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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:59:00 -
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Rats wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
*There was a thread before the initial kerfuffle whose OP got edited multiple times by ISDs to the point where it didn't reflect the OP's intent at all, then moved to an inappropriate place, then one of the CCP's told the OP that he posted in the wrong place and should fix his OP.
Thats just funny, sure it wasn't a mod having a giggle Tal
I'm not sure that's better. I love it when Devs and Mods troll people by posting. Trolling people using mod tools just isn't sporting. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
617
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:14:00 -
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But Pipa, if you don't like people using mod tools to troll, why don't you support miners rather then pvpers?
I am just trying to get people to use skills when they forum post, to help avoid the ISD gank. But you aren't helping me out, like you would help pvpers vs the miners. Fine maybe you guys should just get buffed at forum posting, that no one is allowed to gank you, and nothing bad happens, even though you don't use skills to post, or fit a good forum tank. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
644
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:27:00 -
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rodyas wrote:But Pipa, if you don't like people using mod tools to troll, why don't you support miners rather then pvpers?
I am just trying to get people to use skills when they forum post, to help avoid the ISD gank. But you aren't helping me out, like you would help pvpers vs the miners. Fine maybe you guys should just get buffed at forum posting, that no one is allowed to gank you, and nothing bad happens, even though you don't use skills to post, or fit a good forum tank.
Yeah...
The Tools that Gankers use are available to everyone. Make Mod Tools available to everyone, and I won't be bothered by ISDs and Devs using them to troll people. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
617
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:59:00 -
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Or you could give everyone skills, and tanking knowledge.
Giving everyone mod tools, would be a fun sub category in a forum.
Also read, crime and punishment. The give everyone mod tools, is a Nietzsche's Superman. But crime and punishment, shows how nietzche's superman doesn't always work out best for society. So you could make everyone a nietzche superman with dev tools, but the society of our forums would crumble.
But if, everyone being a god was bad for society, how can we have a god, or allow one to live?
Perhaps the ISD should come down then. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:28:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Or you could give everyone skills, and tanking knowledge.
Giving everyone mod tools, would be a fun sub category in a forum.
Also read, crime and punishment. The give everyone mod tools, is a Nietzsche's Superman. But crime and punishment, shows how nietzche's superman doesn't always work out best for society. So you could make everyone a nietzche superman with dev tools, but the society of our forums would crumble.
But if, everyone being a god was bad for society, how can we have a god, or allow one to live?
Perhaps the ISD should come down then.
Getting notified when your posts are edited is the Tank against ISD/Dev Trolling with Mod tools.
As for :stuff: about Nietzsche, :thbbth: EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
617
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:35:00 -
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Well good luck getting it, perhaps ya will who knows. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.08.08 08:40:00 -
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Maybe you could get skills for the forums
Forum Tanking, 10% chance of posts not getting edited per lvl Forum Editing, 10% chance of editing someone else s post successfully per lvl Forum Trolling, 10% chance of not getting posts deleted per lvl
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Quaaid
EVE Pilot Help Center
92
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Posted - 2012.08.08 15:39:00 -
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Bring back ISD Banhammer. They were the hero that the Forums deserved. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:13:00 -
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Quaaid wrote:Bring back ISD Banhammer. They were the hero that the Forums deserved.
You know if it was a film Arnold Schwarzenegger would play the part of ISD Banhammer, I can just hear him saying it .....
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
263
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:09:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums.
Not only that, but locking of legitimate fun threads created with honest intentions.
There is a double standard going on with the "fun" threads throughout the forums (specifically General Discussion). This kind of inconsistency undermines your entire team.
The "fun" threads being those threads:
The Like and Get Likes Thread What is the avatar above you thinking? What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed?
While ISD locks all other fun threads instead of letting them die out as they usually do. They even go as far to call these threads "spam threads" and "troll threads" but this shows bias because how are the 3 threads I listed considered valid by their standards? I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.16 18:45:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums. Not only that, but locking of legitimate fun threads created with honest intentions. There is a double standard going on with the "fun" threads throughout the forums (specifically General Discussion). This kind of inconsistency undermines your entire team. The "fun" threads being those threads: The Like and Get Likes Thread What is the avatar above you thinking? What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed? While ISD locks all other fun threads instead of letting them die out as they usually do. They even go as far to call these threads "spam threads" and "troll threads" but this shows bias because how are the 3 threads I listed considered valid by their standards?
I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I-¦m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.
However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.16 18:52:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I-¦m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.
However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee.
I think his point is "Why those 3 Specific Threads?" and "Why any of those threads, since you're admitting that threads of that nature don't belong in GD by locking other threads of that nature."
