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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:01:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote: In DMC's post, he admits that he is unaware of the particulars of the incidents that occurred, but then goes on to praise the work of the ISD. I think I'm not alone in my distaste for that unsupportable "fanboi-ism"; it tends to color my judgment of the rest of his words.
I praised the job they've been doing in cleaning up the forums, which has been very noticeable over the past few weeks. What I find distasteful is the "fanboi-ism" lynch-mob mentality that's currently being instigated by a few vocal players.
MailDeadDrop wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:To be fair, while I agree, CCP Guard and CCP Phantom both provided apologies. And the ISD Admiral (Forget his name) also apologized. But it is true, the ISDs in question should ask for apologies if they want the community to forgive them. Fair points. I have no complaint with Guard, Navigator, Phantom, or the ISD Admiral. But an "apology-by-proxy" is a faint substitute for the genuine article. MDD
Were either of you grievously wronged by their actions? They have nothing to apologize for, definitely not because a couple of players demand it.
Vaju Enki wrote:
Keep ranting and raving You not only sow the seeds of discontent, you make personal attacks against CCP, ISD, CCL and me.
Who are you to accused me of anything? You sound exacly like the players you where stereotyping.
My reply was to Crunchie Attuxors yet you seem to be taking it personally, much like an alt character would. I don't know who you are but you're obviously someone who want's to incite a forum flame war with me. |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2559
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:05:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:CCP Guard wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it would have its benefits, but more downsides in my opinion.
One word: metagame. If ISDs used their in-game names, it would mean their actions would be judged by the rules of the game, not the forums. It creates an untenable friction. That is different from the CSM, which indeed must be directly accountable. However, there has to be a way to make them community accountable. Perhaps a quality survey like that used in petitions. That way CCP can have data beyond the (potentially) self-serving subjective assessment of the ISD. "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" is a real problem. We can both accept the need for policing, and be skeptical of the good intentions of the police, and in particular, certain police officers. While in real life this is a hard question, it shouldn't be for CCP, who are a software company that can play god. I pay CCP good money so they can do what I wish I could do, why waste it! :) For example, CCP could compare the number of actions performed with the feedback received on those actions, and monitor it, with monthly reporting - much like the anti-bot /rmt efforts we all like and support but with more data.
You make some good points and what I forgot to add in my previous reply is relevant to this...that while ISD are not here under their own player names and the community therefore doesn't have the same ability as they would otherwise, to pass their own judgment on their objectivity of any given ISD, we certainly have that ability. Along with taking care to select people with a history indicative of strong moral fiber, ISD are mentored and monitored by us. We are also well equipped to scrutinize any accusations of foul play should someone from the community have such suspicions. We watch the watchmen ;)
Not that I'm terribly worried about such a scenario ever playing out , but just the same as when it comes to staff, we like to have the tools and processes in place in case something happens and we want you guys to know that we do have them in place.
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
53
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:35:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:
Who are you to accused us of anything? You sound exacly like the players you where stereotyping.
Not only that, he is doing it with the support and encouragement of a representative of the company we pay money to.
It seems to me, there is license to be abusive as long as it is in the service of CCP and its employees and volunteers. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:37:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:It's okay to call someone stupid, as long as they are stupid and you can back that statement up with a witty post, such as pointing out a nameless-yet-well-known player's prior history as a roleplaying spacehooker. Which becomes an issue when "said history" is a Goonswarm fabrication for a campaign for harrassment that has in the past completely swept beyond these forums into the realm of RL cyber-stalking and poison pen letters to employers. As I've told you before Jade, you're in no position to be throwing stones on this issue since the same happened to CCP Sreegs in his former job after he clashed with you on these very forums and the CSM. You're trying to have your cake and eat it: Somebody goes to your employer and tells them embarrassing stories about what you supposedly do on the internet, you yell from every rooftop that its a Goonswarm conspiracy and we as an alliance are collectively to blame. Somebody does the same to Sreegs and you throw your hands up and say 'nothing to do with me or my alliance, could have been anyone, its a big internet out there'.
speaking of which; isnt that exactly what mittens was crying about on EVE Radio? How cyberbulling is the same as child molesting and having that tag can damage your ability to have a job? Looks like you guys can dish it out but as for taking it........
