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Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive The Mockers AO
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:04:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote: Truth of the matter is that they are not deleting good content from your posts and leaving bad stuff there.
In general perhaps, but... and it's bad form to point it out... but this is exactly what has happened. I've had a post deleted, and then restored after asking. And that is the point. Yes you've got guys learning how to do this job, but you need to be careful about how destructive that learning is, and wholesale deleting of content should be right at the bottom of the list for controlling a situation. (well, apart from Bans, but they don't have that power!) Senior Representative Light Speed Interactive http://www.lightspeedinteractive.net |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
2
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:14:00 -
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Given the open discussion it caused with the Devs. Id say it was worth the ban on posting privileges with my 8 yearold main.
Really CCP, thank you for addressing the situation and opening this dialogue.
"Could I request that ISD please lock my shirt into my trousers?" --áLilliana Stelles 2012.06.25 Never forget. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
319
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:35:00 -
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And as I wake up this morning is seems that the ISD has taken further action against my continued forum existence.
I await a response to my petition not with baited breath as I would be dead many times over.
I cannot wait to get an interpretation of which of the precious "rules" have been breached in some heinous forum crime.
I will keep you posted as this one will likely be interesting. |
Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive The Mockers AO
84
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:38:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:You are going off topic guys ....
Good moderation :) Senior Representative Light Speed Interactive http://www.lightspeedinteractive.net |
Lando Tarsadan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:52:00 -
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Here we go again,
Yet another attemt to use volunteers whom has an interest in your business as customers.
It has happned in just about every MMO there is and imho it has always failed. People whom most of the time sign up for this line of work are mainly power hungry/angry and what not with the current state of business and will most of the time abuse their power cause of eagerness to use them rather than have common sence.
As well as several others here I have also worked/working/volunteered with CS and have been for a good 20 years. as you should know (as its already your job) it takes skill/knowledge patience and understanding to police others. (I use police as thats what moderation is in general about)
So forth we have already seen how moderation can harm more than do good. Already seen several posts in CnP where i would rather have you delete the entire post by the person than read you snip snip snip edited removed by ISD whatsmyname. With little to no reason why it was done.
There is forum rules and we should all follow them. In the perfect world we would not need moderations. But since we need them i would rather see someone with no connection whom is paied by CCP uphold the rules rather than someone whoms hobby/spare time usage is within the same world as he/she polices. in my mind it creates a state of conflict we all play on the same server. and if ISD whatsmyname run into a person on the forum that he has a beef with in game. would be reason enogh to try and fit the vaugest rule violations on that person than his corp CEOs violations. (best part is the violator dont know the ISD person in game have a beef with him) I can understand the anonymoous need for the moderators as they are customers.
You state you will monitor and so forth and maybe you will catch the moderation on the person the ISD has the beef on. but it will be alot harder to catch the places where there were not used moderation as no action were taken. ofcause you have a team where another ISD or CCP employ might catch the violation but at a much later time than it initially could happen cause of favortism was applied.
I know you guys are probably understaffed after the rotation that was made after incarna but pulling in volunteers is imho not the best course of solution to your problem.
Best regards
Lando
PS: Grama and spelling errors you get for free:D
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3222
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:22:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: My reply was to Crunchie Attuxors yet you seem to be taking it personally, much like an alt character would. I don't know who you are but you're obviously someone who want's to incite a forum flame war with me.
I thought you were the champion of peace and tranquility in the forum, yet you launch this uncalled for, bellingerent, challenge. And try to turn simple agreement into a tin foil conspiracy about alts. In the same thread you denounce metagaming, you are metagaming. It makes absolute sense! (not) Let me put it to you this way: you lose all credibility with me, when your words don't match your actions. Just because you are emboldened that a CCP employee unwisely sought to sanction your behavior, it doesn't mean we have to tolerate it. So of us, unlike obviously yourself, actually want a productive forum, in which moderation plays a role that advances the interests of the community as a whole, and not used as an instrument for further metagaming. Your kind of belligerent attitude is one of the things that should be banned for the forums. Yet CCP encouraged it defacto, and you have degenerated further and further. This doesn't bode well for the whole "we watch the watchmen" idea... if even the very thread this idea is mentioned it fails so spectacularly.
