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TheLostPenguin
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Posted - 2010.02.02 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 02/02/2010 07:04:52 Nice to see that efforts are ongoing to fix the current breakages, but as others have mentioned already (both in this thread and for the previous round of lagging on sisi) the timing of this test leaves alot to be desired. Last time we were asked to attend a 17:00 test, which is kinda early for alot of people, and now its 16:00???? Ok so this makes things easier for CCP as they dont have to pay staff to work later than they otherwise might, but if they want numbers then the tests need to be later as I'm sure i can't be the only EVE player willing to help out on sisi that actualy has a job as well. Please please please arrange these tests at later times, I've never seen the numbers desired during sisi testing on previous tests, moving things forwards and forwards is not going to help with that, wont even bother updating sisi client this time as theres no chance I'll be home early enough
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Shana Matika
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: TheLostPenguin Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 02/02/2010 07:04:52 Nice to see that efforts are ongoing to fix the current breakages, but as others have mentioned already (both in this thread and for the previous round of lagging on sisi) the timing of this test leaves alot to be desired. Last time we were asked to attend a 17:00 test, which is kinda early for alot of people, and now its 16:00???? Ok so this makes things easier for CCP as they dont have to pay staff to work later than they otherwise might, but if they want numbers then the tests need to be later as I'm sure i can't be the only EVE player willing to help out on sisi that actualy has a job as well. Please please please arrange these tests at later times, I've never seen the numbers desired during sisi testing on previous tests, moving things forwards and forwards is not going to help with that, wont even bother updating sisi client this time as theres no chance I'll be home early enough
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same here. Have to work until 18:00 - Same with all other pilots I know. To sad...missed all testings recently cause of this stupid reason called work....
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Resender
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:58:00 -
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for me its the same problem I want to help test but at the times the test starts i'm either in the car driving home from work or eating dinner
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis Test schedule: Thursday [February 4] @ 16:00 GMT
So, CCP wants to go home from work as usual, but expects players to skip work to show up for the test? C'mon CCP, more effort!
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Hentes Zsemle
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: CCP Tanis Test schedule: Thursday [February 4] @ 16:00 GMT
So, CCP wants to go home from work as usual, but expects players to skip work to show up for the test? C'mon CCP, more effort!
Time zones
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WaiKin Beldar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Resender for me its the same problem I want to help test but at the times the test starts i'm either in the car driving home from work or eating dinner
/signed.
Excellent news to hear that CCP is actively trying to solve this problem.
Time for the test, on the other hand, should be re-scheduled on a more appropriate time for the majority of base players during that TZ.
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hentes Zsemle
Time zones
WTB weekend
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hentes Zsemle
Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: CCP Tanis Test schedule: Thursday [February 4] @ 16:00 GMT
So, CCP wants to go home from work as usual, but expects players to skip work to show up for the test? C'mon CCP, more effort!
Time zones
That's not even a sentence. For EU TZ the scheduled time is at least 2 hours early. For US, its morning. So it seems they scheduled it just right for east EU/russians, which are like 10% of the playerbase...
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:26:00 -
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The last time I tried to be there at 17:00 and failed.
At least I don't even need to worry this time. (UTC+1)
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Uber
Caldari Uber Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jose Black The last time I tried to be there at 17:00 and failed.
At least I don't even need to worry this time. (UTC+1)
^^ This
Time AND day are totally borked
I would have said 19:00 GMT on Sunday. sunday always has way more active players than any other day of the week
I'd love to know the reasoning behind the decision to aim for this latest time and day
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Xain deSleena
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:23:00 -
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Hello CCP Tanis
I think this post is the most informative post I have seen by you (CCP) with regard to the "lag" issue. It has been sad seeing all the EVE forum posts and bickering by disgruntled pilots and rarely any feedback from CCP Dev's if any.
Will this type of post continue from CCP where you engage and inform your audience (the players and payers of EVE)?
Please continue to do so because I do enjoy the game and I know we all want to have those awesome Fleet battles with potentially lag-less fighting.
While I applaud the work you are doing to fix the lag issue I see the lack of CCP interaction with the players and payers of EVE through the forum correspondence as a far worse issue than the lag.