CCP Guard wrote: We watch the watchmen ;)
Who watches those who watch the watchmen O.o http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
53
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:41:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:We watch the watchmen ;)
Yes, but for example, right in this thread, CCP Navigator supported a nasty attack by a player on those who have shown displeasure with CCP, seemingly encouraging further nasty attacks in this thread by said player.
So you see the problem?
The ISD, devoid of open community evaluations, become the tool of a clique.
I am all for rules, but I am for non-arbitrary enforcement. And while mistakes are inevitable, they can also be prevented and mitigated by processes and technology - and crowdsourcing. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
53
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:46:00 -
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Balak Ragnek wrote:I'm all for giving these forums a clean up and recognise that the cultural reset is going to take a little while so some suggestion on how this might be helped.
1) Next time people log onto the forums have the forum rules come up and require people to read and confirm they understand the rules before being allowed to post again. Backing this up I would suggest a refresh of the rules to ensure comments and clarifications being made here are included.
2) Notify people of when their posts have been cut or removed. I don't think this needs extra explanation by the ISD in the first instance
3) If people have a series of posts that need editing then require further posts to be seen and approved by a member of ISD. At this point the ISD member can explain reasons for further posts being changed.
4) Perhaps a section in the new player tutorials can be added in game giving players some more direction on where to look for more info and getting involved in the community whilst of course pointing out the forum rules.
+1 Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
229
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:55:00 -
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Within 6 months the null sec alliances will make up the vast vast majority of the ISD, and given CCP's refusal to post any in-game information about the "volunteers", there will be zero ways to prove it, other than the circumstantial evidence of what was edited...oh wait, if it is edited or removed, and the poster banned, there will be no evidence.
The best conspiracies are the ones impossible to prove.
CCP, given you plan on banning ALL accounts associated with an targeted poster, it sounds like you are going to use the IP address or personal information of the targeted poster to nail all of his accounts.
So do the same indepth checking on your "volunteers". If you find that someone who is in the ISD with a non-affiliated account, but you search on that IP or personal information, and you find that they have another account with chars in the goons, a pretty good chance their allegiance lies with the goon suppression team. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
588
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:07:00 -
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I see a good market opportunity here for people who manufacture tinfoil. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
53
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:14:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: My reply was to Crunchie Attuxors yet you seem to be taking it personally, much like an alt character would. I don't know who you are but you're obviously someone who want's to incite a forum flame war with me.
I thought you were the champion of peace and tranquility in the forum, yet you launch this uncalled for, bellingerent, challenge. And try to turn simple agreement into a tin foil conspiracy about alts. In the same thread you denounce metagaming, you are metagaming. It makes absolute sense! (not)
Let me put it to you this way: you lose all credibility with me, when your words don't match your actions. Just because you are emboldened that a CCP employee unwisely sought to sanction your behavior, it doesn't mean we have to tolerate it.
So of us, unlike obviously yourself, actually want a productive forum, in which moderation plays a role that advances the interests of the community as a whole, and not used as an instrument for further metagaming.
Your kind of belligerent attitude is one of the things that should be banned for the forums. Yet CCP encouraged it defacto, and you have degenerated further and further.
This doesn't bode well for the whole "we watch the watchmen" idea... if even the very thread this idea is mentioned it fails so spectacularly. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:16:00 -
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The time has come to "face the music". I look back at some of my actions and find that I wish I could retract them. All I can do is to issue a heart-felt apology for any errors that I have made and make a solemn promise to try to do better.
A bit of information about myself. I am one of the older players of EVE and have been away for a period due to a massive heart attack. I originally started with a corporation that played extensively in null space, but since my return I find care bearing a bit more to my liking for now.
I will undertake to provide an explanation of any action that I may take. However, when I make a mistake, please file a petition since that is a sure way to get my attention.
Again, I apologize for my part in the recent problems.
Fly safe.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
53
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:23:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:The time has come to "face the music". I look back at some of my actions and find that I wish I could retract them. All I can do is to issue a heart-felt apology for any errors that I have made and make a solemn promise to try to do better.
