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iNtErPlAiN
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Posted - 2010.01.29 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: iNtErPlAiN on 29/01/2010 16:25:09 ok- so i guess my only real concern here is, do i fit cpr's or pdu? have done a lot of research on it but im finding ppl cant come to agreement on it.
As im in the process of fitting one Id appretiate any input/tips from those experienced with these ships- some eft warrioring if fine but wld much rather hear tested setups
What I was thinking:
[Wyvern] Raysere's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Raysere's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Raysere's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Damage Control II
Capital Shield Booster I Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II/Sensor booster/point etc Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Capital Shield Transporter I Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer Remote ECM Burst I/Cloak True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit I
Im considering switching out the CPR's for PDU's. Also considering dropping a CCC for a shield extender as Ive heard its all about buffer these days with mom's
Thanks for listening
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Kenpotchi
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Posted - 2010.01.29 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kenpotchi on 29/01/2010 16:37:42 Rumor has it with the Super Carrier changes and the huge HP buff people are buffer fitting these beasts. Can any one conferm?
From Murixo of Mostly Harmless:
There's no point fitting boosters or SBAs to it anymore, post-patch your HP is so huge they don't do anything. Rely on the carriers in fleet for actual reps. You should be going for "o****buffer" right about now, but don't neglect cap entirely for jumping etc.
Something like this maybe:
[Wyvern, Buffer 1] Damage Control II Tairei's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Tairei's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Tairei's Modified Capacitor Power Relay
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Domination Warp Disruptor
Thon's Modified Cloaking Device True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II
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If you don't like it, don't fly it. Remember it's a fleet ship!
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Dawn Hammer
Amarr High Flyers Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 18:13:00 -
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Kenpotchi's fit is really good. I would personally fit Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic Systems however instead of the CPR's. But that is a preference. Remember, you will not need cap as much as you think as you will be in a fleet situation with standard carriers and triage carriers to give you cap and shield. So go with more shield and shield recharge instead of cap recharge. And don't fit a booster. It takes like half an hour to rep all your shield back with a booster. You need resist, and buffer. So no CCC's, and no CPR's. You will have around 2 million shield, maybe less, maybe more, not sure. And as for the highs, you could fit a transfer, but super carriers are dps caps now, I would only suggest a transfer if your FC wants it, and in that case you would need the CPR's... MAYBE. You always have to remember that there WILL be carriers with cap transfer for you. So just stock up on resist and buffer. And remember, you need the Caldari Navy PDU's, they are the only ones that give more than 5% shield bonus.
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.29 18:38:00 -
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Not all of us can afford 15b/invul ;)
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.01.29 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Murixo Not all of us can afford 15b/invul ;)
*queue in the "OMG you need to spend thrice the value of your SC in mods, or you're not worthy of flying the ship!!!11one" crowd. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.29 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Murixo Not all of us can afford 15b/invul ;)
*queue in the "OMG you need to spend thrice the value of your SC in mods, or you're not worthy of flying the ship!!!11one" crowd.
Why? I was saiying I couldn't afford it.
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N Ano
Caldari Zerg Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Murixo
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Murixo Not all of us can afford 15b/invul ;)
*queue in the "OMG you need to spend thrice the value of your SC in mods, or you're not worthy of flying the ship!!!11one" crowd.
Why? I was saiying I couldn't afford it.
He wasn't talking about you.
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:58:00 -
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Good point, my bad, WTB Reading Comprehesion lvl I
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2010.01.29 21:23:00 -
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something else you mustn't overlook is implants
KVA2000 ( 5% shield) gives almost 500k more HP, ( EFT, so more with hit point boosts) CC8 Cap capacity 5% CR8 Cap Recharge 5%
I would defiantly switch for the CN PDS's Have someone in gang that has the Siege mindlink as well :P an extra 15% shield is always nice
As for loose the shield booster, definatly. to even boost 10% of your shield will take 14 minutes!
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Dawn Hammer
Amarr High Flyers Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Murixo Not all of us can afford 15b/invul ;)
Not to insinuate that someone's priorities are not straight, but isn't the point of this thread to provide information? I simply gave a suggestion to improve a fitting, if the required isk was not a problem. Just because you cannot afford a module does not warrant your response above. This is not your thread, these suggestions are not directed at you. You could have not responded at all, instead, you made a reply simply because you felt like trying to shoot someone else's idea down, and guess what you failed. Give good information, or stay out of the forums. Though I am sure they appreciate your attitude in other communities, such as that of World of Warcraft, or Guild Wars, or XBOX Live.
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.29 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dawn Hammer
Originally by: Murixo Not all of us can afford 15b/invul ;)
Not to insinuate that someone's priorities are not straight, but isn't the point of this thread to provide information? I simply gave a suggestion to improve a fitting, if the required isk was not a problem. Just because you cannot afford a module does not warrant your response above. This is not your thread, these suggestions are not directed at you. You could have not responded at all, instead, you made a reply simply because you felt like trying to shoot someone else's idea down, and guess what you failed. Give good information, or stay out of the forums. Though I am sure they appreciate your attitude in other communities, such as that of World of Warcraft, or Guild Wars, or XBOX Live.