OK, so you wanna make this personal.
This makes the 8th or 9th reply posted by you making insulting references and untrue statements about me and CCP. I lost count of how many false statements you posted about CCP, ISD and CCL. It's a shame you feel the need to do this in a CCP thread.
You keep trying to redirect attention onto me by saying I'm being confrontational. What's ironic is that you're the one who is constantly posting sarcastic malicious statements directed personally towards me with the intention to insult, berate and demean, not to mention constantly implying some sort of collusion or double standard by CCP. Not only have you been belligerent and antagonistic towards me, you've also been condescending and demanding towards CCP, ISD and CCL as well.
You have constantly over sensationalized the issue in this thread, spouting lies and posting rude remarks, all with the intention to incite others into rage. You keep saying you're all about the rules and trying to help create a productive forum yet your actions tell a different story. Clearly you're either trying to gain some sort of control over moderation for your own benefit or at the very least, extract some sort of undeserved self entitled revenge.
Quite frankly I had expected you to stop with the personal attacks after the 3rd or 4th reference, but you just couldn't help yourself. You and the 3 or 4 other characters going on the warpath in this thread are definitely meta-gaming this issue, intentionally looking to crucify someone. The only person who is actually emboldened by all of this is you. Due to the topic of this thread you think you can pretty much say anything and if moderation is implemented, you would cry foul and make up some big farce about double standard bullshit..
Your constant yelling and twisting things around, portraying everything out of context in an attempt to gain some sort of twisted advantage in this thread is a fool's errand. Your type of attitude and behavior is the reason forum moderators are needed. Guaranteed if you weren't hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, you'd be singing a very different song. But guess what, since you insist on constantly posting personal attacks and slanderous statements intended to insult and enrage me, you now have my complete undivided attention.
If you want to report this, I'm sure moderators would be interested in viewing your multiple posted replies that are directed personally towards me.
MailDeadDrop wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Were either of you grievously wronged by their actions? They have nothing to apologize for, definitely not because a couple of players demand it. In my experience, an apology is appropriate when a mistake has been committed, regardless of the impact of that mistake. YMMV. MDD (*) As English is perhaps not your first language, allow me to offer a more precise description than "witty". Witty implies humor with an absence of malice. Those remarks in the other threads you mention seem to have some malice behind them, so "biting comment" or "sniping" is a better description.
In my experience, an apology is given freely to those who were actually wronged, not by the demands of a few sanctimonious self righteous sinners claiming they were 'Unjustly Crucified' when actually all they're looking for is to get a little payback for having their posted replies moderated.
Aside from your fail attempt at sarcasm while trying to insult my intelligence, English is my only language. I live in Los Angeles, California, USA. Feel free to come to LA, I'll be sure to treat you like a King. |
Lord Zim
963
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:32:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Aside from your fail attempt at sarcasm while trying to insult my intelligence, English is my only language. I live in Los Angeles, California, USA. Feel free to come to LA, I'll be sure to treat you like a King. Tut tut, physical threats? |
Kaeoz
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:37:00 -
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Forums better place with mods working. |
Malcom Vincent
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:39:00 -
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Learning curve = Cliff.
I would not expect voluntary players with little to no prior training to slide right into awesome from day one.
Outside of being gratefull for them donating their own spare time to do it, its propably a good idea for several posters to adjust expectations to a realistic level.
Perhaps, if the program had been running for a year we'd have experienced moderators so new mods would have someone to lean on in case of doubt.
Outside of that, expect to see the timeframe of PM's to ISD's be that of your own. They are availble when they are awake and available, not when it suits you. Expecting responses within a few minutes is simply unrealistic given the sheer volume of the forums and the availability.
