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Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
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Posted - 2012.06.26 10:16:00 -
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It seems a new module hit TQ with Inferno 1.1:
The Reverb Target Painter II
It has nearly the same stats of the standard TP (needs 25 cpu instead of 24) ... with one notable exception:
-It is fitted to a high power slot
I can see a ton of applications for such a module (oh hi torp-raven), although I don't exactly like most of them. However, it could be entirely possible that this is again a ship-specidic ship module like the Iris Cloaking oder the Sansha Codebreaker ... although it's usable stats are somewhat odd. (and I see yet another shieldtank buff...)
As the module seems to not be properly released on TQ yet (you can only find it via variations of a standard TP, can't be sold over either the market or contracts and I doubt it can even be produced at the moment), TSF might be the best forum to discuss this ... thing.
If it is ever to be released properly, you better put a lot of testing in it, CCP.
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CCP Paradox
301
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Posted - 2012.06.26 10:28:00 -
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This was just a module that accidentally got published. So disclaimer: What you saw in no way, shape or form may be released. That being said, I am not going to stop you guys from discussing target painting mechanics. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Sarmatiko
740
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:05:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:That being said, I am not going to stop you guys from discussing target painting mechanics. Current Target Painting mechanic discussion tl;dr: it sucks! |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
421
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:11:00 -
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Oooo high slot target painter. I like that idea. |
xUnlimitedx
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:20:00 -
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CCP I WANT DAT TARGET PAINTER NOW!!! |
RumpenII
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:28:00 -
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You can sometimes and good things to do... |
Amy Elteam
No Bull Ships
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:38:00 -
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Hundreds of blueprints were bought and used to invent this yesterday, then CCP nuked the items from the DB, I myself have had all my manufacturing and invention jobs nerfed back to TII painters.
I don't even get a handful of non-functional collectors items for my work. |
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CCP Paradox
301
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:47:00 -
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Amy Elteam wrote:Hundreds of blueprints were bought and used to invent this yesterday, then CCP nuked the items from the DB, I myself have had all my manufacturing and invention jobs nerfed back to TII painters.
I don't even get a handful of non-functional collectors items for my work.
There weren't "hundreds" it wasn't even one hundred. The problem was isolated, and pretty small. I applaud you on your invention enthusiasm though. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Amy Elteam
No Bull Ships
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:01:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Amy Elteam wrote:Hundreds of blueprints were bought and used to invent this yesterday, then CCP nuked the items from the DB, I myself have had all my manufacturing and invention jobs nerfed back to TII painters.
I don't even get a handful of non-functional collectors items for my work. There weren't "hundreds" it wasn't even one hundred. The problem was isolated, and pretty small. I applaud you on your invention enthusiasm though.
There were 191 TP I BPO's sold in Heimatar, and another 21 Sold in metropolis, that's over 200 in the regions that sell them. We just figured that introducing them like this would be an excellent way to cut down on the day 1 market rush and ensure supply before demand.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:09:00 -
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I really (really) want this TP
This would give shield based missile ships a great option to deal with small/fast targets without gimping it's tank...which is needed against larger targets. Dual web Drake is nice and all...but as soon as the Drake looses it's resist bonus fitting a dual web leads to really thin tank. All other T1 missile ships don't have a resist bonus anyhow..
For instance the Raven. No tank bonus and 6 med slots only. This ship just cannot affort to fit a TP beside tackle and MWD to make torps and cruises work. But the Raven has 2 utility high slots
Other winners from a high slot TP: - short range missile brawlers which need some kind of (shield) tank - drone ships - turret ships with few med slots available (Amarr, some Gallente).
After all it would lead to more diversity which is a good thing imho. Atm utility slots in PvP are for neuts, mandatory. |
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Nihi Lismus
A Lone Wolf Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:53:00 -
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Have you allready thought about the buff it gives to the Nagl and the Phoenix?
