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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.04 18:06:00 -
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Hey all, I have 3 alts I intend to set as miners and I am wondering if it is possible to be self sustainable (plex wise) with 3 alts mining in high sec, I'd need to pull in 780Mil or so a month. They would be retrievers and eventually 2 hulks 1 orca.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.02.04 18:24:00 -
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What's your average game time?
60 hours/month = of course ... 30 hours/month = maybe ... 10 hours/month = probably not
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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.04 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Aregz on 04/02/2010 18:39:42
Originally by: Lutz Major What's your average game time?
60 hours/month = of course ... 30 hours/month = maybe ... 10 hours/month = probably not
Well, I average 30 hours a week. That would be with regular internet activity and 3 Eve windows on a second monitor. So I should be able to easily get by then
Thanks!
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.04 18:59:00 -
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If you haven't trained them yet and are simply in it for the afk easy isk...
Train them to all be capable of flying lvl 4 suited drone boats (ishtar/gila/domi).
Afk mission running > afk mining. _____________________________________________
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WorthlessAlt Slot2
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Posted - 2010.02.04 19:56:00 -
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Back in the day, with all lvl 5 Hulk pilot and all lvl 4 Orca in fleet, I was able to net around a billion a month with 10-20 hrs per week of online time.
I did it by also having all lvl 5 manuf skills and built BS's at a rate of about one every 2-3 days' worth of mining....using proceeds from one sale to fund purchasing a month's worth of mega/zyd in bulk.
Also didn't bother mining much pyrox since it gives so little noc. And, again, you can buy a butt-ton of noc for 120+ million you get from just one BS.
Good luck vOv
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Carl Lutz
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Posted - 2010.02.04 21:08:00 -
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I had the exact same set up(2 hulks and an orca), and was using plex to pay for 3 accounts for a few months. And it works, but it can get depressing if you want to save up isk for whatever else you want to do. I would get almost enough isk to buy a pos or some expensive bpo.. then it would be plex time for one of the accounts. I still use them now and then if real life cash flow is a little tight around the due date, but only if I have to.
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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.04 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Aregz on 04/02/2010 22:47:12
Originally by: XXSketchxx If you haven't trained them yet and are simply in it for the afk easy isk...
Train them to all be capable of flying lvl 4 suited drone boats (ishtar/gila/domi).
Afk mission running > afk mining.
Yeah, I will train them up, Only reason I am doing this method is because I started to train for mining and now I can't afford to buy membership anymore. I don't know how to do afk mining/mission running
Originally by: Carl Lutz I had the exact same set up(2 hulks and an orca), and was using plex to pay for 3 accounts for a few months. And it works, but it can get depressing if you want to save up isk for whatever else you want to do. I would get almost enough isk to buy a pos or some expensive bpo.. then it would be plex time for one of the accounts. I still use them now and then if real life cash flow is a little tight around the due date, but only if I have to.
Yeah I can imagine it will get depressing. But I will do it until I get some money to do BPO's or until I've trained up for a faster method, missions or something, I don't know.. I'm still new. I have 750m currently which is enough for a month on all 3 of my chars.
Originally by: WorthlessAlt Slot2 Back in the day, with all lvl 5 Hulk pilot and all lvl 4 Orca in fleet, I was able to net around a billion a month with 10-20 hrs per week of online time.
Tis a shame it's not back in the day now.
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thischarsucks
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Posted - 2010.02.05 08:32:00 -
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I may be wrong, but even with the amount of time you're putting in weekly you could be able to do it with just 3 Retrievers (correct me if I'm wrong someone) and whilst doing that train up for L4's
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AmarrettoDiAmarr
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Posted - 2010.02.05 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: AmarrettoDiAmarr on 05/02/2010 10:40:03 If you could get 78 ISK/m3 - e.g sell veld @ 7.8 - then you would need 10 million m3/month. So 250 hours/month of actual (not including travel to belt, moving around inside belt, wasted cycles, hauling, etc. ) mining in one 40k/hr retriever would do it; 83 hours of 3 retrievers.
3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people. |
Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.05 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aregz
Well, I average 30 hours a week. That would be with regular internet activity and 3 Eve windows on a second monitor. So I should be able to easily get by then
Where do people get all this free time from?
