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Delucian
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Posted - 2011.07.02 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Delucian on 02/07/2011 14:04:05 DMC - I am just trying to get my faction standing to the point where I can travel in Gallente space without them pew pew webbin me so I can join Red vs Blue for some PVP'ing.
My standing currently is -5.26 (was -7.38 before I trained Diplomacy ) Anyhow, where does it have to be before I can travel safely? (aka - what is my quickest route through your plan to improve it to just get me travelin around the Gallente cosmos?
Edit; BTW, very nice plan. Good to see players helping others (like me).
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Isabella Thresher
Fat Kitty Inc. Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.07.02 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 02/07/2011 16:41:58 Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 02/07/2011 16:41:00 Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 02/07/2011 16:40:34 hello, and thanks for the nice guide.
i am trying to get caldari standing above 0, while keeping my gallente standing high.
so i flew all 9 starter datacenter missions for caldari, and noticed that for every increase in caldari, i got a more than 50% decrease in gallente.
e.g.: 1.875% caldari increase and -1.1856% gallente decrease
does that mean that when constantly doing 16 gallente and 16 caldari missions, my standings will more or less keep the same, or do both rise, but slowly?
would you guys recommend me to do always 16 gal vs 16 cald or would you recommend me to do derived faction missions (e.g. sisters of eve lower caldari not as hard as a gallente storyline mission, but still raise gallente reasonably good) ? which approach is rising both factions faster?
there was a very interesting thread about this ( http://www.eve-search.com/thread/632650/page/1#2 ) but for me, this one question still needs an answer.
thanks for any comments! cheers!
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QbusPuchatek
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.02 19:53:00 -
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Sisters of EVE Epic arc does not working. I do it today with no ANY standing changes. This can be a bug I wrote a petition and waiting on answer.
But i think that after patch CCP remove factions standings increase from all of the Arc,, so as removing utorial agents.
sorry for my English
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.02 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Delucian DMC - I am just trying to get my faction standing to the point where I can travel in Gallente space without them pew pew webbin me so I can join Red vs Blue for some PVP'ing.
My standing currently is -5.26 (was -7.38 before I trained Diplomacy ) Anyhow, where does it have to be before I can travel safely? (aka - what is my quickest route through your plan to improve it to just get me travelin around the Gallente cosmos?
Edit; BTW, very nice plan. Good to see players helping others (like me).
Delucian, thanks.
The Faction standing needs to be above -5.00 to travel safely in that specific Factions space.
If you haven't maxed out the Diplomacy skill yet, train another level. If it is maxed, hopefully Minmatar Faction is above -5.00 standing. If so, do a couple of missions for the Minmatar Event Agents until Gallente is above -5.00 Faction standing.
If Minmatar Faction standing is lower than Gallente, you'll have to grind regular level 1 missions (16 + storyline) for a Gallente Agent in a Corporation located in friendly space until the Faction is above -5.00 standing, then you can start working the 'Plan' to reach the desired amount of Faction standing wanted.
DMC
Originally by: Isabella Thresher hello, and thanks for the nice guide.
i am trying to get caldari standing above 0, while keeping my gallente standing high.
so i flew all 9 starter datacenter missions for caldari, and noticed that for every increase in caldari, i got a more than 50% decrease in gallente.
e.g.: 1.875% caldari increase and -1.1856% gallente decrease
does that mean that when constantly doing 16 gallente and 16 caldari missions, my standings will more or less keep the same, or do both rise, but slowly?
would you guys recommend me to do always 16 gal vs 16 cald or would you recommend me to do derived faction missions (e.g. sisters of eve lower caldari not as hard as a gallente storyline mission, but still raise gallente reasonably good) ? which approach is rising both factions faster?
there was a very interesting thread about this ( http://www.eve-search.com/thread/632650/page/1#2 ) but for me, this one question still needs an answer.
thanks for any comments! cheers!
Isabella Thresher, you're welcome. Your situation is similar to another player - Normal citizen - which is just a couple of replies above.
Since you've already completed the level 1 Data Center agents for Caldari, do the Amarr level 1 Data Center agents. That will lower the amount of negative Faction standings incurred by Gallente. For every positive Faction standing gained, that Factions enemy will incure a smaller negative Faction standing hit. The same applies to their allies.
Basically it's 1 step forward and 1/2 step back. This is the reason for keeping an eye on the standings and doing the 'Bounce' action. After 'Bouncing' round between all Empire Factions, the end result is about 1/2 step forward for all Factions.
While working this 'Plan' or just doing regular missions + storyline, always check the standings and 'Bounce' to the lowest Faction standing listed. The 16 + storyline missions might need to be done a couple of times for one specific Faction due to the type of storyline missions offered.