Since we have a history of interviewing ISD's on EVE Stratics, I'd be interested in taking up a new one with the ISD's here.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:02:00 -
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Malcom Vincent wrote: Perhaps, if the program had been running for a year we'd have experienced moderators so new mods would have someone to lean on in case of doubt.
Psst: The program didn't start today.
I am curious exactly when the CCL program did start. I know that I noticed issues about a week ago. -RubyPorto
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Spaja Saist
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:11:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Sorry but I don't think you are doing much but validate our perceptions of the ISD to be frank.
ISD Athechu wrote:To be frank as well my job isn't to change your perception.
CCP Navigator wrote:It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums. No Nav, don't worry. My perception is now very clear when it comes to the ISD.
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Hello Graic.
I totally get it. You do not like ISD and there is not much I can do to change your perception.
My role is to ensure that ISD work for the vast majority of the EVE Online players. The concept of pleasing everyone is an impossibility so i am well aware that not everyone will be happy. [/quote]
The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site. The is one more in a long line of bad ideas from CCP of late. Maybe all the unsubs from the mess that is Unified Inventory has caused CCP to try to form moderate on the cheap. Well we've seen how well that turned out. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
929
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:32:00 -
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I'm actually curious, as it relates to my feelings on the subject.
Is there anything rule or policy wise preventing ISDs from discussing moderation (specifically locks and post removals) in private? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:53:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:I'm all for giving these forums a clean up and recognise that the cultural reset is going to take a little while so some suggestion on how this might be helped.
1) Next time people log onto the forums have the forum rules come up and require people to read and confirm they understand the rules before being allowed to post again. Backing this up I would suggest a refresh of the rules to ensure comments and clarifications being made here are included.
2) Notify people of when their posts have been cut or removed. I don't think this needs extra explanation by the ISD in the first instance
3) If people have a series of posts that need editing then require further posts to be seen and approved by a member of ISD. At this point the ISD member can explain reasons for further posts being changed.
4) Perhaps a section in the new player tutorials can be added in game giving players some more direction on where to look for more info and getting involved in the community whilst of course pointing out the forum rules. +1
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Within 6 months the null sec alliances will make up the vast vast majority of the ISD, and given CCP's refusal to post any in-game information about the "volunteers", there will be zero ways to prove it, other than the circumstantial evidence of what was edited...oh wait, if it is edited or removed, and the poster banned, there will be no evidence.
The best conspiracies are the ones impossible to prove.
CCP, given you plan on banning ALL accounts associated with an targeted poster, it sounds like you are going to use the IP address or personal information of the targeted poster to nail all of his accounts.
So do the same indepth checking on your "volunteers". If you find that someone who is in the ISD with a non-affiliated account, but you search on that IP or personal information, and you find that they have another account with chars in the goons, a pretty good chance their allegiance lies with the goon suppression team.
Sounds dangerously like a rumor http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:17:00 -
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Lando Tarsadan wrote:
There is forum rules and we should all follow them. In the perfect world we would not need moderations. But since we need them i would rather see someone with no connection whom is paied by CCP uphold the rules rather than someone whoms hobby/spare time usage is within the same world as he/she polices. in my mind it creates a state of conflict we all play on the same server. and if ISD whatsmyname run into a person on the forum that he has a beef with in game. would be reason enogh to try and fit the vaugest rule violations on that person than his corp CEOs violations. (best part is the violator dont know the ISD person in game have a beef with him) I can understand the anonymoous need for the moderators as they are customers.
Not to mention the amount of metagaming that goes on in this game honestly Does forum moderating become the next stage of the metagame?
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: My reply was to Crunchie Attuxors yet you seem to be taking it personally, much like an alt character would. I don't know who you are but you're obviously someone who want's to incite a forum flame war with me.
