 -
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I personally doubt you were present or else you would have noticed that the entire Morsus Mihi alliance seemed to be there.
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Hecatonis
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:36:00 -
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god you people are lazy nobs
you ***** about the lag, you ***** about the crashes, but you cannot be bothered to help fix it by giving the dev team what they need for maybe 2 hours out of your day.
get on the test server and help fix the problem, i hope i an get out of class in time to be on there. if you are unwilling to do anything about it, get rid of eve and stop giving them your money
PS can i have your stuff?
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dravius Luxor
... Or EVEN WORSE, blaming the people in 0.0 alliances for the lag! So many threads in the last few days with people like you clinging to the idea that the players have broken Eve by not doing the Devs' work for them, it's completely insane!
Helping them, HELPING THEM , diagnose and fix the problem is not doing their work for them. All you people are doing is whining like a bunch of little babies, and doing nothing to solve the issues, just waiting for mommy to do everything for you. If you aren't getting on sisi for the stress tests, you aren't helping, and have no right to complain.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:00:00 -
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to the OP: That CCP schedules these tests @ 17:00 means that players in many time zones are excluded by default. For example, in North / Central / South America, most pilots are earning a living or schooling themselves up to be slaves to THE MAN. That removes a lot of potential "testers" from the field.
But we really should be addressing what others have touched upon above:
1) Why is CCP not using the production server data to understand and resolve this issue? Participation levels vastly exceed what has been requested for these tests and just about every test case scenario is being executed for CCP observers, data collectors and analysts.
2) When will CCP advance to where they have automated tools to simulate 300 pilots clicking "jump" on a gate with the related logs? CCP has some very intelligent employees and they have relevant QA job openings waiting to be filled. I am confident that they can create a solution.
Additionally, this "live" testing in non-production environments could easily be mimicked by CCP employees on their lunch break if all they need is 50 pilots. There is little of greater importance then fixing this show-stopping performance plague, atm.
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MAXSuicide
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Can anyone also point out to me a game where such numbers can play together? i dont believe there is one.
Eve Online, pre dominion.
uhm.. No.
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dravius Luxor I use Sisi myself, but I tell you, it's rarely worth the effort, with the patch nightmares and installation corruptions that come with it.
I gave up on sisi for that reason .... I have a computer here that had 4 installation corruptions in a row (yeah deleted the hidden folders etc after the first one) ... I can well imagine that CCP are losing possible new subscribers because people cant install the damn game |
Sumelar
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara to the OP: That CCP schedules these tests @ 17:00 means that players in many time zones are excluded by default. For example, in North / Central / South America, most pilots are earning a living or schooling themselves up to be slaves to THE MAN. That removes a lot of potential "testers" from the field.
But we really should be addressing what others have touched upon above:
1) Why is CCP not using the production server data to understand and resolve this issue? Participation levels vastly exceed what has been requested for these tests and just about every test case scenario is being executed for CCP observers, data collectors and analysts.
2) When will CCP advance to where they have automated tools to simulate 300 pilots clicking "jump" on a gate with the related logs? CCP has some very intelligent employees and they have relevant QA job openings waiting to be filled. I am confident that they can create a solution.
Additionally, this "live" testing in non-production environments could easily be mimicked by CCP employees on their lunch break if all they need is 50 pilots. There is little of greater importance then fixing this show-stopping performance plague, atm.
Probably because the test server has built in tools to, I don't know, test things which the live server doesn't have. And before you ask, it would just clutter up tranq to have them, when they can use a separate server to have a more controlled environment. This is why every MMO ever has had a test server.
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