If you decline all encounter missions against Empire Factions and bounce around between the Factions when needed, all Faction standings will rise.
Completing missions for the Event Agents listed in this 'Plan' is the quickest way to raise Faction standings. I know a few players that go by the old method posted in that link. And it is an old method. Things have changed since the time that was posted.
As I've said before, this thread is just a 'Plan' and can be worked various different ways, depending on how far you want to take it.
I hope this has helped both of you. I wish you both good luck and much success.
DMC
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.02 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: QbusPuchatek Sisters of EVE Epic arc does not working. I do it today with no ANY standing changes. This can be a bug I wrote a petition and waiting on answer.
But i think that after patch CCP remove factions standings increase from all of the Arc,, so as removing utorial agents.
sorry for my English
QbusPuchatek, no need to be sorry about your English.
I understand you completely and thanks for the update. This last expansion has more bugs in it than all the other ones that I remember.
CCP will add a Faction standing increase for the arc as well as any other Event Agent mission listed in this 'Plan' if it's not added automatically. Just have to do what you did, file a petition in-game.
I hope CCP get's this straighten out asap.
Thanks again and good luck.
DMC
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Tchal'la
Caldari Tachyon Training
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Posted - 2011.07.03 04:34:00 -
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DMC,
One other source of faction standing you left out of the plan: The lvl 1 Data Center courier missions give you a signed graduation certificate. If you do a Show Info on it, it will give you a contact in another system to take it to. If you do, they will give you a 6-mission arc with an embedded 3-mission mini-arc. Both the mini-arc and the regular arc give faction standing.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.03 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tchal'la DMC,
One other source of faction standing you left out of the plan: The lvl 1 Data Center courier missions give you a signed graduation certificate. If you do a Show Info on it, it will give you a contact in another system to take it to. If you do, they will give you a 6-mission arc with an embedded 3-mission mini-arc. Both the mini-arc and the regular arc give faction standing.
Tchal'la, thanks.
I appreciate any and all efforts to find other sources of Faction standing increase.
However, if you check here, you'll see that information is already included in the 'Plan'.
Thanks again and please continue looking for any other ways to increase Faction standings or for URL guide links with more current information. As always, I'll be sure to update and edit this 'Plan' asap.
DMC
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Delucian
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Posted - 2011.07.03 22:06:00 -
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Quote: Delucian, thanks.
The Faction standing needs to be above -5.00 to travel safely in that specific Factions space.
If you haven't maxed out the Diplomacy skill yet, train another level. If it is maxed, hopefully Minmatar Faction is above -5.00 standing. If so, do a couple of missions for the Minmatar Event Agents until Gallente is above -5.00 Faction standing.
If Minmatar Faction standing is lower than Gallente, you'll have to grind regular level 1 missions (16 + storyline) for a Gallente Agent in a Corporation located in friendly space until the Faction is above -5.00 standing, then you can start working the 'Plan' to reach the desired amount of Faction standing wanted.
DMC
Ok, did a few things first. Working on maxing out my Diplomacy skill. I went out to Gallente space to try to do tutorial missions, but I guess my standing is too low to be able to do that, could not get any agents.
So, in what you noted above, my standing with Minnie's is only a -1.38. So will getting one of their agents in Caldari space (I can find one in The Citidel), improve my standing with each mission? I tried getting a Gallente agent, and did some griding of L1's to get a Story Line, but after 16 missions and 1 SL, my status improved by .06!
Anyhow, just confirming (before I waste more time) that getting a Minnie agent will move this along. Also, will ratting in Gallente space help me any?
Thanks
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.04 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Delucian
Quote: Delucian, thanks.
The Faction standing needs to be above -5.00 to travel safely in that specific Factions space.
If you haven't maxed out the Diplomacy skill yet, train another level. If it is maxed, hopefully Minmatar Faction is above -5.00 standing. If so, do a couple of missions for the Minmatar Event Agents until Gallente is above -5.00 Faction standing.
If Minmatar Faction standing is lower than Gallente, you'll have to grind regular level 1 missions (16 + storyline) for a Gallente Agent in a Corporation located in friendly space until the Faction is above -5.00 standing, then you can start working the 'Plan' to reach the desired amount of Faction standing wanted.
DMC
Ok, did a few things first. Working on maxing out my Diplomacy skill. I went out to Gallente space to try to do tutorial missions, but I guess my standing is too low to be able to do that, could not get any agents.