30 hours spare a week?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.02.05 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/02/2010 13:03:46
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros 30 hours spare a week?
1. Get 2$/hour part-time job. 2. Earn 108$ in 2 months x 27 hours/month (less than 4 hours/week). 3. BUY 3x GTC. 4. Pay 3 accounts for 2 months each with those GTCs. 5. ??? 6. Laugh at people "working for free" 30 hours/week (6 times more than you did on a lousy-paying job) just to keep accounts running.
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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.05 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr Edited by: AmarrettoDiAmarr on 05/02/2010 10:40:03 If you could get 78 ISK/m3 - e.g sell veld @ 7.8 - then you would need 10 million m3/month. So 250 hours/month of actual (not including travel to belt, moving around inside belt, wasted cycles, hauling, etc. ) mining in one 40k/hr retriever would do it; 83 hours of 3 retrievers.
3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people.
Alright so it is good to know it is doable with Retrievers 21 or so hours a week and rest being profit. I can imagine this will get old fast. But meh. It will do until something better comes along.
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Aregz
Well, I average 30 hours a week. That would be with regular internet activity and 3 Eve windows on a second monitor. So I should be able to easily get by then
Where do people get all this free time from?
30 hours spare a week?
I'm actually unable to work for another 3 months. And being where I am (Canada) the weather isn't exactly the most nicest to go out, so I figure spare time and Eve, why not?
Thanks all
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aregz
I'm actually unable to work for another 3 months. And being where I am (Canada) the weather isn't exactly the most nicest to go out, so I figure spare time and Eve, why not?
Ahh seasonal work.
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M4U53R
Gallente The Aussie Connection Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Aregz
Well, I average 30 hours a week. That would be with regular internet activity and 3 Eve windows on a second monitor. So I should be able to easily get by then
Where do people get all this free time from?
30 hours spare a week?
SAHM (stay at home mom ^_^)
Still, not that my time is spare, tbh. I play online a lot, but at the same time I'm multitasking - doing laundry, mining, vacuuming, taking ore back, doing dishes... mining... you get the idea :P |
Scout Ops
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:51:00 -
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you basically pretend to be a EVE slave
also, consider mining will drive you to extreme boredom eventually. Its nice to do some mining everyday, but not for 4 hours and there always some days that you go out to village or vacation or just internet is not working...
I suggest train for missioning and try trading or maybe manufacturing to diversify your income, this way you earn more and at same time have fun while playing.
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ISellThingz
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Posted - 2010.02.05 21:04:00 -
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I'm able to mine up to 6-7 hours a day, while I get bored of mission running after 2-3 missions. To each their own.
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Grapez
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2010.02.05 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 05/02/2010 13:03:46
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros 30 hours spare a week?
1. Get 2$/hour part-time job. 2. Earn 108$ in 2 months x 27 hours/month (less than 4 hours/week). 3. BUY 3x GTC. 4. Pay 3 accounts for 2 months each with those GTCs. 5. ??? 6. Laugh at people "working for free" 30 hours/week (6 times more than you did on a lousy-paying job) just to keep accounts running.
**** like this is dumb as Hell.
Why not just get another job and drop Eve all together? You'd be making more money and bettering the Eve community at the same time.
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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.06 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Aregz
I'm actually unable to work for another 3 months. And being where I am (Canada) the weather isn't exactly the most nicest to go out, so I figure spare time and Eve, why not?
Ahh seasonal work.
Yeap pretty much heh.
Originally by: Scout Ops you basically pretend to be a EVE slave
also, consider mining will drive you to extreme boredom eventually. Its nice to do some mining everyday, but not for 4 hours and there always some days that you go out to village or vacation or just internet is not working...
I suggest train for missioning and try trading or maybe manufacturing to diversify your income, this way you earn more and at same time have fun while playing.
Yeah I know it is going to get like that, but I will be training for something else and just doing mining temporarily. The main plan was 2 Hulks and an Orca, but I imagine I'll get tired of it sooner than later.
going back to this post
Originally by: Carl Lutz I had the exact same set up(2 hulks and an orca), and was using plex to pay for 3 accounts for a few months. And it works, but it can get depressing if you want to save up isk for whatever else you want to do. I would get almost enough isk to buy a pos or some expensive bpo.. then it would be plex time for one of the accounts. I still use them now and then if real life cash flow is a little tight around the due date, but only if I have to.