I thought you were the champion of peace and tranquility in the forum, yet you launch this uncalled for, bellingerent, challenge. And try to turn simple agreement into a tin foil conspiracy about alts. In the same thread you denounce metagaming, you are metagaming. It makes absolute sense! (not) Let me put it to you this way: you lose all credibility with me, when your words don't match your actions. Just because you are emboldened that a CCP employee unwisely sought to sanction your behavior, it doesn't mean we have to tolerate it. So of us, unlike obviously yourself, actually want a productive forum, in which moderation plays a role that advances the interests of the community as a whole, and not used as an instrument for further metagaming. Your kind of belligerent attitude is one of the things that should be banned for the forums. Yet CCP encouraged it defacto, and you have degenerated further and further. This doesn't bode well for the whole "we watch the watchmen" idea... if even the very thread this idea is mentioned it fails so spectacularly. OK, so you wanna make this personal. This makes the 8th or 9th reply posted by you making insulting references and untrue statements about me and CCP. I lost count of how many false statements you posted about CCP, ISD and CCL. It's a shame you feel the need to do this in a CCP thread. You keep trying to redirect attention onto me by saying I'm being confrontational. What's ironic is that you're the one who is constantly posting sarcastic malicious statements directed personally towards me with the intention to insult, berate and demean, not to mention constantly implying some sort of collusion or double standard by CCP. Not only have you been belligerent and antagonistic towards me, you've also been condescending and demanding towards CCP, ISD and CCL as well. You have constantly over sensationalized the issue in this thread, spouting lies and posting rude remarks, all with the intention to incite others into rage. You keep saying you're all about the rules and trying to help create a productive forum yet your actions tell a different story. Clearly you're either trying to gain some sort of control over moderation for your own benefit or at the very least, extract some sort of undeserved self entitled revenge. Quite frankly I had expected you to stop with the personal attacks after the 3rd or 4th reference, but you just couldn't help yourself. You and the 3 or 4 other characters going on the warpath in this thread are definitely meta-gaming this issue, intentionally looking to crucify someone. The only person who is actually emboldened by all of this is you. Due to the topic of this thread you think you can pretty much say anything and if moderation is implemented, you would cry foul and make up some big farce about double standard bullshit.. Your constant yelling and twisting things around, portraying everything out of context in an attempt to gain some sort of twisted advantage in this thread is a fool's errand. Your type of attitude and behavior is the reason forum moderators are needed. Guaranteed if you weren't hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, you'd be singing a very different song. But guess what, since you insist on constantly posting personal attacks and slanderous statements intended to insult and enrage me, you now have my complete undivided attention. If you want to report this, I'm sure moderators would be interested in viewing your multiple posted replies that are directed personally towards me.
Given the lack of moderation amongst either of you Id say they disagree
Spaja Saist wrote:
The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site.
No; there never should have been them in a game that takes metagaming to the level this game does.
Out of curiosity, I remember there were other volunteer projects earlier, what was the volunteer system that someone got either CC info or personal info and posted it on Kugu I think it was? Who was it that stole the EVE code? http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:25:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:You are going off topic guys .... Prolly wouldve been a better cue to snip the trolling THEN point out the off topic stuff but thats me
I think it's best we not encourage snipping of posts at this early juncture. They'll eventually get the hang of what can be quelled by that kind of comment and what actually requires a more heavy handed approach. -RubyPorto
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:26:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Spaja Saist wrote: The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site.
No; there never should have been them in a game that takes metagaming to the level this game does. Out of curiosity, I remember there were other volunteer projects earlier, what was the volunteer system that someone got either CC info or personal info and posted it on Kugu I think it was? Who was it that stole the EVE code?
I thought it was giving people free stuff by leaking locations and details of events. -RubyPorto
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3222
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:31:00 -
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Spaja Saist wrote:The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site. The is one more in a long line of bad ideas from CCP of late. Maybe all the unsubs from the mess that is Unified Inventory has caused CCP to try to forum moderate on the cheap. Well we've seen how well that turned out.
Untrue.
The CCL is providing a valuable service for CCP, allowing the Devs more time to work on the game instead of constantly moderating these forums. The CCL was active way before the new UI was implemented into this game.
All players agreed to follow and abide by the Forum Rules when they accepted the EULA and ToS with their game subscription.