So, in what you noted above, my standing with Minnie's is only a -1.38. So will getting one of their agents in Caldari space (I can find one in The Citidel), improve my standing with each mission? I tried getting a Gallente agent, and did some griding of L1's to get a Story Line, but after 16 missions and 1 SL, my status improved by .06!
Anyhow, just confirming (before I waste more time) that getting a Minnie agent will move this along. Also, will ratting in Gallente space help me any?
Thanks
Delucian, I think we have a communication breakdown.
I probably misunderstood what it is exactly that you want to do. I believe you said you wanted to raise Gallente Faction standing above -5.00 to safely travel in Gallente space without being attacked by the NPC Navy.
All level 1 Agents are available to everyone regardless of standings.
The 'old' Tutorial Agents have been retired by the new Aura NPE. The level 1 Event Agents (Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos) should be available to you. The URL links posted in this 'Plan' list the locations of the Event Agents. All Event Agents listed in this 'Plan' give Faction standing increase for completing their mission series. Most of them can only be completed once in the life of the character. Each standing increase for a specific Faction will incur derived standings (Positive and Negative) towards the other Factions. The only exception to that are the Epic Arcs. Ratting won't help raise Faction standings. Completing missions (16 + storyline) for regular Agents will take a long time since only the storyline mission will give Faction standing increase.
Going with the different options I had posted to you earlier, you should have been able to access the Gallente Event Agents safely. If no access to the Gallente level 1 Event Agents, file a petition in-game - character stuck.
Bottom line: Besides training the Social skills, you'll have to travel to the Event Agents and complete their mission series to quickly gain Faction standing increase.
I hope this clears things up for you.
DMC
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Delucian
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Posted - 2011.07.04 04:27:00 -
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DMC - thanks so much. It was probably my missunderstanding. No worries.
Anyhow, my next level of Diplomacy finished tonight and I am down to a -4.51, so problem solved.
However, I will keep your plan bookmarked for future reference.
I really appreciate your dedication to answering our questions.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.04 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Delucian DMC - thanks so much. It was probably my missunderstanding. No worries.
Anyhow, my next level of Diplomacy finished tonight and I am down to a -4.51, so problem solved.
However, I will keep your plan bookmarked for future reference.
I really appreciate your dedication to answering our questions.
Delucian, you're welcome.
Congratz on now being above -5.00 Faction standing. You should be able to travel safely to complete missions for the Event Agents.
Diplomacy skill is just a temporary fix. Completing Anti-Empire Faction encounter missions will cause the standing to drop back down below -5.00.
To access high level agents above level 1, need to have the required amount of Corporation standing with Faction standing above -2.00.
Level 1 = always available Level 2 = +1.00 standing Level 3 = +3.00 standing Level 4 = +5.00 standing Level 5 = +7.00 standing
Right now my advice is complete the Level 1 SoE arc for Gallente. It will give you +8.75% Faction standing increase with no derived standings incurred and can be completed every 3 months. Then later you can do the other Event Agent missions listed in this 'Plan' whenever needed to stay above -5.00 Faction standing.
Anyway, good luck to you in whatever you decide.
DMC
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Isri Gythral
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Posted - 2011.07.08 07:32:00 -
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Thanks for a great plan. This has helped me and saved alot of time getting the standing for the level 4 Epic Arcs. |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:12:00 -
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Isri Gythral, you're welcome.
It's good to hear the 'Plan' helped you and thanks for posting.
I hope you have continued good luck.
DMC
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Delucian
As a final question; Can I run most agent missions and avoid either event or storyline missions and keep my standing pretty neutral?
Well, if you decline all encounter missions against Empire Factions and decline all Storyline mission offers, yes the Faction standings will stay the same.
However, the Storyline missions usually have excellent rewards and would be a shame to decline all of those. The only Storyline missions I decline are encounter missions against Empire Factions.
I suggest you keep watch on your Faction standings and when needed, complete a few of the Event Agent missions listed in this 'Plan' to stay above -5.00 Faction standing for safe travel. Actually it would be better to keep Faction standing above -2.00 for access to high level agents since there's a limited amount of level 1 Event Agents available.
Another option is to 'bounce' between the Factions doing a set or two of 16 regular mission + storyline to help maintain Faction standings.
I hope this helps.
DMC
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Lizzi Borden
Gallente Non Entity
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:08:00 -
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I normally don't throw props, I just troll, however, your guide is EXTREMELY helpful to me. Raised my standing with a faction my main was -9 with to -0.23, in less than a week, and had some fun doing it (SOE Epic Arc + Tutorial missions + Cosmos Agents). To spite buying overpriced tags to hand into agents, I actually made isk (not that I care, my main spends most of his time running 0.0 anomalies in twin carriers). Anyways, great guide and thanks again!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:45:00 -
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Lizzi Borden, you're welcome and thank you very much for not bringing the ax down on me.
