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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.03 21:38:00 -
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Yes, this is "another" one of those threads. I haven't really flown a Hulk in a while...but having actually developed tank fits and such, I'll just say: WTF is with its fitting ability? It's a T2 barge designed for "deep space", but it's impossible to fit a tank for 0.0 rats without a deadspace booster.
My proposal:
+1 mid slot for increased tanking ability (hardeners, etc). CPU: 300 -> 500 for fitting additional tanking modules. Powergrid: 35 -> 250 so it can fit LSEs and medium shield boosters. Capacitor: 625 -> 1000 to increase available cap to run the booster.
Of course, these are very rough numbers and could use some discussion, but basically, the Hulk and other exhumers need to be looked at if they are to be used more readily in 0.0. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to buy a 150mil brick with the tank of a cruiser unless you spend more ISK on deadspace equipment, which makes you a flying pinata anyway! Also, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.03 22:13:00 -
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drop 1 MLU and fit a DCU. voila your hulk is much harder to gank.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.02.03 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever drop 1 MLU and fit a DCU. voila your hulk is much harder to gank.
I must be very tired or something, because I can't find the spot where op writes about ganking. I did however read a comment about tanking the deepspace rats that tend to show up in the deepspace belts that it's intended to mine in.
So, yeah...
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.02.03 23:51:00 -
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If I can reasonably tank rats in 0.0... then there's something wrong with you guys.
course you sacrifice mining ability for the tank... but I don't think this is a smart move.
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Domini Umbrus
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Posted - 2010.02.04 07:13:00 -
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Hulks would DEFINITELY be awesome if they didn't have to rely on deadspace mods for tanking. Allowing shield extenders is probably overkill (highsec ganking of Hulks will become harder), but an increased tank wouldn't affect the gank-abilty all too much. -------------------------- 2 Years later, mining continues to be the most overlooked game mechanic in Eve |
Agent Unknown
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Posted - 2010.02.04 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Unknown on 04/02/2010 16:09:10
Originally by: darius mclever drop 1 MLU and fit a DCU. voila your hulk is much harder to gank.
Like this?
[Hulk, Max Tank]
3x Modulated Strip Miner II (Scordite Mining Crystal II)
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 2x Invulnerability Field II ML-3 Amphilotite Mining Probe
Emergency Damage Control I Mining Laser Upgrade II
2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
[Statistics - Agent Unknown]
Effective HP: 20,200 Tank Ability: 54.52 DPS Damage Profile - <Omni-Damage> (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%) Shield Resists - EM: 70.41%, Ex: 83.43%, Ki: 82.24%, Th: 76.33% Armor Resists - EM: 64.40%, Ex: 19.90%, Ki: 33.25%, Th: 42.15%
Capacitor: Stable at 10%
20k EHP is decent, but its tank ability is horrible (under 100 for all types). You HAVE to fit a deadspace booster to tank 0.0 rats. Suicide gank prevention is not my goal; it's just the ability to be able to active tank without seriously gimping the setup. As it stands, it can't even fit medium boosters.
If needed, the powergrid boost can be reduced so an LSE won't fit but a medium booster (or even large) will. Of course, even with that it's difficult to tank triple BS spawns in it anyway because of its huge sig radius and slowness. Also, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads
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Van Haulen
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Posted - 2010.02.04 16:12:00 -
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Not supported.
A gistii b type small booster and dread gurista specific hardeners are cheap investments for a hulk pilot in 0.0; at least when I was mining out there, I was perma-tanking 3 battleship rats without problems.
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Xander XacXorien
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Posted - 2010.02.04 20:39:00 -
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Eve is supposed to be a dynamic not a static universe.
Problem of both 0.0 tanking without expensive modules and ganking with cheap T1 ships - practically 0 cost.
A 0.0 ship is a 0.0 mining ship,, if the first ship into 0.0 blew up (there would have been no deadspace gear) then the ship would never have been flown and it would have been redesigned.
Boost it and boost it a lot.
Mackinaw is quite frankly insulting as it stands,,, WTF am I paying my subscription for ?
While ur at it boost Rorqual so it can toe to toe with 5+ BS or at least tank for a prolonged period.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.04 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Xander XacXorien Eve is supposed to be a dynamic not a static universe.
Problem of both 0.0 tanking without expensive modules and ganking with cheap T1 ships - practically 0 cost.
A 0.0 ship is a 0.0 mining ship,, if the first ship into 0.0 blew up (there would have been no deadspace gear) then the ship would never have been flown and it would have been redesigned.
Boost it and boost it a lot.
Mackinaw is quite frankly insulting as it stands,,, WTF am I paying my subscription for ?
While ur at it boost Rorqual so it can toe to toe with 5+ BS or at least tank for a prolonged period.
i wonder how much a basilisk or two would help tanking with the mining fleet op.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.04 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Xander XacXorien Eve is supposed to be a dynamic not a static universe.
Problem of both 0.0 tanking without expensive modules and ganking with cheap T1 ships - practically 0 cost.
A 0.0 ship is a 0.0 mining ship,, if the first ship into 0.0 blew up (there would have been no deadspace gear) then the ship would never have been flown and it would have been redesigned.
Boost it and boost it a lot.
Mackinaw is quite frankly insulting as it stands,,, WTF am I paying my subscription for ?
While ur at it boost Rorqual so it can toe to toe with 5+ BS or at least tank for a prolonged period.
i wonder how much a basilisk or two would help tanking with the mining fleet op.
It would help quite a bit, but that's not the point. The point is that the Hulk has a horrific tank for what it's designed for, as does the Mackinaw and the Skiff. Also, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.04 22:59:00 -
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Quote: [Hulk, doh] 'Radical' Damage Control I Mining Laser Upgrade II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
25k EHP tanks 82 passive (with purger rigs 97dps tanked but only 21k EHP)
the extender fit has enough buffer and resists to have maybe an orca RR you (reps from a single medium shield transporter gives you wooping 298 dps tank! large puts you at 500.)
your shield buffer should last long enough to kill eventual scrambling frigates and warp out if the dmg gets too much.
imho expecting to be able to mine without support in 0.0/lowsec is funny. :)
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.02.07 06:00:00 -
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If you want to mine with a tank, use a battleship, or get reps from a Rorqual. Not supported.
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:46:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing a wee bit of a boost to the grid so that the cruiser size ship could actually fit one or two cruiser size shield mods, but seriously... if you can't tank the npc rats in 0.0 you should just give up and go back to empire. And the comment about the rorqual being too fragile? Tell me that was a joke...
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