I already acknowledged my mistake, and apologised for it, there's no need to have a hissy fit. The reason I replied is that it was my fitting that was posted, I was simply justifying cost vs reward - 350m vs 15b isn't something to be sneered at.
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iNtErPlAiN
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Posted - 2010.01.30 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: iNtErPlAiN on 30/01/2010 02:11:16 ok, ty for the replies! Im leaning towards PDu's i guess more now that ive talked it over with some ppl, nd yes with pretty much those exact implants mentioned above
would love to hear from a few more supercarrier pilots tho- also, 3 x core field extenders or a variation of CCC + shield rigs?
nd any specific hardwirings/booster pills i should look at? I had considered the blue pill drug side-affect reduction hardwirings but since boost doesnt matter anymore need to find something better.
thanks again for all the input
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.01.30 02:21:00 -
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If you have to ask, don't bother. ___
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thewarpoodle
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Posted - 2010.01.30 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx If you have to ask, don't bother.
orly?
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.01.30 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Murixo on 30/01/2010 03:06:30
Originally by: iNtErPlAiN Edited by: iNtErPlAiN on 30/01/2010 02:11:16 ok, ty for the replies! Im leaning towards PDu's i guess more now that ive talked it over with some ppl, nd yes with pretty much those exact implants mentioned above
would love to hear from a few more supercarrier pilots tho- also, 3 x core field extenders or a variation of CCC + shield rigs?
nd any specific hardwirings/booster pills i should look at? I had considered the blue pill drug side-affect reduction hardwirings but since boost doesnt matter anymore need to find something better.
thanks again for all the input
As you're not boosting anymore think about the mindflood instead. for cap, otherwise there aren't really any other drugs. As I fit the CPRs, I go for 3 t2 CDFEs, but if you're gonna go PDUs I'd try a combination 2 CDFE II + CCC II perhaps. Personally I've got a set of HG Slaves for lack of anything else (1.13m armor up from 750k), as well as the drug side-effect ones (though they were more important back when you used blue pills), perhaps Akemon's +8% armor implant for giggles.
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iNtErPlAiN
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Posted - 2010.01.30 04:16:00 -
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thank u all for the help so far-
Ive decided to fit full buffer howerver I've left the local rep on for repping that annoying little amount of shields removed from bunuses/hotdropping in- however it can be switched out for any utility mods (point/cap recharger/moar resit/etc)
final fit:
[Wyvern, Final] Damage Control II Tairei's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Tairei's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Tairei's Modified Capacitor Power Relay
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Capital Shield booster/sensor booster/point/etc
Thon's Modified Cloaking Device True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer Remote ECM/Shield gang link/3rd neut etc True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II
feel free to critisize the fit as u see fit plz, looks solid tho
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.01.30 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dawn Hammer Not to insinuate that someone's priorities are not straight, but isn't the point of this thread to provide information? I simply gave a suggestion to improve a fitting, if the required isk was not a problem. Just because you cannot afford a module does not warrant your response above. This is not your thread, these suggestions are not directed at you. You could have not responded at all, instead, you made a reply simply because you felt like trying to shoot someone else's idea down, and guess what you failed. Give good information, or stay out of the forums. Though I am sure they appreciate your attitude in other communities, such as that of World of Warcraft, or Guild Wars, or XBOX Live.
The difference between 1.2B and 45B is substantial. One might even argue be able to argue that its not a real improvement to the fit if it pushes it over what might be considered a "reasonable" price point. IMO your post is way out of line.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.01.30 08:50:00 -
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Lose the shield booster, it's effects are negligible. And PDU's have become slightly more viable, but until you get to meta 13/14 they're still inferior to a combination of CPR(DCU) + CCC/CDFE.
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Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2010.01.30 09:00:00 -
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Considering the amount of stacking penalites involved in a fit with invuls AND hardeners, imho it would be a downright waste of isk to use Estamels or any other officer invuls... And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Considering the amount of stacking penalites involved in a fit with invuls AND hardeners, imho it would be a downright waste of isk to use Estamels or any other officer invuls...
Well, if you have the ISK, why not spend it? But if people without a clue think they can make up for that by fitting it expensively it's gonna be cause for lolmails.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Considering the amount of stacking penalites involved in a fit with invuls AND hardeners, imho it would be a downright waste of isk to use Estamels or any other officer invuls...
Even if the effect is realtively samll, the shear ammount of ehp it gives the new moms is worth it.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 31/01/2010 22:04:11 New pyfa is out and it confirmed my suspicions. DCU is now actually worth it, but cpr's still >> PDU's.
This fit:
[Wyvern, wyvern]
Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Vepas' Modified Cloaking Device Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer Remote ECM Burst I
Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Explosion Dampening Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Damage Control II Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay
Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II
Has 26.8 mil ehp and + 150cap/s. You can of course go more expensive on the capacitor gear but it doesn't improve the fit much. The option with pdu's comes out at either slghtly less ehp and much less cap, or a bit more ehp and absolutely horrible cap.
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