A bit of information about myself. I am one of the older players of EVE and have been away for a period due to a massive heart attack. I originally started with a corporation that played extensively in null space, but since my return I find care bearing a bit more to my liking for now.
I will undertake to provide an explanation of any action that I may take. However, when I make a mistake, please file a petition since that is a sure way to get my attention.
Again, I apologize for my part in the recent problems.
Fly safe.
Thank you! Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
61
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:26:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:My name is Eshtir and as you said correctly, i am the Vice Admiral of the CCL team and i am responsible for the CCL volunteers (how can you not know this ) I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be. I'll go out on a limb and suggest the same holds true for Crunchie.
ISD Eshtir wrote:I am sorry to mention it, but this is turning into a witch hunt and that is not what i wish for my volunteers. People ask for apologies, yet carry out the witty remarks about said ISD in other threads, their forum signatures and in posts. I think the sniping and biting comments (*) are a reflection of the lack of respect that those players have for those ISD volunteers. If you want those to cease then you'll need to address the lack of respect. (Note: I'm not meaning to imply that you must, or even should, concern yourself with the sniping, only trying to highlight the reasonable interpretation.)
ISD Eshtir wrote:Will the training effort be doubled and be way more indepth? Yes! Since this thread is about the future of the CCL, and since you're talking about changes to the training of ISD volunteers, would it be appropriate for you to detail how they were originally trained and how you are changing the training to better prepare them? Perhaps the community has some insights into the training.
ISD Eshtir wrote:Will you believe my words? Probably not, but i will let my actions speak for me. Though that will take some time. You're sounding a little defensive. If my posts have you feeling that way, I apologize. I was not directly impacted by the incidents and only have a clinical interest in discussing how to move forward from them.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Were either of you grievously wronged by their actions? They have nothing to apologize for, definitely not because a couple of players demand it. In my experience, an apology is appropriate when a mistake has been committed, regardless of the impact of that mistake. YMMV.
MDD (*) As English is perhaps not your first language, allow me to offer a more precise description than "witty". Witty implies humor with an absence of malice. Those remarks in the other threads you mention seem to have some malice behind them, so "biting comment" or "sniping" is a better description.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:28:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote: Other thrid party sites do not have a legal obligation to keep their forums teen rated and suitable for 13 year olds. We do. This means that wht other forums can allow we are not able to permit.
1) Nobody has a problem with you snipping words that get around the curse filter. The stuff that's been snipped and edited has not had anything to do with maintaining the Teen rating.
2) So far that I know, no rating system rates the online content of games (at least the ESRB doesn't). They rate what the game provides and say something like "Online Experience may Vary"
3) If it took a forum insurrection for you to notice the problem (that has been going on for much longer than 24hrs), why should we expect the future of the ISD CCL team to be any different? Your lead ISD STAR guy came in with this groaner:
ISD Athechu wrote:We are players of the same game as you and we enjoy it like you. The difference is that we have decided to contribute our time to the community that makes EVE so great.
That attitude is exactly why volunteer moderators will not work in a forum like this. With volunteer mods (especially with that attitude), you're either going to suffer the fate of the Blizzard forums or you're going to have a cycle of Insurrection -> Reigning the ISDs in -> Letting them loose -> Insurrection -RubyPorto
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
61
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:32:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:I look back at some of my actions and find that I wish I could retract them.
Bertrand Russell wrote:One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.
Consequently, that you feel "doubt and uncertainty" about your prior acts speaks well of you.
In more vernacular: thanks for manning-up.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:40:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:... I say this to you now, stay the course and do not be swayed by a few discontented opinions. If their posted reply was in compliance with the Forum Rules, then it wouldn't have needed moderation. ... ... DMC You clearly haven't a clue what happened. Legitimate threads with no issues other than mild trolling (nothing worse than every other thread on the forums) from respondents got locked, for no reason, without the OP getting their legitimate question answered. And then an ISD locked another thread and linked to a locked one saying we should post our comments there. And then the rage of insanity that some of us wish had not needed to happen. And now, those who were on the front of the rage machine are trying to get things better by working with CCP. So don't speak when you just embarrass yourself. We posted almost at the same time but yours came on top, but I gotta say +1. Obviously DMC doesn't have the slightest clue of what happened and what is being talked about both in the forums and in the petitions. This does not in any way detract from his overall message which I thought was well written, on topic and I find it pretty difficult to disagree with any of it. Of course, you can continue to berate a couple of green recruits who made an error, which we have apologized for. These guys will retain our support and we will help them improve. Not sure if you can ever forgive and forget but mistakes happen.