It's always good to hear how this 'Plan' has helped players. I hope you have continued good luck and much success with your career.
Thanks for posting and please feel free to refer the 'Plan' to other players who can benefit from it.
DMC
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Merii Kha'sen
Amarr Unity Exploration
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Posted - 2011.07.09 01:13:00 -
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Hey,
I just wanted to post and say thank you for this Plan - I'm working on getting my standing up just so I have locator agents in every place in the galaxy.
One question - is it possible to fix my standing with Sansha, etc. without tanking my Empire faction? I doubt it just looking at the standings charts, but I wanted to see if it was possible anyway. |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.09 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Merii Kha'sen Hey,
I just wanted to post and say thank you for this Plan - I'm working on getting my standing up just so I have locator agents in every place in the galaxy.
One question - is it possible to fix my standing with Sansha, etc. without tanking my Empire faction? I doubt it just looking at the standings charts, but I wanted to see if it was possible anyway.
Merii Kha'sen, you're welcome. I hope the 'Plan' helps you to quickly gain access to those Agents.
About repairing Sansha standing without tanking Empire standing, that's a very good question.
Besides training Diplomacy, the only option at this time to repair Sansha Faction standing with very little derived negative standings towards Empire is to start the Amarr level 4 Epic Arc and complete it for Sansha. That will give about +12.00% Faction standing increase which can be completed every 3 months.
Hope that helps.
DMC
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lee boots
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Posted - 2011.07.09 23:25:00 -
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this has been most helpful to me in the past so thought a bump would be in order : ) I pass this thread on to any body i see or hear of needing help : ) Gratz to a great thread and to all those reposting to help this along : ) o7 Fly safe |
Merii Kha'sen
Amarr Unity Exploration
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Posted - 2011.07.11 01:33:00 -
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Hi,
One more question about this. When you say do all the level 1 data center missions, do you mean EVERY SINGLE ONE on the page http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers?
Some of the tags are around 1 mil each for the level 1s, much less the level 2s through 4s. Any ideas on getting the tags without paying a ton?
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.11 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: lee boots this has been most helpful to me in the past so thought a bump would be in order : ) I pass this thread on to any body i see or hear of needing help : ) Gratz to a great thread and to all those reposting to help this along : ) o7 Fly safe
lee boots, thank you very much for posting this.
I appreciate and enjoy hearing that the 'Plan' is being referred to other players when needed. Please continue doing that as often as you like.
I wish you plenty of good luck and much success in your Eve career.
DMC
Originally by: Merii Kha'sen Hi,
One more question about this. When you say do all the level 1 data center missions, do you mean EVERY SINGLE ONE on the page http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers?
Some of the tags are around 1 mil each for the level 1s, much less the level 2s through 4s. Any ideas on getting the tags without paying a ton?
This 'Plan' should be worked in sections for each specific Faction. Basically starting with the highest negative Faction above -5.00 standing. The 'Plan' states to complete all of the level 1 Data Center 'Cert' missions first, then complete the rest of the level 1 Data Center Agents (for that Faction).
Each Faction has about 7 or 8 different level 1 Data Center Agents located in 3 different systems. 3 of those agents offer the 'Cert' mission and the others offer the 'Tag' mission.
The original 'Plan' is only the first 4 posts but there's a lot more information contained within this entire thread due to questions, answers and feedback. The question about acquiring Tags is covered here.
Anyway, good luck to you. Hope this answers your question.
DMC
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Kate Rygel
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Posted - 2011.07.16 18:22:00 -
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The Amarr circle Agent quests do not give any Faction standings since the Incarna patch (one of the million bugs they introduced no doubt)
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.17 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Rygel The Amarr circle Agent quests do not give any Faction standings since the Incarna patch (one of the million bugs they introduced no doubt)
Kate Rygel. I don't doubt it. Seems a lot of the Event Agents that give Faction standing increase are not adding it automatically.
Only one Circle Agent in the group will give a Faction Standing increase. Doesn't matter how many times the circle is completed, the Faction Standing increase is only granted the first time by one Agent. One of the missions should have had 'Important Storyline mission' listed in the journal.
The amount of Faction standing increase is small (between 0.25% to 0.50%) and you might not notice it when looking at your Faction standings. Open Character sheet - Standings - Right click on the Faction and select 'Show Transactions'.
If this is the first time you've completed the Circle Agents and it's not listed, file a petition in game and ask for the Faction standing increase to be credited to the character.
I hope this problem of Event Agents not giving Faction standing increase is fixed asap.