For years there has been a relaxed enforcement of the Forum Rules by moderation. Consequently some players took advantage of it and abused that relaxed enforcement by not following the Forum Rules. Over the years that has incited more and more players to follow suite, eventually getting out of control resulting in the forum becoming an unproductive hostile rage fest, causing CCP to enlist help to enforce the Forum Rules.
The problem is that some players still feel that they don't have to abide by the Forum Rules and constantly keep pushing the limit, resulting in some little mistakes being made by the CCL which other players are now trying to use as justification for being hostile. Actually they're mad due to some players being penalized for blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. If everyone had followed the Forum Rules in the first place, none of this would have happened and this thread wouldn't have been created.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:39:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Spaja Saist wrote:The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site. The is one more in a long line of bad ideas from CCP of late. Maybe all the unsubs from the mess that is Unified Inventory has caused CCP to try to forum moderate on the cheap. Well we've seen how well that turned out. Untrue. The CCL is providing a valuable service for CCP, allowing the Devs more time to work on the game instead of constantly moderating these forums. The CCL was active way before the new UI was implemented into this game. All players agreed to follow and abide by the Forum Rules when they accepted the EULA and ToS with their game subscription. For years there has been a relaxed enforcement of the Forum Rules by moderation. Consequently some players took advantage of it and abused that relaxed enforcement by not following the Forum Rules. Over the years that has incited more and more players to follow suite, eventually getting out of control resulting in the forum becoming an unproductive hostile rage fest, causing CCP to enlist help to enforce the Forum Rules. The problem is that some players still feel that they don't have to abide by the Forum Rules and constantly keep pushing the limit, resulting in some little mistakes being made by the CCL which other players are now trying to use as justification for being hostile. Actually they're mad due to some players being penalized for blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. If everyone had followed the Forum Rules in the first place, none of this would have happened and this thread wouldn't have been created.
You really haven't been following the event's of the past day or so at all, have you?
The thing started because ISDs were snipping, editing, moving, and locking threads that were not (under any resonable interpretation of the rules) against the rules.
It got worse when a thread asking how to tuck in your shirt in the Character creator got locked in the fray.
When I troll, I'm perfectly fine with my stuff getting edited, deleted, or locked. When I srspost, it peeves me right off when my stuff gets deleted or locked. It enrages me when it gets edited.
Now, ON TOP of that. EvE has a rich and distinct style of posting a lot of that style is, say, biting. Trying to purge that style in the name of gentrification is a bad idea and will hurt the community. -RubyPorto
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3222
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:54:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Spaja Saist wrote:The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site. The is one more in a long line of bad ideas from CCP of late. Maybe all the unsubs from the mess that is Unified Inventory has caused CCP to try to forum moderate on the cheap. Well we've seen how well that turned out. Untrue. The CCL is providing a valuable service for CCP, allowing the Devs more time to work on the game instead of constantly moderating these forums. The CCL was active way before the new UI was implemented into this game. All players agreed to follow and abide by the Forum Rules when they accepted the EULA and ToS with their game subscription. For years there has been a relaxed enforcement of the Forum Rules by moderation. Consequently some players took advantage of it and abused that relaxed enforcement by not following the Forum Rules. Over the years that has incited more and more players to follow suite, eventually getting out of control resulting in the forum becoming an unproductive hostile rage fest, causing CCP to enlist help to enforce the Forum Rules. The problem is that some players still feel that they don't have to abide by the Forum Rules and constantly keep pushing the limit, resulting in some little mistakes being made by the CCL which other players are now trying to use as justification for being hostile. Actually they're mad due to some players being penalized for blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. If everyone had followed the Forum Rules in the first place, none of this would have happened and this thread wouldn't have been created. You really haven't been following the event's of the past day or so at all, have you? The thing started because ISDs were snipping, editing, moving, and locking threads that were not (under any resonable interpretation of the rules) against the rules. It got worse when a thread asking how to tuck in your shirt in the Character creator got locked in the fray. When I troll, I'm perfectly fine with my stuff getting edited, deleted, or locked. When I srspost, it peeves me right off when my stuff gets deleted or locked. It enrages me when it gets edited. Now, ON TOP of that. EvE has a rich and distinct style of posting a lot of that style is, say, biting. Trying to purge that style in the name of gentrification is a bad idea and will hurt the community.
