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Zoe Midoru
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.01.25 07:42:00 -
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I've gotten a real taste for WH ops and life over the last few weeks. However, I've run into a problem. Most of the corps that I've looked into that live and work in w-space armor tank their way through life. But to this point, I've been a shield-tanking Caldari missile *****.
I need to decide what race to train into as an alternative to Caldari. I've looked hard at Gallente and Amarr both. I'm told that the Proteus eats the Legion's lunch, but I really prefer Amarr for BCs and BBs. I do admit that my practical knowledge of either is limited, so maybe I'm misinformed, or maybe I'm on crack.
In any case, I'd really appreciate any insight people have to offer on the issues involved.
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PLEXie
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Posted - 2010.01.25 08:04:00 -
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Go amarr, some of their T2 ships use missiles too hehe :) besides I believe that Lasers are a bit more range versatile than Hybrids, and sleepers dont care about damage type.
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Battleduck
Caldari Auctoritas Fleet
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:17:00 -
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Depends on where you are flying mate, what class wh, what anomalies etc etc.
What I think you should do, Is get a scorpion and some jamming skills. Have your mates fit remote armor repairers and fit a buffer with high resists, some faction eanms would be nice, 2 1600mm plates and trimarks to go with that.
All serious WH people understands the INSANE advantages of having a scorpion around for anything over C2 wh ops. Why?
1. All who can shoot will spend most of their time shooting at you, making it easy for some corp mates to RR you, making you less cap-dependant and taking annoying huge local tanks on every ship obsolete 2. Cruises suck so you will fit all your highs with armor-rr for corpmates ships 3. Roaming HAC/Recon gangs tend to avoid WH-gangs with scorpions because scorpions jam stuff 4. You will shut out A LOT of the sleepers dps, a very important thing in higher class Mag/Radar sites. 5. Scorpions are asymmetrical
win
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arbalesttom
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Battleduck Depends on where you are flying mate, what class wh, what anomalies etc etc.
What I think you should do, Is get a scorpion and some jamming skills. Have your mates fit remote armor repairers and fit a buffer with high resists, some faction eanms would be nice, 2 1600mm plates and trimarks to go with that.
All serious WH people understands the INSANE advantages of having a scorpion around for anything over C2 wh ops. Why?
1. All who can shoot will spend most of their time shooting at you, making it easy for some corp mates to RR you, making you less cap-dependant and taking annoying huge local tanks on every ship obsolete 2. Cruises suck so you will fit all your highs with armor-rr for corpmates ships 3. Roaming HAC/Recon gangs tend to avoid WH-gangs with scorpions because scorpions jam stuff 4. You will shut out A LOT of the sleepers dps, a very important thing in higher class Mag/Radar sites. 5. Scorpions are asymmetrical
win
The Scorpion might have been even better if it was
V e r t i c a l ***Sig***
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Zoe Midoru
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.01.25 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Battleduck Depends on where you are flying mate, what class wh, what anomalies etc etc.
What I think you should do, Is get a scorpion and some jamming skills. Have your mates fit remote armor repairers and fit a buffer with high resists, some faction eanms would be nice, 2 1600mm plates and trimarks to go with that.
All serious WH people understands the INSANE advantages of having a scorpion around for anything over C2 wh ops. Why?
1. All who can shoot will spend most of their time shooting at you, making it easy for some corp mates to RR you, making you less cap-dependant and taking annoying huge local tanks on every ship obsolete 2. Cruises suck so you will fit all your highs with armor-rr for corpmates ships 3. Roaming HAC/Recon gangs tend to avoid WH-gangs with scorpions because scorpions jam stuff 4. You will shut out A LOT of the sleepers dps, a very important thing in higher class Mag/Radar sites. 5. Scorpions are asymmetrical
win
I have heard that Scorpions can be very good in an anti-Sleeper role (and in PvP as ECM platforms). Some of the corps I'm looking into don't seem very interested in having a Scorpion pilot, though. And, in any case, I already have most of the skills I'd need to make it work.
Which leads me back to my original question (though I appreciate your well-thought-out post; all too rare in this age).
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Slaith Criid
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:17:00 -
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I would go Amarr route for cross training.
Reasons:
1. No need to haul loads of ammo in your cargo hold ( crystals FTW ) leaving room for loot and salvage
2. Amarr Battlecruiser class ships have the great gank ( Harby ) or tank ( Proph ). so you have options.
3. Cross training to Amarr from Caldari will open up the Sansha pirate faction class ships
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Arrowyx
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:38:00 -
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Amarr. Sleepers don't care about what damage type you deal and lasers give you far more flexibility in terms of engagement range. Also you wont have to deal with the logistics of hauling in new ammo since t1 crystals last forever.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zoe Midoru
I have heard that Scorpions can be very good in an anti-Sleeper role (and in PvP as ECM platforms). Some of the corps I'm looking into don't seem very interested in having a Scorpion pilot, though. And, in any case, I already have most of the skills I'd need to make it work.
