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gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.06 01:23:00 -
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I'd really appreciate an answer to this question:
Why on earth hasn't the James 315 for CSM as hi-sec representative been moved from General Discussion to Jita Park Speakers Corner?
Fake edit: just moved, took nearly 23 hours.
This is frustrating for those who do try to post responsibly.
Low self-esteem?-á Bored?-á-áLonely?-á |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:22:00 -
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Well, let's get this over and done with!
I am ISD Praetoxx, one of the newest additions to the CCL team. Having played EVE for several years I am glad to be able to give something back to the community and help to make it a better place for everyone, both new and old pilots alike. I have experienced first hand the aggro that fellow capsuleers have had to endure over the years both in-game and out. Times are changing and the path before us only leads upward. There has never been a better time to get involved with the community and take a proactive role in New Eden.
Spread the word, tell your friends, tell your wife, tell your imaginary girlfriend. EVE is where it's happening and they don't want to miss the fun!
My EVE career started out in late 2004 flying my trusty Cormorant doing L2 missions. Of course, at this point in the game I was completely unaware of how to fit my ship correctly or just what exactly I was supposed to be training for. Remember the days of Learning Skills to boost your skill training speed? Yeah, I never knew about those for the first 2 years. I can say that and be proud of it! At one point I remember fitting all 3 types of reppers to it (shield, armor and hull) so that I wouldn't get killed. That and I liked the graphic effects of the hull repper.
It wasn't until I joined a decent corporation and they showed me the error of my ways that my true adventure into the world of EVE started.
Fast forward about 7 years and I am now a top ranking officer in a very well established corporation. I am flying with several other accounts involved in almost every aspect EVE has to offer. One more account can't hurt right?
I am sure I will see many of you on my adventures on the forums, and you will see a lot of me as I take part in your discussions!
Until we meet again my fellow pod pilot's.
- ISD Praetoxx ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Lord Zim
1292
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:43:00 -
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I'm going to just make yet another note in this thread, expressing my concern over the complete lack of feedback which is available if someone were to have their posts either deleted or edited by someone on the mod team. I've made a few posts over the last couple of months, and the only reason I've seen that a few of them have been edited or deleted is because I've been actively monitoring a specific thread where it happened. Apart from that, I am absolutely clueless, and as such there is absolutely no feedback to me (or anyone else) what they may or may not have done wrong, there's absolutely no recourse to dispute the removal or edit of a post (since we generally have absolutely no clue it has happened).
Is there any plans at all to rectify this, or will we have to either just assume all our posts are unmolested/undeleted, or will we have to regularly go through all our posts the last 2 weeks to see if there's any posts there which we're missing or has been edited? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
714
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:30:00 -
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I am here to testify that all my deleted or edited posts, were all justified. And were done on a fair basis.
Look forward to more inspirational posters on how to post well. Thanks to my probation sentence punishments. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.06 20:46:00 -
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gulftobay wrote:I'd really appreciate an answer to this question: Why on earth hasn't the James 315 for CSM as hi-sec representative been moved from General Discussion to Jita Park Speakers Corner? Fake edit: just moved, took nearly 23 hours. This is frustrating for those who do try to post responsibly.
Hi Gulftobay,
I would like to apologize that you found our response time frustrating, I am grateful that you maintained a responsible attitude in the meantime.
I can only attempt to justify it by stating that we are as of yet a small team, and we can only cover so-much timezone.
We would be very happy to receive more applications to the volunteer programme to help with this, however! ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:55:00 -
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Why aren't ISD consistent, i see quite minor infractions banned ore locked yet when a player says that another should "die badly" its ignored ?
ISD have been in the thread to move it but seemed to ignore the off topic, no content trolling which is very offensive and slightly creepy tbh
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1890739#post1890739
P.S that thread should not have been moved as you have now killed it, and it was a general discussion on solo play. Please move it back, or be consistent and move every thread discussing the game and how it should be played into the Ideas forum.
