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P3rv3rt
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:23:00 -
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This is the oddest thing, since the release of last set of patches the price of the Nightmare fell 25-30%. Not because it got nerfed but because all other pirate ships just got soo much better. If you pull up contracts on nightmare, the supply is enourmous, nobody is buying them anymore, price is currently howering at 700mil. I even saw one contract that I unfortunatly missed for 750 with t2 rigs. It used to be one of the most coveted ships and now people would rather get a navy geddon. The only problem I see with this ship is that its short on power grid. Unlike bhalgorn with 23k of PG, Nightmare can't be as forgiving. Being a shield-tanker for pvp also feels like a major handicap. If you got some good pvp setups for the ship post them up
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:48:00 -
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nightmare is fine.
I cant see any way to boost it wihtout making it fully overpowerd.
It was just THAT good before the patch that now the others are "better" it doesnt seem so awsome. At 700 mil a piece i think i might use mine more often for pvp...
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:11:00 -
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1) Navy Ships are "new and shiny", and don't require 2x BSs skills to shine. Might shine a bit less, still...
2) Nightmare is no worse than before
3) Other faction BSs where boosted (some of them to hell), and wealthy ppl that would fly a NM, no fly these...why get stuck in one, when you can have 2 or more? Also for PVP, certain niche roles cannot be filled flying a NM.
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TimMc
Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:16:00 -
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Machariel is cheap too. 760mil atm.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Machariel is cheap too. 760mil atm.
Seen them for 400m on a regular basis in the past.
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2010 17:37:41 Yeah, i need some luv.
Originally by: Dr Fighter nightmare is fine
Thanks.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, i need some luv.
you're on the wrooong forums
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:57:00 -
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Anymore luv for Nightmare and it'll edge into "OMG one-fit-all" category that's currently taken up by Golem, but with no range limitation...which will be OP, and then it'll be hit with the nerfbat...so shush.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:29:00 -
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Nightmare is and always will be the best straight damage dealer of all the BS .. that is without having to putter all over the place to get into lol-blaster range.
The fact that people have other viable choices in all the other hulls says very little if anything about the Nightmare itself.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:00:00 -
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Posting in a "buff the Nightmare" thread.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:10:00 -
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I think we're better off boosting Tachs. I'm thinking 15-20% more damage and Blaze Crystals seeding in LP stores...
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I think we're better off boosting Tachs. I'm thinking 15-20% more damage and Blaze Crystals seeding in LP stores...
-Liang
You do realize if this happened I would never, ever, ever get out of my paladin. Right? ________
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon You do realize if this happened I would never, ever, ever get out of my paladin. Right?
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Alenora Tizar
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Posted - 2010.02.05 20:59:00 -
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nightmare is fine, just needs more faction mods to shine in my experience
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2010.02.05 21:19:00 -
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the nightmare is perfectly fine; it was balanced before and is balanced now, even if it has relatively declined against all the other pirate faction BS.
The sansha ship that needs a buff is the phantasm: it's worse than the zealot and not nearly better enough than the harb to justify it's price (and thats despite being the cheapest of the faction cruisers); the nerf it took in the changes (why CCP decided to nerf it while buffing every other pirate ship I don't know) has absolutely wrecked it, and even with that reversed it would remain far and away the most disappointing of the pirate cruisers (although it would at least be worth using over a harbinger and competitive with the zealot for pulse fits again).
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.02.05 22:14:00 -
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this thread is almost as surreal as the nerf pods thread :|
OT, comments regarding this (lowsec) N'mare fit;
[Nightmare, PVP] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Large Core Defence Charge Economizer I Large Core Defence Charge Economizer I Large Core Defence Charge Economizer I
Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5
Throw in crystal set and std. blue pill.
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.02.05 22:29:00 -
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The nightmare is fine as it is, the reason it's so cheap is because of how easy the damn thing is to get compared to the other pirate BSs. If you've ever lived in stain you know it's had to go more than 3 jumps without tripping over a ql 20 lvl 4 combat agent of some sort for true power, and they're scattered all throughout the region, meaning no one entity owns them all.
The other pirate factions don't have it so easy, since they have fewer agents in a much more concentrated area. The fact that the ships used to cost more or less the same was a testament to how much better the NM was than the other pirate BSs, given that there's a much larger supply for it than the others, all we're seeing now is a more or less even demand for pirate ships, and the increased supply for the NM makes it cheaper than the others.
It is also worth noting that the NM's main use is the same that it's been since they turned it into a shield tanked paladin: a carebearmobile. It has uses in pvp, sure, but unlike most of the other pirate BSs it has the ability to do amazing (though horrible) things to NPCs in missions, and is one of the few pirate BSs that can outperform marauders in PVE. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.05 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I think we're better off boosting Tachs. I'm thinking 15-20% more damage and Blaze Crystals seeding in LP stores...
-Liang
**** in my pants!
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.02.06 01:53:00 -
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I'm not sure what to make of this thread.
Before the other ships were boosted I don't think I saw a serious or sensible post about how someone thought the Nightmare needed a buff of any type and now that the price has dropped a little low and behold someone has suggested it!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.06 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson I'm not sure what to make of this thread.
Before the other ships were boosted I don't think I saw a serious or sensible post about how someone thought the Nightmare needed a buff of any type and now that the price has dropped a little low and behold someone has suggested it!
hmm rattle/macha/nightmare all seem to be between 700 and 800 million. vindi/bhaal are the up high ones
boost rattle (been saying that since they announced it but meh) macha (nano it up more, I miss 15km/s machys!) and nightmare (125%pirate bonus and another bonus on cal bs)!
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