Please can you tell me what the CCP Policy is with regards to communicating with those people who are in the EVE community?
I ask this because there are thousands of posts from EVE players on the lag issues and I cannot find 10 posts in reply to questions for CCP over the past few months?
I dont care if the lag issues drag on for the next ten years if I cannot see that CCP is communicating with the players.
The issue TODAY is not the lag it is CCP and communication with EVE players.
If CCP do not want to communicate with the EVE community how can you expect us to want to help you?
Please let me know if I am wrong on this.
If anything I am only trying to highlight what I believe to be true here and so I hope it helps in some way.
All the best with the testing.
Xain
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LordInvisible
Gallente Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:51:00 -
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so yeah, good to hear that CCP finally is taking a look, altough its like 4 months too late??
But anyway, i wont be coming, i'm at work at that time.
Another question arises: why would we spend OUR time helping YOU to solve problems with YOUR game and YOUR server, but when something goes wrong, reply on petitions is that your logs dont show anything?
And dont redball me community, but i'm having socket closed errors few times a day in EVE (while other online games i can play whole day without problem..) and GM's logs dont show nothing, altough i lost million and billions to this errors. The funny part is that my CEO that plays from totally different country gets same DCs and there is alot of crynig about this error on forums..
At least if u manage to code in an error handler, write into error message something more descriptive to debug, even line number where exception handled was caught would be better then current error.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that |
Jewdas Iskariot
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:15:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is, games always been laggy. So what if an alliance loses their entire cap fleet in a turkey shoot. I like turkey shoots. Just need to stop being the dumb turkey.
Not gonna help, my alliance is doing just fine and has benefited from other people doing dumb things and making dumb mistakes.
Learn to play the game and stop whining and making excuses. That or join an alliance who knows how to make the game work to its advantage
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Uwant Me
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:48:00 -
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I'd rather you spent your time rooting out the cheeting GMs and Devs in CCP. You'd be hard pressed to explain what happened to me day before yesterday. 2 characters at the same location, 1 in a carrier, 1 in a Battleship. Hostile hot drop of 30+ attacked my carrier, both carrier and BS moved in the shields, but.... The carrier pilot experienced lots of lag, no response from controls, and that client was disconnected from the server and could not log in for a brief time. All the while, by BS pilot experienced nothing, no lag, no disconnect.
Talk about someone at CCP screwing with capital accounts on behalf of a particular alliance, and make it stop. Cheating has been a part of eve for a long while now, and apparently it still is so. |
Nye Jaran
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis We are in the final planning stages for getting regularly scheduled mass-tests put together which will touch on a broad spectrum of scenarios and actions, but those tests will be more generic. I'll be putting out a dev blog in the near future with more details on this.
If you set up regularly scheduled mass tests, any chance the schedule will rotate a little?
Test 1 - Monday, Noon Moscow time Test 2 - Tuesday, Noon UK Time Test 3 - Wednesday, Noon EST Test 4 - Thursday, Noon PST Test 5 - Friday, Noon Aus time (not sure how many time zones in Australia and lacking the energy to look it up due to egregious lack of coffee)
And I understand the tests won't be consecutive days, maybe something like every 15 days or something.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.02.02 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jose Black The last time I tried to be there at 17:00 and failed.
At least I don't even need to worry this time. (UTC+1)
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Jonas Trelonian
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Uber
Originally by: Jose Black The last time I tried to be there at 17:00 and failed.
At least I don't even need to worry this time. (UTC+1)
^^ This
Time AND day are totally borked
I would have said 19:00 GMT on Sunday. sunday always has way more active players than any other day of the week
I'd love to know the reasoning behind the decision to aim for this latest time and day
/signed
How about this CCP: give the whole dev team Friday off and move the lag test to Sunday (with the stipulation that all devs must be present and NOT DRUNK). That way everyone still gets a 2-day weekend, and you get a decent amount of players = decent amount of test data.
Also, for the love of God, FIX THE FORUMS. At least have a look at the stupid JavaScript that limits the number of input characters in the "reply" textbox (IE 8), because I had to type this post in Notepad. Here's a hint: your OnKeyDown and/or OnKeyUp handlers aren't working too well. Here's another hint: not everyone uses the mouse wheel for scrolling.