Which leads me back to my original question (though I appreciate your well-thought-out post; all too rare in this age).
I have no idea why they wouldn't want one.
Scorpions are excellent for Sleepers for all the reasons listed above. To keep it short, Scorpions can control a sleeper battle. Build around them, and you'll run it with ease.
What's great as well is that there isn't much difference between the Scorpion WH fit and the PvP fit. Either way, you're going to be jamming targets and offering support. One less ship you need to cram into the WH.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Zoe Midoru
I have heard that Scorpions can be very good in an anti-Sleeper role (and in PvP as ECM platforms). Some of the corps I'm looking into don't seem very interested in having a Scorpion pilot, though. And, in any case, I already have most of the skills I'd need to make it work.
Which leads me back to my original question (though I appreciate your well-thought-out post; all too rare in this age).
I have no idea why they wouldn't want one.
Scorpions are excellent for Sleepers for all the reasons listed above. To keep it short, Scorpions can control a sleeper battle. Build around them, and you'll run it with ease.
What's great as well is that there isn't much difference between the Scorpion WH fit and the PvP fit. Either way, you're going to be jamming targets and offering support. One less ship you need to cram into the WH.
Maybe it's not that they don't want a scorpion, but that they don't want another scorpion. They have enough ECM/bait, and really need damage dealers now. Anywho, not relevant to the OP's interests.
I'd have recommended Minmatar for the typhoon, letting your missile skills carry over (now it's largely an armor-tanked raven). However, if you really don't want Minmatar, I'd definitely choose Amarr, they're looking really strong at the moment (although, in terms of cyclical balance, Gallente should be next on the boost list). _________
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Zoe Midoru
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:47:00 -
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Anybody got an opinion on the Legion vs Proteus issue?
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:11:00 -
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Look for a corp established in a system with a Pulsar. Shield tanking heaven (and you wouldn't believe what it does to a broadsword....)
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Battleduck
Caldari Auctoritas Fleet
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:08:00 -
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To be honest, this topic is only worth replying to because of the guy saying that scorps would own if they were vertical.
OP, you want answers? If so how about you throw some intel our way?
1. What class wormholes are you going to do? 2. How do you rep? Local tanks, rr or dual logistics? Prayer? 3. Are you going to have a set up base to operate from, like a POS? 4. Are you going to be in WH's with a particular anomaly? 5. How many of you are there? 6. What ships are already fielded by your corp?
For the Legion vs Proteus, I'd go with the Legion. The proteus largest advantage in battle is that it has a INSANE buffertank, but for PvE you want a active tank. Also a proteus is a gallente ship, which means it either needs railguns (the worst long range weapons) or blasters, that have great damage, but you need to go very very cloes to be able to apply any damage, and you don't want that.
For your information the Tengu is considered to among the far best ships for WH's due to a MASSIVE tank and very good damage at very long range. The only thing a legion has over a tengu is a slight damage increase, but at lesser ranges. I know of people who have done C3's solo with both legions and tengu, with the tengu having a somewhat shorter time per site, in essence giving you a better isk/hour ratio.
I sure hope this helps.
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Zoe Midoru
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.01.26 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Battleduck
1. What class wormholes are you going to do? 2. How do you rep? Local tanks, rr or dual logistics? Prayer? 3. Are you going to have a set up base to operate from, like a POS? 4. Are you going to be in WH's with a particular anomaly? 5. How many of you are there? 6. What ships are already fielded by your corp?
I'm not yet in a WH corp. I'm looking for one and finding that most of them run armor tanks, so I'm pondering cross-training into either Amarr or Gallente. As it happens, I'm about 5 days away from Hull Upgrades V, so with some levels in armor compensation, my T2 tank will be done. But I don't have the spaceship command skill for an armor tanked race, thus the question.
I do expect that the corp I find will be working out of a POS in W-space, and likely will have a tanking strategy more advanced than prayer.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.26 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 26/01/2010 05:06:35
For what it is worth, I live in a C2 with a static to a C3. I also pilot a Scorpion.
The Scorpion makes the hardest C3 sites easy.
The Scorpion needs some rep to handle the odd incoming missile, but nothing else touches it at > 100 km. I have 8x racial ECM fit.
Caldari works best in w-space without RR, and Amarr with RR for harder C4+ sites. Legion seems more effective than Tengu in taking out frigates, and Tengu is better at applying DPS to battleships.
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