His overall message was based on a faulty premise.
We could keep berating them, but the issue is that they've been making the same errors for more than a week and you didn't notice.
Yeah, mistakes happen. Breaches of trust happen. The passive tense just happens.
Failure to own up to your mistakes in an adult way (If you have to use the passive tense, you're not being an adult) means that it will take longer to recover from the mistake. -RubyPorto
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
589
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:41:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:
Consequently, that you feel "doubt and uncertainty" about your prior acts speaks well of you.
In more vernacular: thanks for manning-up.
MDD
Hello! Did you know CCP added a nifty "Signature" function where you don't have to sign your posts manually like you're new to the Internet? Congratulations! Your posting is now better. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:50:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:The time has come to "face the music". I look back at some of my actions and find that I wish I could retract them. All I can do is to issue a heart-felt apology for any errors that I have made and make a solemn promise to try to do better.
A bit of information about myself. I am one of the older players of EVE and have been away for a period due to a massive heart attack. I originally started with a corporation that played extensively in null space, but since my return I find care bearing a bit more to my liking for now.
I will undertake to provide an explanation of any action that I may take. However, when I make a mistake, please file a petition since that is a sure way to get my attention.
Again, I apologize for my part in the recent problems.
Fly safe.
This is how you apologize. This is how an adult apologizes. It's all Active Voice sentences (and a few fragments).
Thank you Tyrozan. Apology accepted. -RubyPorto
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:57:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:My name is Eshtir and as you said correctly, i am the Vice Admiral of the CCL team and i am responsible for the CCL volunteers (how can you not know this ) I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be. I'll go out on a limb and suggest the same holds true for Crunchie.
Does the old man smell transmit over the internet? OH NOES!!!
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:58:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:
Hello! Did you know CCP added a nifty "Signature" function where you don't have to sign your posts manually like you're new to the Internet? Congratulations! Your posting is now better.
You ruined the moment Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
589
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:02:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:You ruined the moment
Yeah, well, you kinda ruined the last few pages of this thread with tinfoil and badposting that CCP really should have told you to stop doing, so I don't feel bad. At all, in fact. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:15:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:You ruined the moment Yeah, well, you kinda ruined the last few pages of this thread with tinfoil and badposting that CCP really should have told you to stop doing, so I don't feel bad. At all, in fact.
Troll detected. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Lord Zim
960
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:17:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:You ruined the moment Yeah, well, you kinda ruined the last few pages of this thread with tinfoil and badposting that CCP really should have told you to stop doing, so I don't feel bad. At all, in fact. Troll detected. Bridge detected. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:01:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:You ruined the moment Yeah, well, you kinda ruined the last few pages of this thread with tinfoil and badposting that CCP really should have told you to stop doing, so I don't feel bad. At all, in fact. Troll detected. Bridge detected.
Cohen the Barbarian, this is your cue... Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
114
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:04:00 -
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You are going off topic guys .... ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:11:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:You are going off topic guys ....
Thank you, I got carried away on the reference... Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:21:00 -
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Balak Ragnek wrote:Its very important to realise that just becuase you don't think it should be an issue does not mean that is actually the case. Where do you draw the line then? In recent years we have seen more and more ridiculous cases of people suing others over allegedly un-PC behavior. It seems to me that right now the only requirement for this appears to be that you felt offended. |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:25:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:No. CCP do not tolerate religious, racial or sexist messaging which is used to cause discomfort to other players.