Good luck,
DMC
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.17 03:14:00 -
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Let me say that DMC is THE standings expert, and the Faction Standings Repair Plan is awesome. Thanks for all your efforts DMC. But I might also note that as long as you train diplo up and don't shoot faction ships there is no need to balance faction standings due to the max cutoffs with derived standings. You can be +10 with Amarr/Caldari and still safely go into Gal/Minnie space.
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Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:52:00 -
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I would reccommend this to anyone new to mission running in EVE. This has helped me as a noob training learning skills..I know learning skills are no longer in the game but even a noob ship can start this plan, with the tutorials. This is how I learned how to run missions all over the universe, and not be kos'd by other the other empires. For example I can run level 4 missions for all of the factions in empire..
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.18 04:24:00 -
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Thanks guys, it's always good to see positive constructive replies posted in this thread.
DMC
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Hockston Axe, Thanks, I do admit to being very knowledgeable about standings but I wouldn't say I'm THE Standings Expert.
As for what you posted, yeah a brand new character wouldn't have to worry about it. But after a while the standings will still go down. Depending on which Faction is being built up, it could cause problems to safely enter into other Factions space. At -5.00 or lower Faction standing, Navy NPC's will attack. At -2.00 or lower Faction standing, no access to agents above level 1.
For Example: Thukker Tribe will cause: Ammatar Mandate drop to -7.00 Amarr Empire drop to -5.00 Kahnid Kingdom drop to -3.00 Caldari State drop to -2.00 Gallente Federation drop to -1.00
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Enkill Eridos, Thanks, hearing how this 'Plan' helped you as a brand new player is most excellent.
Good advice about the Cosmic_Anomaly. Yes, I agree that Pirate Faction Tags do drop more so in Cosmic Anomaly's than elsewhere. However, it's still a random drop and will take a long time to gain the required amount of tags needed for Data Center missions.
The above link, Cosmic Anomaly, has been recently updated with correct information.
Now about your Shameless Promotion: It's always good to have access to a Protection Service when needed. You've been added to my Contact list with excellent standing.
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Merii Kha'sen
Amarr Unity Exploration
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Posted - 2011.08.01 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Merii Kha''sen on 01/08/2011 04:03:18 How do I figure out where the break even point for derived standings is? Is it 10-abs(standing) for negative factions? For example, does that mean the max base faction standing (excluding minimal derived standing sources, such as epic arcs), before skills, for all of the 4 main empire factions is +5? Each of them has -5 against their opposite and -2 vs their opposite's ally.
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Bree Badasaz
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Posted - 2011.08.01 04:38:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.01 07:21:00 -
[419]
Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 01/08/2011 07:23:14
Originally by: Merii Kha'sen Edited by: Merii Kha''sen on 01/08/2011 04:03:18 How do I figure out where the break even point for derived standings is? Is it 10-abs(standing) for negative factions? For example, does that mean the max base faction standing (excluding minimal derived standing sources, such as epic arcs), before skills, for all of the 4 main empire factions is +5? Each of them has -5 against their opposite and -2 vs their opposite's ally.
Merii Kha'sen, thanks for posting.
The general consensus is that at +5.00 base standing the 2 opposing Factions will no longer advance in standing. The amount of standing gain for 1 Faction is equal to the amount of standing loss for the other. Bouncing between the 2 would just keep them equal.
I can't verify this and I'm no mathematician. CCP has done a lot of major changes to the game recently. This Standings_mechanics page has the formula's. Hopefully it's still correct and hasn't been changed by CCP.
This Standing_Relationships table is updated to match the current Inter-Faction standings.
Since the Epic Arcs can be repeated every 3 months for Faction standing increase with little to no derived standings incurred towards the other Factions, the base standings can get much higher than +5.00. It'll just take time.
DMC
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Originally by: Bree Badasaz
Bree Badasaz,
Why the mad face?
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K Minor
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Posted - 2011.08.01 07:47:00 -
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Very nice job, this is an excellent guide.
Just wanted to double check something though. You list Epic Arcs as being available with a faction standing of 5.0 or more. Are you sure this is true? It was always 6.8 and I not sure the new mechanics of agent access affected the Epic Arc agents. I recently got my corp standings with Ministry of Internal Order up to 5.1 or so and couldn't run the Epic Arc. I ran a few more lvl 4's and was able to access the starting agent for the Amarr Epic Arc once I hit 6.8 with Ministry of Internal Order. I don't remember my Amarr faction standings, but I think it was around 4.0 when I started the Arc.
I'm currently working on accessing the Gallente Epic Arc through standings with Impetus, so I can post an update if needed.
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