I see Torp-Dread + Hugginn-Fleets eeeeevrywhere |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:57:00 -
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Nihi Lismus wrote:Have you allready thought about the buff it gives to the Nagl and the Phoenix?
I see Torp-Dread + Hugginn-Fleets eeeeevrywhere
Are you suggesting we target paint structures? In a thread about ccp making mistakes? Oh the irony of it..... |
Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
168
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:12:00 -
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Moving, or adding new versions of, the low tier ewar modules (tp, td, sd) to highslots would be an interesting idea. Amarr might suffer from their lack of utility highs though. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:10:00 -
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I'm curious why the painter gets this and the other faction ewar doesn't. Also, the most useful application of this is on Caldari ships and other missile boats, so while it makes useable sense on the Raven, it will be yet another buff to the drake.
While it may be more balance post-drake nerf, until that nerf hits its just more drake buffs, which I can't get behind. |
VR Highfive
Hayabusa Hikotai
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:44:00 -
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Although the idea of a high slot Target painter sounds nice for some ships it would get OP on many others . Thinking of the Drake like Pinkknife did.. and can u imagine a Falcon or Rook fitted with all ECM and painters.. scary.
There is a reason why E-war uses midslots. It balances things.. it makes you make choices in fitting your ship. expect neuts but are neuts E-war? They are cap war right.. ? http://haykilogs.blogspot.com/ Learning solo PvP, one explosion at a time. |
Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:08:00 -
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VR Highfive wrote:Although the idea of a high slot Target painter sounds nice for some ships it would get OP on many others . Thinking of the Drake like Pinkknife did.. and can u imagine a Falcon or Rook fitted with all ECM and painters.. scary.
There is a reason why E-war uses midslots. It balances things.. it makes you make choices in fitting your ship. expect neuts but are neuts E-war? They are cap war right.. ?
If a Falcon pilot wants to fit TPs into the high slots he makes a sacrifice as well. No/less smartbombs against drones or blasters/neuts against frigs. Even worse for the Rook since it has no utility slots. A Rook just looses damage by fitting ewar into the high slots.
That means ewar modules in high slots require a choice as well. Between damage or utility by neuts, nos, smartbombs, cloak, RR. This choice could lead to more diversity - which is cool.
@Drake: the Drake is the only Caldari T1 missile ship with resist bonus. And it seems the Drake will be changed in this point. I've no problem with that since I get more damage in exchange...but a high slot TP would help to fight smaller targets like the new, boosted ASs or even T1 frigs with tank bonus (Merlin, Incursus). Turret based ships can almost one-shot such frigs when piloted well or with some luck. A missile ship just cannot do that and needs help by fitting modules. |
larf1986
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:14:00 -
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This mod would be great if complimented with the same ewar mods for other races..............
Hi Slot Damps/Tracking Disruptors ect.
Weather it would be op or not would need to be tested but it would deffinately compliment the re-shapeing of ewar frigs.
Maybe a restriction to shiptypes able to fit them would balance things. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
297
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:51:00 -
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larf1986 wrote:This mod would be great if complimented with the same ewar mods for other races..............
Hi Slot Damps/Tracking Disruptors ect.
Not sure about this. Painters are effectively tracking mods and are rather different to the other ewar, so be careful in thinking about them in the same fashion. The main attraction of a highslot painter is that it offers some flexibility to missile boats and a different way around the hard sig radius/explosion radius limit, particularly attractive to torp boats, like Raven and Typhoon.