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Terror Rising
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:12:00 -
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Damn .. would have loved to help but .. I got this whole "work" thing going on at 4 o'clock.
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Cheekything
Gallente Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:20:00 -
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I think some people forget that ccp live in iceland and may want to go home for the night.
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Altaree
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekything I think some people forget that ccp live in iceland and may want to go home for the night.
Yup, I guess the eastern Europe guys and college kids will have to take care of this. Everyone from Poland west will still be at work...*boggle* (I think Poland, I am not too sure of where the timezones lie in that part of the world.) --Altaree
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Dante Edmundo
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Posted - 2010.02.02 17:07:00 -
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Hi CCP Tanis,
CCP might consider a small lottery prize for every pilot that gets on Singularity that day. LOTRO did that once when they were stress testing servers and it appeared to help.
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.02.02 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Swidgen on 02/02/2010 18:08:49 I think some people forget that when your primary product requires you to work off-hours then you do it.
I'd love to help during this test. Give me a 1-button selection to switch back and forth between TQ and the test server and I'll do it.
I can probably summarize the crux of the problem in 100 words, but I'm not getting paid to do so so I'll reserve my "i told you so" for another time. Besides, the guys who made some of the critical design decisions will be the last to admit it.
Good luck with the testing.
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Digital DaVinci
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Posted - 2010.02.02 18:46:00 -
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Dear CCP Folks,
I have recently been troubleshooting an issue with my cable ISP which has resolves itself to a comprimised main feed line to my block, they are replacing the line today sometime. However, in the process of troubleshooting, I have discovered through a series of speedtests through speedtest.net that the pipeline between the continental US and Iceland is not what it should be. I show a lag on speed tests that seems odd, it is like once the signal hits US networks it gets faster and conversely it slows down once it leaves New York. You can see it while the test is running.
It is a gut feeling on my part, and an observation. I could be wrong, or it could be looking like that because of the local issue I have been having. When they switch my blocks main line, I will do some more testing on it to doublecheck my observations, and will post results to this thread. I hope this helps.
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare Destined For Glory
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Posted - 2010.02.02 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 02/02/2010 18:55:04 You know, I suddenly don't blame CCP for not listening/responding the the player base.
I see CCP trying to be helpful and simply asking that, if you are able, jump on the test server! They are actually responding to the problem (not being a smartass here, just stating a fact). What I see from the player base in return...
CCP should test this... The problem is this... Why not do it this way... Reward me for helping make the game better... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... The problem is this... The problem is this... / FIX THE FORUMS! (working on the lag is appearently a lower priority for this person) THe problem is this... Reward me for helping make the game better... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... (FFS! WHAT THE ****!) Cheating GM's/Devs (I'll call you out personally, **** YOU Uwant Me!) Timezone complaint... Timezone complaint... Reward me for helping make the game better... Timezone complaint...
I rounded up those numbers pretty quick, I'm sorry if one of you complained about the timezone and I missed it.
CCP didn't say "miss work to help us with our game" or "skip school to help us with our game" or "don't sleep before your final to help us with our game". They said "be there if you can". I don't see how the **** this translates to "So, CCP wants to go home from work as usual, but expects players to skip work to show up for the test?" When were you EVER asked to SKIP WORK for a test? huh? when? Show me the post from CCP saying "alright, on Tuesday everyone skip work, class, and generally any other real life issue to help us. If you have a wedding, call that **** off!"
Yes, this is a rage post, **** you playerbase! I've *****ed about this with the rest of you, but this is solid proof that CCP is trying to find and fix the problem, and I see as much *****ing and whining and complaining as I do helpful and encouraging posts, if not more so!
Eve has 200,000+ paid accounts last I heard, record logged on was 56,000, and I see 25,000 to 35,000 logged on frequently, CCP needs FOUR HUNDRED!, (1.6% of 25,000, if my numbers are right). So all of you that are *****ing about the time the test is held at, GO TO SLEEP! CCP needs 2 in 100 that are logged on during any given time, I'm sure they will make their numbers, or close enough for the purposes.