Tal -áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
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ISD BiscuitThief
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.07 08:02:00 -
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Rats wrote: ISD have been in the thread to move it but seemed to ignore the off topic, no content trolling which is very offensive and slightly creepy tbh
Oops, my bad, I'll go take another look through that thread now. Sorry if I left anything in there which should have been removed. If anyone thinks I miss something in the future (in any threads), please go right ahead and report the offending posts, so that we can go straight to them and check them out.
ISD BiscuitThief Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:53:00 -
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Rats wrote:Why aren't ISD consistent, i see quite minor infractions banned or locked yet when a player says that another should "die badly" its ignored ? ISD have been in the thread to move it but seemed to ignore the off topic, no content trolling which is very offensive and slightly creepy tbh https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1890739#post1890739P.S that thread should not have been moved as you have now killed it, and it was a general discussion on solo play. Please move it back, or be consistent and move every thread discussing the game and how it should be played into the Ideas forum. Tal It is possible to miss a post.
Thats why, if I find something that I would moderate if I were an ISD, I use the report feature. |
Talus Veran
Valis Inc
14
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:07:00 -
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So much DRAMA in this thread (or on the Forums in General) "Zee Goggles, Zey Do Nothing!"
Message me on Twitter-á-á @talus_veran I follow -á #eveonline-á &-á #tweetfleet |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:59:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149117&p=26
This isn't how GD works. You don't get to have your thread locked just because you're losing the argument. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1294
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Posted - 2012.09.09 22:55:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149117&p=26
This isn't how GD works. You don't get to have your thread locked just because you're losing the argument. However it is standard policy to do so at the request of the OP.
Can't stand it, but its official. |
Pipa Porto
891
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Posted - 2012.09.10 05:17:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149117&p=26
This isn't how GD works. You don't get to have your thread locked just because you're losing the argument. However it is standard policy to do so at the request of the OP. Can't stand it, but its official.
Really? You're kidding. That's their official policy?*
Combine that with the ban on resurrecting locked threads and there's some great potential there for getting the mods to troll for you.
*P.S. Any chance it's a public policy that you can link to? I mean, I know CCP and the idea of Publishing Policies and Rules aren't great friends, but... EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:35:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Rats wrote:Why aren't ISD consistent, i see quite minor infractions banned or locked yet when a player says that another should "die badly" its ignored ? ISD have been in the thread to move it but seemed to ignore the off topic, no content trolling which is very offensive and slightly creepy tbh https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1890739#post1890739P.S that thread should not have been moved as you have now killed it, and it was a general discussion on solo play. Please move it back, or be consistent and move every thread discussing the game and how it should be played into the Ideas forum. Tal It is possible to miss a post. Thats why, if I find something that I would moderate if I were an ISD, I use the report feature.
Bully for you, but as ISD already came back to me in this thread that is here to discuss moderation then your input isn't needed.
Thanks anyway
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1299
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:50:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149117&p=26
This isn't how GD works. You don't get to have your thread locked just because you're losing the argument. However it is standard policy to do so at the request of the OP. Can't stand it, but its official. Really? You're kidding. That's their official policy?* Combine that with the ban on resurrecting locked threads and there's some great potential there for getting the mods to troll for you. *P.S. Any chance it's a public policy that you can link to? I mean, I know CCP and the idea of Publishing Policies and Rules aren't great friends, but... I remember it from the old forum, but a search isn't leading me anywhere helpful.
All I know is, they have been doing it for a while. If the OP requests a lock, a lock is received. |
Pipa Porto
891
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Posted - 2012.09.11 00:45:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149117&p=26
This isn't how GD works. You don't get to have your thread locked just because you're losing the argument. However it is standard policy to do so at the request of the OP. Can't stand it, but its official. Really? You're kidding. That's their official policy?* Combine that with the ban on resurrecting locked threads and there's some great potential there for getting the mods to troll for you. *P.S. Any chance it's a public policy that you can link to? I mean, I know CCP and the idea of Publishing Policies and Rules aren't great friends, but... I remember it from the old forum, but a search isn't leading me anywhere helpful. All I know is, they have been doing it for a while. If the OP requests a lock, a lock is received.