I can afford a POS (750m from plex's) how could I make money from it?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.06 07:15:00 -
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The time to buy a POS is when you need to in order to make more money out of some activity that you're already engaged in. Industry character -> datacore farmer -> inventor, for example.
Check out the Making ISK guide in the Wiki for some ideas of where to get started.
FWIW: with three members in a mining fleet, your best option is to farm level 1 mission agents for "Break Their Will", and mine that out on a daily basis with Orca + 2 Hulks. This can be done semi-afk (eg: while forum-whoring and maintaining Wiki pages). Mining can also be done while your POS is busy doing research and invention. For more AFK-ness, you can try harvesting ice and hoping that noone ganks you ;)
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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.06 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn The time to buy a POS is when you need to in order to make more money out of some activity that you're already engaged in. Industry character -> datacore farmer -> inventor, for example.
Check out the Making ISK guide in the Wiki for some ideas of where to get started.
FWIW: with three members in a mining fleet, your best option is to farm level 1 mission agents for "Break Their Will", and mine that out on a daily basis with Orca + 2 Hulks. This can be done semi-afk (eg: while forum-whoring and maintaining Wiki pages). Mining can also be done while your POS is busy doing research and invention. For more AFK-ness, you can try harvesting ice and hoping that noone ganks you ;)
Ah alright thanks a lot, I'll read into it, I still need a lot more skills til I can get into that though. Thanks everyone.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.08 05:57:00 -
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I'll just point out that the people I know who have their own POSes are using them for (a) research labs -> invention and ME/PE research and (b) reactors. They buy the base product, ship it in, react it away, then haul the reacted product back to market. You do need to be clueful though, and pick those reactions for which you can actually make a profit. Don't pick the biggest profit, because everyone else will be jumping on that too, and by the time your product gets to market, the market will be flooded.
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Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.08 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn I'll just point out that the people I know who have their own POSes are using them for (a) research labs -> invention and ME/PE research and (b) reactors. They buy the base product, ship it in, react it away, then haul the reacted product back to market. You do need to be clueful though, and pick those reactions for which you can actually make a profit. Don't pick the biggest profit, because everyone else will be jumping on that too, and by the time your product gets to market, the market will be flooded.
Alright thanks, I'll get into the PoS side of things when I've got the skills. No point setting it up now and not being able to use it.
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TigerXtrm
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Posted - 2010.02.09 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Carl Lutz I had the exact same set up(2 hulks and an orca), and was using plex to pay for 3 accounts for a few months. And it works, but it can get depressing if you want to save up isk for whatever else you want to do. I would get almost enough isk to buy a pos or some expensive bpo.. then it would be plex time for one of the accounts. I still use them now and then if real life cash flow is a little tight around the due date, but only if I have to.
If you're playing the game to be able to keep playing the game, you're doing it wrong. Either pay for it or don't play it, there's no point in playing it the way you are
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khan sheidoh
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.09 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: TigerXtrm
If you're playing the game to be able to keep playing the game, you're doing it wrong. Either pay for it or don't play it, there's no point in playing it the way you are
As a smalltime industrialist i make over 1.5 billion isk a month (profit that is ). That's not showing off it is actually on the low side for a dedicated builder. Usualy i spend 2 to 4 hour online every day, sometimes a bit more to have some ships blown up or explore a few wh's. I run a single account and my second character is training for industry. Once this is finished she will be put into action in high-sec manufacturing exclusively, that way almost doubling my monthly flow.
So Tiger, can you give me one good reason why i should not pay with plexes for my game time ???? In my view you should turn your statement around... if you have to pay for EVE you're not doing it right.