And I'd say that the nature and application (or not) of rules that govern our behavior here is a matter of public interest and thus should be discussed publicly (since posting petition replies is a no-no, petitions don't fit that bill). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
638
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:46:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I-¦m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.
However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee. I think his point is "Why those 3 Specific Threads?" and "Why any of those threads, since you're admitting that threads of that nature don't belong in GD by locking other threads of that nature." And I'd say that the nature and application (or not) of rules that govern our behavior here is a matter of public interest and thus should be discussed publicly (since posting petition replies is a no-no, petitions don't fit that bill).
Of course, one would have to be slightly educated to discuss the nature and applications (or not) of rules that govern behavior.
And you have already stated earlier in this thread, you have no interest in education. So just getting anything you want easily, has been something you have brown nosed already in other threads. So I am not sure how to help you out really. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
150
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Posted - 2012.08.21 07:43:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:I think we all can agree that 3 threads of this nature are enough in General Discussion. I-¦m sure the majority of forum users dont want to see the first page of GD consisting of "What is the avatar ...." threads.
However, you are welcome to file a petition under the "community" tab to have your case looked into by a CCP employee. I think his point is "Why those 3 Specific Threads?" and "Why any of those threads, since you're admitting that threads of that nature don't belong in GD by locking other threads of that nature." And I'd say that the nature and application (or not) of rules that govern our behavior here is a matter of public interest and thus should be discussed publicly (since posting petition replies is a no-no, petitions don't fit that bill). Of course, one would have to be slightly educated to discuss the nature and applications (or not) of rules that govern behavior. And you have already stated earlier in this thread, you have no interest in education. So just getting anything you want easily, has been something you have brown nosed already in other threads. So I am not sure how to help you out really.
Didn't see where he was asking fro your help, as your not ISD but another pleb like the rest of us. Funny did Pipa upset you at some point, as your post came across as "you mad bro" to use the local vernacular ?
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
680
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Posted - 2012.08.21 08:22:00 -
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Pipa, is usually a bane to me, in most topics. This thread is mostly fun, since it seems the tables were turned for once.
Read as: Pipa usually likes the attack and is usually good at it, except for when it comes to ISD relations. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
548
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:27:00 -
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I have become concerned that all the fun is being sucked out of General Discussion. I am perfectly aware of the no rumor rule subsequently no longer making this part of the Meta game.
But killing of threads like the funny CQ hamburger one and now "proof of sekret alliancia between goonswrm y triple a" is just a bit ridiculous. They were just good fun threads with some harmless fun involved.
Or Is GD to just be replaced with a factual library of topics. If so it would be less boring if you just replaced it with a corrected and updated WiKi. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.08.24 19:25:00 -
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GD is for discussion that does not fall into the other categories. It is not for off topic threads whose only purpose is an attention grab. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:37:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:GD is for discussion that does not fall into the other categories. It is not for off topic threads whose only purpose is an attention grab. Actually almost all of what is posted in GD does fall under another category except the whacky threads. Its just that most of them are not moved. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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AcT-Damien
Red Star Solutions
0
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:11:00 -
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We all make mistakes.
Admin accidentaly slips bad word. |
Lachrimosis
Defense Industry International
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Posted - 2012.08.26 19:46:00 -
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Character Bazaar ISD's (namely Type40) need to learn the definition of "bump" before locking threads/etc.
A selling character should be able to reply, in non-discussion provoking language, to offers and questions in thread for the benefit of all other potential purchasers. |
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Aurora2012
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.08.26 21:15:00 -
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Lachrimosis wrote:Character Bazaar ISD's (namely Type40) need to learn the definition of "bump" before locking threads/etc.
A selling character should be able to reply, in non-discussion provoking language, to offers and questions in thread for the benefit of all other potential purchasers.
This is some think i can agree with 100%. the last 3 months of these new ISD'S has been a nightmare i mean ok there trying to do there job but maybe CCP/GM/ISD/BH and so on should ask the players that pay for the game what they think should be done different. Dont just let the have there fun on the posts we put up.
Im not just saying this because i have had post locked in the past im saying it because its what needs to be done and im saying it from some one that is all ways on the forum more then eve i read lots of post by people and see what they like and dont like about this and i do also agree with the new helpers some times but like i said what needs to happen is.
1. Look back before the new ISD'S where here and see what people did not like and what they did like.
2. Ask some new eve players what they think about the forum's.
3. get in touch with the older player's because we are have played for a long time and know a little more.
4. Get some poles going to see what every one thinks as one group.
5. Make a video about what the community has told EvE and what you are going to do about it.
6. Put the new rules in place
7. Follow some of the posts to see how things are going.
8. Sit back and chill out as you wont have so much work to do any more.
Remember this is just what i think should happen there are so many more people out there so listen to them all if you have the time.