I wasn't doubting you, it's the exact type of insanity that I kind of expect from CCP's forum policies. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Quaaid
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
127
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:34:00 -
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If you can get the ISDs to get more in line with how Suvetar is handling things, you stand a chance. There is a distinct tone resonating with a few of the ISD that is edgier than the community will be receptive to. When you can tell an ISD is either growing impatient and/or taking a sadist pleasure in their tone while moderating then they (and their actions by proxy) are going to be hated.
More Suvetar, less Type40. I can't even watch Dr. Who now without feeling bad about myself now. |
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ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.13 00:31:00 -
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Salutation EVE Community
I am one of your brand new volunteers', and I am looking forward to helping out the EVE players base in any way I can. First things first, I am one of you. Although I have been playing EVE for years; I am by no means the end all in EVE lore or knowledge, I make no claims to be, and I will strive to provide the players accurate, timely, helpful information. I am also looking forward to interacting with the expansive EVE community in an effort to give back a little of what was freely given to me.
See you in the forums! ISD Flidais Asagiri Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:22:00 -
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gulftobay wrote:I'd really appreciate an answer to this question: Why on earth hasn't the James 315 for CSM as hi-sec representative been moved from General Discussion to Jita Park Speakers Corner? Fake edit: just moved, took nearly 23 hours. This is frustrating for those who do try to post responsibly. Better question is why was that thread locked?
I reported this bizarre locking of James 315's CSM candidacy thread, but the thread is still locked and the mod who did it is still a mod, let alone not banned from EVE-O forums like I strongly recommended he should be
kind of curious about the backlog of this stuff, CCP/ISD |
TRUE ZER0
SILENT INC
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:29:00 -
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I log on to evegate in a good mood. Find a couple interesting threads yeah some crappy ones* too. It's never long before 1 of 2 ISD have to interject their self in the thread in some way. Evegate and Eve online are a package deal for a lot of us If one sucks, both suck!
Lets compare this to in game. You're flying along a goon decides to grief you, you have a couple choices for revenge. You could fight back or hire someone to fight for you. An ISD griefs you, have no options! Anything you do will just result in a forum ban and or in game band.
So you get banned what are your options. You can't complain in public about the abuse of power and corruption, it's against the rules.
File a petition? What's the point! If CCP was willing to oppose their free labor, or deal with you fairly any in manner "discussion of moderation is not permitted" wouldn't exist. Gag orders exist for one reason to cover corruption.
I know ISD alts and fanboys disagree, so don't bother responding. We already know who you are and disregard your post just like CCP disregards ours.
As long as ISD exist people like the 2 will sign up. In before lock.
ISD= Forum cancer |
TRUE ZER0
SILENT INC
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:32:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:^^^ ISD Praetoxx wrote:Thread Locked.
Fellow pilots are reminded to keep replies constructive, on-topic and friendly. The forum hamsters will love you for it! I'm confused. How can we reply in a constructive, on-topic, and friendly manner to a locked thread? Did you hit the lock button by accident? Regardless, don't be lazy. Trolling calls for cleaning the thread, not locking it.
Curious, how did eve forums exist for 8 or 9 years before ISD tampering? Old GMs didn't find the need to delete and edit post. In before lock.
ISD= Forum cancer |
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Quaaid
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
128
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:35:00 -
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They need to reinstate lSD Banhammer.
That ***** ruled. |
Pipa Porto
923
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:44:00 -
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TRUE ZER0 wrote:Curious, how did eve forums exist for 8 or 9 years before ISD tampering? Old GMs didn't find the need to delete and edit post.