If you can make it, do so, if you can't, oh well. For those of you who expect CCP to work through the night, or through the weekend for what? For you? You'll ***** and whine and moan anyway, this thread proves it. STFU!
CCP, thank you for posting info on the issue and for trying to find bugs, I appreciate your hard work.
tl;dr - Half the people in this thread are whiny *****es, if this offends you then you probably are one. If aren't, then this doesn't apply to you, move on.
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ElfeGER
Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.02.02 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Digital DaVinci Dear CCP Folks,
I have recently been troubleshooting an issue with my cable ISP which has resolves itself to a comprimised main feed line to my block, they are replacing the line today sometime. However, in the process of troubleshooting, I have discovered through a series of speedtests through speedtest.net that the pipeline between the continental US and Iceland is not what it should be. I show a lag on speed tests that seems odd, it is like once the signal hits US networks it gets faster and conversely it slows down once it leaves New York. You can see it while the test is running.
It is a gut feeling on my part, and an observation. I could be wrong, or it could be looking like that because of the local issue I have been having. When they switch my blocks main line, I will do some more testing on it to doublecheck my observations, and will post results to this thread. I hope this helps.
DD
TQ and SISI are located in London
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TheLostPenguin
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Posted - 2010.02.02 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing Edited by: BeanBagKing on 02/02/2010 18:55:04 <rant>
Lots there, I'll start with the timing comments posted here, yes some may be whiny and mitchy in tone, but ignore the tone and read the message, this is FEEDBACK that the direction CCP are going with testing is not good for a number of people. Why does it matter if a few of us are disgruntled about the timing of this, when it only needs a small % of people to log in and help with testing? Tanis asked once again for a minimum of 200 and ideally over 400 pilots for this test, on the basis of previous tests I've been on (at later times) then 200 might just show up, certainly never seen 400 there (altho i did mis the all lvl 5 testing which i guess gained higher numbers, shame that the nubs wanting to fly big shiny not help test spoilt that, guess we wont get that happen again any time soon so moving tests to a less convenient time is not likely to help with numbers since it seems theres a VERY small number of people are willing at all to take an hour to help test things out. Guess thats more a comment on the player base of EVE than anything else, fact is we have a pretty small pool of people willing to take time and losing even a few is likely to impact the success of any testing.
As for expecting CCP to work through the night/weekend, iirc Iceland is on GMT +0 or close, so we're talking a couple of hours overtime occasionally for a handfull of staff that actualy need to be there at the time poking the server with sticks, I'm guessing 3 or 4 devs to run things as logs can be scoured properly next day, that doesn't really seem hugely unreasonable to me, especially if thats whats required to get the data they need, after all people are giving their time to do testing on something they pay to play....
I wish you all the best with the testing Tanis and hope you get the numbers needed and some good data, if you struggle for people more than usuall, after this thread I don't think its any mystery why... Oh and people complaining about other issues here, you'll stand a fractionally better chance of getting a response if you do it in a thread actually related to the issue directly.
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Sugarush
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:01:00 -
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Any chance we can get an updated mirror before we start?
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Xian Cthulhu
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:17:00 -
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I also want help test these things but I asked my mom and she said there is no chance I can stay up this late (and she is disconnect the internet at night so I will not play after bed time). Good luck and maybe next time.
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.02.02 22:20:00 -
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I have to agree with many of my fellow pilots. 2200 GMT would be the optimal time to perform this test.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.02.02 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: DJ Obsidian I have to agree with many of my fellow pilots. 2200 GMT would be the optimal time to perform this test.
Maybe for you... Maybe if you want to test when there are max people on TQ, but not for the Devs. I mean at 2200 I wanna go drinking, not enjoying lag spikes. So y'know...
In reality, no matter when you schedule the mass tests, they will always exclude a decent proportion of the playerbase.
With that in mind, the devs stick the tests whenever is good for them. They most likely have to co-ordinate a decent number of people's schedules, as well as set-up the server for whatever they have to do. So they put the test at wherever it fits into the schedule and thats life.
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