Thanks for taking the time to read this every one.
Give me a little mail/like if you agree what what i have said but also tell me if you think i am wrong it all helps Once again thanks all. |
HaltHammerzeit
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.08.27 08:22:00 -
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Lachrimosis wrote:Character Bazaar ISD's (namely Type40) need to learn the definition of "bump" before locking threads/etc.
A selling character should be able to reply, in non-discussion provoking language, to offers and questions in thread for the benefit of all other potential purchasers.
Couldn't agree more, the thread-locking frenzy in character bazaar is nearly an epidemic atm.
ISD TYPE 40 in particular is someone who I feel is having a negative impact on the smooth-running of the forum. For example, last week, out of 5 auctions I bid in (no discussion/questions, just number only bids) the guy locked 3 of them at some stage. It used to be that people were given a warning and although I welcome tougher rules, this borders on the ridiculous.
I noticed his latest trick is posting in normal, straight-forward sales at the end to comment that the sale is done and to lock the thread. WHY??? Isn't this free bumping to topics that are already closed? Total waste of peoples' time and it seems to be just done to aggravate the forum community. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1254
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:15:00 -
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He may not be aware of the lax bumping policy of the Bazaar. Someone should say something... oh wait. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
609
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Posted - 2012.08.30 01:32:00 -
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Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)
But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?
Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
296
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Posted - 2012.08.30 01:53:00 -
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ISD has been on a tear lately.
Some of the funniest faux paus I have seen though is thier 'editing' of thread names which make little sense
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Pipa Porto
846
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Posted - 2012.08.30 04:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)
But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?
Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system
Hey, it's the NickyYo tinfoil hat brigade.
Has NickyYo brought forth any evidence to support his assertion of corruption? No? Ah...
Got any evidence of favoritism (besides their well established habit of whitewashing anything critical of CCP)? No? Ah...
If you have any solid evidence of anything, I believe [email protected] is your destination.
Anyway, the safety measures are the same as with CCP Devs. We're not allowed to know who their IG characters are, and it's hard to bribe someone whom we can't identify. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
609
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Posted - 2012.08.30 05:45:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)
But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?
Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system Hey, it's the NickyYo tinfoil hat brigade. Has NickyYo brought forth any evidence to support his assertion of corruption? No? Ah... Got any evidence of favoritism (besides their well established habit of whitewashing anything critical of CCP)? No? Ah... If you have any solid evidence of anything, I believe [email protected] is your destination. Anyway, the safety measures are the same as with CCP Devs. We're not allowed to know who their IG characters are, and it's hard to bribe someone whom we can't identify. Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Pipa Porto
846
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Posted - 2012.08.30 06:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position.
I just hate it when my arguments from earlier get thrown back at me.
Unless CCP's gonna ban fallen ISD accounts, that's always going to be a concern. Of course, historically CCP hasn't fired Devs for misconduct within the game, so I'm not sure how a game ban for an ISD would compare with a... whatever internal punishment they give Devs.
It's really not something we can have much insight into either way. Either we trust the IA department to do their job or we don't. They're not going to tell us what they have and haven't done.
If we trust the IA department, we can trust that the ISDs are unlikely to get away with taking bribes for moderation (silly as that sounds). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
610
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Posted - 2012.08.30 07:08:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position. I just hate it when my arguments from earlier get thrown back at me. Unless CCP's gonna ban fallen ISD accounts, that's always going to be a concern. Of course, historically CCP hasn't fired Devs for misconduct within the game, so I'm not sure how a game ban for an ISD would compare with a... whatever internal punishment they give Devs. It's really not something we can have much insight into either way. Either we trust the IA department to do their job or we don't. They're not going to tell us what they have and haven't done. If we trust the IA department, we can trust that the ISDs are unlikely to get away with taking bribes for moderation (silly as that sounds). Pretty much why I was wondering if they had active safeguards. I understand the passive ones, of us the players sending an email to internal affairs but do they actually have any active measures them selves to discover this kind of behaviour them selves.
For instance are they regularly checking the ISDs player accounts for large sums or gifts and requesting an explanation of these? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
685
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Posted - 2012.08.30 08:27:00 -
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Hm, maybe we could all just relax a bit, and remember what the ISD's favorite words are.
If you have any problems with moderation, feel free to send a petition about it.
Of course someone powerful in a null sec alliance, could bribe GMs as well as the ISD, so those petitions go unanswered. As well as someone offering beer to CCP for the moderation problem, to just be ignored. Also a powerful person in null sec, could offer a great job to a person in IA, which he would then ignore the moderation problems, to get said job. I could go on of course, but hopefully, they just respond to your petition. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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