That will not change, ever. But isnGÇÖt this the crux of the whole debate? A few people claim that they are offended by the use of these words even though they are not the ones addressed. If two people talk to each other and one of them says, for instance, that he himself is GÇ£jewingGÇ¥ or something of that sort (I have never seen it being used myself) then you simply cannot claim that the intent of this phrase is GÇ£to cause discomfort to other playersGÇ¥. Especially if neither of the two interlocutors take offense to it. Why should a third party that is listening in on this conversation have a say in what words these two people may or may not use? Where will this end? Mandatory trigger warnings so that victims of r ape who might be playing EVE are not discomforted when they stumble upon someone mentioning GÇ£abuseGÇ¥ in Local? People have the right to be offended but they do not have the right to censor everyone elseGÇÖs speech because of that. Just my two cents.
You're making this out to be far more complicated than it is. On a public forum, third parties are not just "listening in" as though it's a private converation. It's the equivalent of shouting it out to the world. Just use a bit of common sense - if you really can't do without using words that people might reasonably find offensive, then send a private message or something.
Yes, "reasonable" does have some leeway. Let's not get all interweblawyerz about it.
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Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:36:00 -
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We will be watching. |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:48:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:apologies for stating the obvious but a lot of the recent troubles seem to come down to one very simple issue:
Q: Who has the strongest motivation to volunteer for the CCL? A: Someone who was not happy with the way forum rules were enforced pre-CCL.
People who were basically happy with the way forum rules were enforced by CCP moderators (i.e. extremely sporadically & inconsistently) had little reason to act and those who would want forum rules to be relaxed knew they would not be able to change anything by joining CCL. However, CCL gave those who were fed up about CCP tolerating constant violations of the forum rules an outlet for action (and there isn't much CCP can do about them - after all they only enforce the rules that were created by CCP).
A second point I'd like to bring up is that I don't think having "anonymous" moderators was a good idea. These ISD characters don't have any reputation to gain or to lose through their actions, they don't command any respect and they deemphasize the "those people moderating the community have been chosen from the community itself" aspect which is crucial for the success of this experiment. It also invites speculations about hidden bias on part of the ISD moderators as their true identity is not known. In my opinion CCP would have done good to get respected community figures on board for the CCL and should have leveraged that respect to enforce forum rules. If "ISD Lady Spank" locks my C&P thread for trolling I have little choice but to shut up, look into the mirror and ask myself if I have become a badposter. When "ISD Whatsyourname" does the same my initial reaction is that he probably doesn't "get" C&P anyways. I agree with your assessment that people who think forum moderation can be improved are likely to be the ones that apply but then I don't think that's a band thing since we sort of agree, and that being one of the reasons for starting the CCL...other major reasons being more boots on the ground to gather good feedback, and to interact in a pro-active manner etc. However, I disagree with the argument that we would all be better off if they moderated under their in-game names. While that can work very well in a community that's purely based around a forum and all social repercussions are contained on that forum, it wouldn't work the same in a community where the forum is just a part of a persistent galaxy where their corporations, assets, relationships and livelihood can be severely affected by who's toes they step on during their daily duties. Would they constantly have to worry about things like whether or not to lock someone's thread because he might toss them out of an alliance if they did? Or about editing this guy's thread because he runs the meanest infiltration group known to man and would probably be feasting on their corpses in a few months time if he knew their in-game identities? :) Don't get me wrong, it would have its benefits, but more downsides in my opinion.
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TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
138
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:00:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:
This does not in any way detract from his overall message which I thought was well written, on topic and I find it pretty difficult to disagree with any of it.
Of course, you can continue to berate a couple of green recruits who made an error, which we have apologized for. These guys will retain our support and we will help them improve.
Not sure if you can ever forgive and forget but mistakes happen.
The community will berate your green recruits because you sent them out as green recruits into one of the most populated forums in EVE with what seemed like minimal training, no idea what to expect and no tolerance to any criticism. You need to teach your recruits that, as with Incarna, we know their job better than they do. The community will deal with shiptoasters far more effectively then an ISD will, except for the all-damning lock. This is why they need to listen to us rather than thinking "these guys are morons. Locklocklocklocklocklocklock".
Which is why we need to be able to discuss moderation. Because damnit son, if we can't tell you how to improve, you just can't improve. End of. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
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