Of course, what would happen is the massive Drakespam fleets now each have a painter, but CCP is supposed to be thinking about the Drake. HML Drakes tend to be a bit tight on CPU too. In any case, those Drakespam fleets should have dedicated painter boats, shouldn't they? A hundred Drakes painting the same target may be fun, but it's not very efficient. |
bassie12bf1
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:36:00 -
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This mod would be so useful for huginns. |
Tenjou Utena
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.26 20:04:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:This was just a module that accidentally got published. So disclaimer: What you saw in no way, shape or form may be released. That being said, I am not going to stop you guys from discussing target painting mechanics. If highslot ewar modules are ever implemented, they really should be role limited to Electronic Attack Frigates. Could make EAFs worth piloting and would not make other ships overpowered. |
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Dirk Culliford
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 20:52:00 -
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Tenjou Utena wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:This was just a module that accidentally got published. So disclaimer: What you saw in no way, shape or form may be released. That being said, I am not going to stop you guys from discussing target painting mechanics. If highslot ewar modules are ever implemented, they really should be role limited to Electronic Attack Frigates. Could make EAFs worth piloting and would not make other ships overpowered.
What would be the point in having high slot ewar if it could only be fitted to EAFs. Just give them plenty mid-slots and appropriate fitting so it doesn't get used as an uber shield tank.
disclaimer - This point does not include merits/demerits, the coolness & utility overpowering some ships etc etc of these modules in the first place |
Nihi Lismus
A Lone Wolf Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:11:00 -
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Illectroculus Defined wrote:Nihi Lismus wrote:Have you allready thought about the buff it gives to the Nagl and the Phoenix?
I see Torp-Dread + Hugginn-Fleets eeeeevrywhere Are you suggesting we target paint structures? In a thread about ccp making mistakes? Oh the irony of it..... irony... nope a goon-grunt, who can't think out of the box without his little daddy mittani... oh yes
You know the second ewar that's getting some benefits from the matari recons? right! webs. You're gonna saying now, that structures are so fast? Or are you going to think one step further?
I'm not gonna tell you, what I was thinking of, just to force you, to use your F1-trimmed brain. Have fun o/
(little hint: with dreads, you can also lock other ships, like Maelstroms or Abbadons) |
Fenk
Telegraph Road Stellar Economy Experts
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:44:00 -
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Good artists don't use erasers. Let us play w/the reverb. :0D X |
Saile Litestrider
Clann Fian
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Posted - 2012.06.27 15:08:00 -
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When I look at this module I see a few things.
First, the other main split-ewar faction, Amarr, already has highslot/midslot splits to their ewar.
Second, the other two ewar types, ECM and Damps/scramblers, are both most likely in need of some sort of rebalance, perhaps we'll see a similar highslot/midslot split when they get looked at?
Third, this could very well be intended as a counter-module for tracking disrupters finally being able to do something to missile ships (increasing explosion radius). And I'd love for amarr ewar ships to finally have something to do against the ever popular passive tanked missile boat besides hoping they use an invuln.
I just hope my wild speculation is right and we're due for some interesting changes to ewar |
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:00:00 -
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We are definitely in need of some alternative utility high slot modules to neuts.
If this were to be introduced then I think perhaps it should have higher fitting requirements, it would be too easy to just throw this on if you have one spare powergrid.
Mid slot painters should prob still be better. |
Galphii
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:28:00 -
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I want all target painters moved to high slot, and minmatar to get some other e-war speciality. |
Tankn00blicus
sleep Deprivation INC. LLC The Skeleton Crew
8
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:25:00 -
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Galphii wrote:I want all target painters moved to high slot, and minmatar to get some other e-war speciality. You mean like webs? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
637
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:31:00 -
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VR Highfive wrote:Although the idea of a high slot Target painter sounds nice for some ships it would get OP on many others . Thinking of the Drake like Pinkknife did.. and can u imagine a Falcon or Rook fitted with all ECM and painters.. scary.
inb4 highslot ECM whine. |
Nalha Saldana
MAFIA PlAYGROUND. D E M O N S Alliance
276
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:51:00 -
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Highslot TPs feel like a way to fix the bad mixed weapon systems for bellicose and its t2 variations. It would make huginns/rapiers very powerful ships for any fleet. |
Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:35:00 -
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This thing is for Dust Orbital Bombardment. -- Please like me, I'm an attention w*ore. |
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