If i might add one thing...stay out of big alliances if you want to make a decent load of isk, most of their members are only getting a tiny piece of the profits they turn. Then again, i'm only a builder... right?????
fake edit : after all this time i still can only fly a retriever when it comes to mining barges === there's no point in living if ya can't feel alive === khani |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.09 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: TigerXtrm If you're playing the game to be able to keep playing the game, you're doing it wrong. Either pay for it or don't play it, there's no point in playing it the way you are
Does everyone have to play exactly the same way you do? Are you going to tell people that if they don't start PvP by flying a tackle frigate in a nullsec fleet, they're doing it wrong? Are you going to tell people that suicide ganking freighters in hisec is "doing it wrong"? Perhaps being a casual player and running missions for an hour a day is "doing it wrong"?
EVE is many different games to many different people. For some, being able to get game time for free is their first goal to achieve. Achieving that goal means they've established a stable income stream from which they can fund their PvP activities.
If you're paying real money for your game time, you're doing it wrong! PLEX are so damned cheap at the moment, now's the time to take advantage of them.
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hiwaydog
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Posted - 2010.02.10 00:51:00 -
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if you are trying to pay for your eve time with plex'a and dont wanna become a slave to the game, you need to get into high-volume trading, and/or t2/t3 manufacturing.
when i was unemployed (which went on for a long time), i managed to pay for 5 accounts with plex's. tbh most of that isk was made from production of t2 ships , and t3 subsystems.
i do have 3 exhumer v pilots and an orca (5/5 skills and warfare link spec v), but it really becomes too much of a drag to continuously mine all the time. I use my exhumer fleet to supplement my profits, but it isn't where the good, steady isk comes from.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.02.10 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Orin on 10/02/2010 05:52:56 I don't get people that mine 10-20 hours per week over 3 accounts simply to "play Eve for free".
Don't get me wrong, I think the GTC->PLEX->ISK conversions system is innovative and an excellent feature.
But unless I can make 900million isk in less time than I can make $45 IRL, playing to pay is silly.
Seriously, 40-80 hours of in game mining for what I can accomplish before my coffee break.
Baffles me. *Disclaimer* The above may not reflect the opinions of United Systems Navy or Zenith Affinity. |
Aregz
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Posted - 2010.02.10 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin Edited by: Magnus Orin on 10/02/2010 05:52:56 I don't get people that mine 10-20 hours per week over 3 accounts simply to "play Eve for free".
Don't get me wrong, I think the GTC->PLEX->ISK conversions system is innovative and an excellent feature.
But unless I can make 900million isk in less time than I can make $45 IRL, playing to pay is silly.
Seriously, 40-80 hours of in game mining for what I can accomplish before my coffee break.
Baffles me.
Like I said, I have no income, which means no subscription so, I need to find a way to become self sustainable for now, and mining is that way.
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Joe Astor
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.10 09:17:00 -
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It's doable,
I have 2 Hulks and an Orca, and I mine fairly regularly.
You should be able to easily make 800mil a month if you mine a few hours a day, and haul the ore to somewhere with a high buying price, or list it yourself.
Or you could get a blueprint of some item that sells well, and build with it...then sell the item (be it battleship, battlecruisers, cruisers etc) and make a bit more than you would selling the raw minerals.
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Gwendion
Gallente Bladed Moon
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Posted - 2010.02.10 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Gwendion on 10/02/2010 16:33:36
Originally by: Magnus Orin Edited by: Magnus Orin on 10/02/2010 05:52:56 I don't get people that mine 10-20 hours per week over 3 accounts simply to "play Eve for free". Don't get me wrong, I think the GTC->PLEX->ISK conversions system is innovative and an excellent feature. But unless I can make 900million isk in less time than I can make $45 IRL, playing to pay is silly. Seriously, 40-80 hours of in game mining for what I can accomplish before my coffee break. Baffles me.
I use to agree. Then I lost my Job. Now a good 33% of my income from my accounts is dedicated to Plexes just to keep me playing. Besides, having no job, allows for much more time for Eve. Course now that I have a job again....
And to answer the OP; Based on my Mining Spreadsheet which is nearly 98% accurate, it takes aprox 20 hours to earn enough mining Scord to get a single plex. So aprox 3 days when you factor in sleep. Thats constant mining, seperate haulers and 3 miners (seperate hauler/Orca, Links not included)
Its a pain, but doable. Your better off becoming an Industrial pet to some 0.0 alliance in uncontested space. ABC ore cuts that down to 2-4 hours/plex. -----------------------------------
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