Obviously you didn't bother to actually read my post. You wanna keep pushing this issue I will gladly pull up Eve Search and link all the reasons for moderation.
The problem started with people not abiding by the Forum Rules, constantly pushing and inciting rage, just as you are now doing.
I have no problem with the snip, edit, delete, move or locking of threads. Maybe if people reviewed the Forum Rules and posted replies in accordance with them, none of that would be necessary. I already mentioned the little mistake by CCL without having to go into detail. That could very easily happen to anyone and don't bother trying to deny it. CCP, ISD and CCL has already apologized about it and yet you keep ranting about it.
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As for the posting style of Eve being Biting, that's your opinion which seems to be the major problem with this sub-forum. People need to read the Forum Rules and post accordingly. If they don't like it, they don't have to post in these forums. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Obviously you didn't bother to actually read my post. You wanna keep pushing this issue I will gladly pull up Eve Search and link all the reasons for moderation.
The problem started with people not abiding by the Forum Rules, constantly pushing and inciting rage, just as you are now doing.
I have no problem with the snip, edit, delete, move or locking of threads. Maybe if people reviewed the Forum Rules and posted replies in accordance with them, none of that would be necessary. I already mentioned the little mistake by CCL without having to go into detail. That could very easily happen to anyone and don't bother trying to deny it. CCP, ISD and CCL has already apologized about it and yet you keep ranting about it.
EDIT :
As for the posting style of Eve being Biting, that's your opinion which seems to be the major problem with this sub-forum. People need to read the Forum Rules and post accordingly. If they don't like it, they don't have to post in these forums.
So the guy asking for help tucking in his shirt was breaking the rules? -RubyPorto
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:34:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I'm actually curious, as it relates to my feelings on the subject.
Is there anything rule or policy wise preventing ISDs from discussing moderation (specifically locks and post removals) in private?
Yes, and for good reason! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:48:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I'm actually curious, as it relates to my feelings on the subject.
Is there anything rule or policy wise preventing ISDs from discussing moderation (specifically locks and post removals) in private? Yes, and for good reason!
Wait, so you can't talk to each other about locks & post removals in private, or you can't talk to us about locks & post removals (at least the ones that involve us [tricky for locks, less so for posts])?
'Cause only one of those rules makes sense. -RubyPorto
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:54:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I'm actually curious, as it relates to my feelings on the subject.
Is there anything rule or policy wise preventing ISDs from discussing moderation (specifically locks and post removals) in private? Yes, and for good reason! Wait, so you can't talk to each other about locks & post removals in private, or you can't talk to us about locks & post removals (at least the ones that involve us [tricky for locks, less so for posts])? 'Cause only one of those rules makes sense.
It seems i need more coffee
We discuss it in the team and with the community team. We just can't provide feedback to forum users regarding moderation actions cia the forum, eve-mail, email or ingame chat. A forum user would need to petition under the community category.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:56:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I'm actually curious, as it relates to my feelings on the subject.
Is there anything rule or policy wise preventing ISDs from discussing moderation (specifically locks and post removals) in private? Yes, and for good reason! Wait, so you can't talk to each other about locks & post removals in private, or you can't talk to us about locks & post removals (at least the ones that involve us [tricky for locks, less so for posts])? 'Cause only one of those rules makes sense. It seems i need more coffee We discuss it in the team and with the community team. We just can't provide feedback to forum users regarding moderation actions via the forum, eve-mail, email or ingame chat. A forum user would need to petition under the community category.
Ok, that's sensible.
If only we trusted petitions for getting initial change to happen, this wouldn't have gotten so ugly.