CCP Zymurgist and the rest of the Community Team at CCP. And they absolutely deleted and edited posts as appropriate. They were just good enough at moderating that they could often re-rail a derailing thread with a good post or two, limiting the need to edit or delete threads. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.09.13 03:38:00 -
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Hello Everyone,
I'm ISD Athechu I'm not a member of ISD:CCL but of ISD:STAR. For those that don't know the difference CCL are the Forum Moderators. STAR is the Support Training and Resources division of ISD we work mostly in the in-game Help Channels. Just thought that I should introducing myself mostly because I moonlight as a forum moderator to help out the team.
Little bit about me, I have been with the ISD program in STAR for about a year and eight months now. I hold the rank of Commander in STAR. Most of my forum moderation responsibility is in the New Citizens Q&A forum but you may see me from time to time posting in other sections beyond EVE Q&A to help with moderation or answer a question. I am happy to talk about EVE and questions you have about EVE or about the ISD Program and joining it (there are some topics I won't talk about so use common sense) if you are interested.
Well that's it for me I like to keep it short and sweet. See you in the help channels or else where. o/ ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources |
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Pipa Porto
924
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Posted - 2012.09.13 05:21:00 -
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ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Everyone,
Since you guys are here, mind bugging your bosses about getting us some feedback when moderation actions affect us? We accept that you may need to edit and delete posts. We do not accept that you need to do it in secret, nor do we trust any EVE players with the ability to do so in secret.
Nobody cared about getting notified when Zymurgist did moderation actions because we did trust him to do a good job and to be judicious in doing his job. It's very clear that the ISD team (if you don't want to be painted with the same brush, get the CCL team a CCL tag) is not being judicious in their moderation. It was looking like they were trying for a while after the debacle in June, but they're moving right back to heavy handed, uneven, and inappropriate moderation. And they're still getting to do it in secret.
Lord Zim wrote:I'm going to just make yet another note in this thread, expressing my concern over the complete lack of feedback which is available if someone were to have their posts either deleted or edited by someone on the mod team. I've made a few posts over the last couple of months, and the only reason I've seen that a few of them have been edited or deleted is because I've been actively monitoring a specific thread where it happened. Apart from that, I am absolutely clueless, and as such there is absolutely no feedback to me (or anyone else) what they may or may not have done wrong, there's absolutely no recourse to dispute the removal or edit of a post (since we generally have absolutely no clue it has happened).
Is there any plans at all to rectify this, or will we have to either just assume all our posts are unmolested/undeleted, or will we have to regularly go through all our posts the last 2 weeks to see if there's any posts there which we're missing or has been edited?
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:02:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Everyone, Since you guys are here, mind bugging your bosses about getting us some feedback when moderation actions affect us? We accept that you may need to edit and delete posts. We do not accept that you need to do it in secret, nor do we trust any EVE players with the ability to do so in secret. Nobody cared about getting notified when Zymurgist did moderation actions because we did trust him to do a good job and to be judicious in doing his job. It's very clear that the ISD team (if you don't want to be painted with the same brush, get the CCL team a CCL tag) is not being judicious in their moderation. It was looking like they were trying for a while after the debacle in June, but they're moving right back to heavy handed, uneven, and inappropriate moderation. And they're still getting to do it in secret. Lord Zim wrote:I'm going to just make yet another note in this thread, expressing my concern over the complete lack of feedback which is available if someone were to have their posts either deleted or edited by someone on the mod team. I've made a few posts over the last couple of months, and the only reason I've seen that a few of them have been edited or deleted is because I've been actively monitoring a specific thread where it happened. Apart from that, I am absolutely clueless, and as such there is absolutely no feedback to me (or anyone else) what they may or may not have done wrong, there's absolutely no recourse to dispute the removal or edit of a post (since we generally have absolutely no clue it has happened).