Edit: fixed spelling in my quote - ISD Eshtir
^^^ I wish I got to do that. -RubyPorto
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.06.28 07:17:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The problem is that some players still feel that they don't have to abide by the Forum Rules and constantly keep pushing the limit, resulting in some little mistakes being made by the CCL which other players are now trying to use as justification for being hostile. Actually they're mad due to some players being penalized for blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. If everyone had followed the Forum Rules in the first place, none of this would have happened and this thread wouldn't have been created. You know, you might want to sweep before your own door before you lament how everyone else is breaking the rules:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Aside from your fail attempt at sarcasm while trying to insult my intelligence, English is my only language. I live in Los Angeles, California, USA. Feel free to come to LA, I'll be sure to treat you like a King. I didn't know RL threats were allowed under the forum rules. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:39:00 -
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Have a sniggerdly day zionist. |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:57:00 -
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Kaeoz wrote:Forums better place with mods working. Not true. You might want to visit the Good Old Games forums. Little to no moderation and yet more civil than some of the the recurring threads that you find here. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:59:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The problem is that some players still feel that they don't have to abide by the Forum Rules and constantly keep pushing the limit, resulting in some little mistakes being made by the CCL which other players are now trying to use as justification for being hostile. Actually they're mad due to some players being penalized for blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. If everyone had followed the Forum Rules in the first place, none of this would have happened and this thread wouldn't have been created. You know, you might want to sweep before your own door before you lament how everyone else is breaking the rules: DeMichael Crimson wrote:Aside from your fail attempt at sarcasm while trying to insult my intelligence, English is my only language. I live in Los Angeles, California, USA. Feel free to come to LA, I'll be sure to treat you like a King. I didn't know RL threats were allowed under the forum rules. You need to start sweeping your own doorway and post some proof instead of making false accusations. There is no RL threat in that reply. Probably be a good idea for you to start worring about yourself instead of constantly trying to troll others. I've seen you troll other players quite often, posting insults and berating them, just like you're trying to do now. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
320
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:48:00 -
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Again the fun police strike:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126419&find=unread
I would argue there are plenty of other less worthy threads taking up real estate.
At least it was totally on topic of EVE discussion. Not guff about waking up next to avatars and getting likes.
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Spaja Saist
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.28 13:16:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Spaja Saist wrote:The problem is quite clear to me. There should never be volunteer moderators on a for profit site. The is one more in a long line of bad ideas from CCP of late. Maybe all the unsubs from the mess that is Unified Inventory has caused CCP to try to forum moderate on the cheap. Well we've seen how well that turned out. Untrue. The CCL is providing a valuable service for CCP, allowing the Devs more time to work on the game instead of constantly moderating these forums. The CCL was active way before the new UI was implemented into this game. All players agreed to follow and abide by the Forum Rules when they accepted the EULA and ToS with their game subscription. For years there has been a relaxed enforcement of the Forum Rules by moderation. Consequently some players took advantage of it and abused that relaxed enforcement by not following the Forum Rules. Over the years that has incited more and more players to follow suite, eventually getting out of control resulting in the forum becoming an unproductive hostile rage fest, causing CCP to enlist help to enforce the Forum Rules. The problem is that some players still feel that they don't have to abide by the Forum Rules and constantly keep pushing the limit, resulting in some little mistakes being made by the CCL which other players are now trying to use as justification for being hostile. Actually they're mad due to some players being penalized for blatantly disregarding the Forum Rules. If everyone had followed the Forum Rules in the first place, none of this would have happened and this thread wouldn't have been created.
You really are quite clueless. Using volunteers is a recipe for disaster which was just proven beyond a doubt by the mess they caused. Nowhere in my post did I say Devs should be wasting their time moderating the forums. Although after the abortion that is Unified Inventory I wish CCP Soundwave would have spent all his time on the forums and not dropped that turd on the players. Here's a idea, hire forum moderators instead of using biased volunteers. I think personally Hilmar should fund them out of his paycheck. After the Incarna expansion last year and the lie of an apology he had to make to the player base because CCP refuses to listen to it's players, here we are once again with them repeating the same mistakes.
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