Is there any plans at all to rectify this, or will we have to either just assume all our posts are unmolested/undeleted, or will we have to regularly go through all our posts the last 2 weeks to see if there's any posts there which we're missing or has been edited?
Each team has it's own corporation that is how you see which division we are in. Anyways I don't care if I'm painted with the same brush i'm just clarifying the difference in teams. I'm only a moonlighter (part-time) so I have no say in policy making for the CCL team, that stays with the teams captains and vice admiral.
As for feedback system best I can do for you is to poke the appropriate people and ask them to reply in here about it. I can't say if they will respond or not but that's the best I can do. The better idea is to just start a thread in F&I (if there isn't one already) about it because I know devs read that section of the forums. Since what you are talking about is an additional feature that needs to be programmed and written into the forum code. ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:06:00 -
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Hey so are any of you going to unlock this thread here James 315 for CSM as hi-sec representative that was locked up for no reason, or is this the thread for ISD officials to simply introduce themselves and debut their uselessness at resolving issues and answering questions? |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:53:00 -
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If ISD is going to keep the peace in the R.I.P threads you have censor all sides. So far all I've seen censored are the anti-religion and let's-hug-the-world-panderers. We need to honor the man for all his contributions and accomplishments. Remove everything else because it's going to troll someone.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.13 10:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Everyone, Since you guys are here, mind bugging your bosses about getting us some feedback when moderation actions affect us? We accept that you may need to edit and delete posts. We do not accept that you need to do it in secret, nor do we trust any EVE players with the ability to do so in secret.
Good morning,
We have made mention of this, both internally and to our chain of command. We actually discussed it as recently as Lord Zim posted his suggestion.
All I can offer you at this point is that it has been raised.
I hope you can see that where it is possible you do get feedback to the level that we can provide. A locked post will have a reply from the appropriate person stating the reason for the lock, An edited post will have a legend saying 'Edit: Reason - Volunteer Name' and a little flag saying Edited by '....'. If we delete posts, we will post in the thread to say that we've cleaned up, and why we've done so.
All of the above is current policy and should be followed at all times, although there may be a time delay between a thread being locked and a reply being posted.
Finally, I hope you can trust any ISD member in their moderation as much as you did Zymurgist, all of my team members have had full training and been subject to rigorous background checks by the GM team.
As I've stated before, if you believe that we have been anything less then impartial, then please either report the post in question, or raise a petition; I can assure you that all such reports are dealt with by the CCP Community team.
Lastly, as a matter of interest - are you aware of any standard forum software that tells users when their posts are moved, edited or deleted ? I am interested in understanding the features that are available, so that I can be better informed in our internal discussions about this.
Thanks and fly safe. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.13 10:54:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:If ISD is going to keep the peace in the R.I.P threads you have censor all sides. So far all I've seen censored are the anti-religion and let's-hug-the-world-panderers. We need to honor the man for all his contributions and accomplishments. Remove everything else because it's going to troll someone.
Hi,
I can personally assure you that we have removed a number of distasteful and frankly disgusting posts in the last 24 hours. We have no intention of censoring anything, that is not our role here.
If we have ventured into politics it has only been where some forum denizens have entered into stereotypical and racial slurs against cultural groups.
I ask of you at this difficult time to appreciate that we're trying to balance between helping people to mark their condolences whilst ensuring that no single person or group is being victimized or otherwise.
Please use the report button to help us to do our job.
Thanks and fly safe. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.13 11:28:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Hey so are any of you going to unlock this thread here James 315 for CSM as hi-sec representative that was locked up for no reason, or is this the thread for ISD officials to simply introduce themselves and debut their uselessness at resolving issues and answering questions?
Hi Nicolo,
This discussion isn't here to simply reverse decisions that were unfavorable to certain people, I'm sorry if that was the impression you received.
The thread in question was reviewed multiple times and each time, we reached the same conclusion, it needed to be locked.
Thanks and fly safe. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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