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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.02.07 03:06:00 -
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Title says it all. The ship is imbalanced. Fun as it is to fly right now, its imbalanced.
So, what will CCP do to it?
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Throckbane
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Posted - 2010.02.07 03:14:00 -
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I'm guessing: take out a midslot, reduce speed, and reduce drone bandwidth to 10.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 03:33:00 -
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Personally I hope they'll just reduce its speed / agility, taking away a midslot would ruin the flavor of the ship imo.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 03:53:00 -
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I'm not totally sure - whatever it is I'm betting that it becomes useless to fly. Maybe remove 3 mid slots?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.07 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm betting that it becomes useless to fly.
this has my vote _____________________________________________
-Sketch, Certified Pharmacist
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Veronica Waters
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Posted - 2010.02.07 04:16:00 -
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Confirming that complaint threads longer than 10 pages earn the complainers an overzealous nerf.
See: nos - nano - falcon archived complaint threads.
Nos is crap.
Nano is crap, drake is king.
Falcon is crap logistic rr is king.
Dram will become crap - and...
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.02.07 04:17:00 -
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Look at how the Cynabal compares to the vaga: similar speed/DPS/falloff, an extra flight of drones, a bit more EHP (or a bit less but with more ewar), considerably better agility/scan res. Apply the same principles to the Dramiel relative to the Jaguar/Stiletto. Basically, knock its base speed down to around 400 m/s (Jaguar: 357 m/s, Stiletto: 435 m/s, current Dram: 590 m/s) and call it a day.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.02.07 04:50:00 -
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How will CCP nerf the Dramiel?
Who cares.
Better question is..When?
I am betting it comes before they fix roflkets.
Patri
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Kirzath
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.02.07 05:38:00 -
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They won't.
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crastar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 05:44:00 -
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They wont, they love the whining of the weak whose only recourse to not being able to 1v1 a dramiel is to call for a nerf.
Why the hell should any t1 or t2 frig be able to out gun and out fly a 70 mil faction frig?
You want that km? Work for it.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2010.02.07 05:44:00 -
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Logical thing seems to be remove a midslot: forces people to choose between an AB or MWD fit; or alternatively to lose that MSE buffer.
Ofc, that might end up being too much, but its the simplest change and would certainly do the trick, and forces real choices as opposed to a cookie cutter point, dual prop, MSE fit.
Lowering the speed outright isn't a great solution because it removes a lot of the ideal flavor of the ship.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.02.07 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dacryphile Title says it all. The ship is imbalanced. Fun as it is to fly right now, its imbalanced.
So, what will CCP do to it?
Assumptions make me sick.
CCP isn't going to touch the ship.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2010.02.07 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm not totally sure - whatever it is I'm betting that it becomes useless to fly. Maybe remove 3 mid slots?
-Liang
but then who will fly the retribution? ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor but then who will fly the retribution?
Anyone who would fly it now?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Kapse Locke
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 07:25:00 -
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How will they nerf the dramiel?
Probably with a word filter, so people won't have to keep reading the latest alarmist crap like "How will they nerf the *******?"
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Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.02.07 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: crastar
Why the hell should any t1 or t2 frig be able to out gun and out fly a 70 mil faction frig? You want that km? Work for it.
its the concept of a superior class of ship giving the class below it a small but significant chance to beat it.
t2 beats t1 ships 70-80% of the time? fine. t1 pilots may not mind since 20% of the time they may get lucky. t2 pilot is happy because he wins 80% of the time. both are satisfied with the t2-to-t1 win-loss ration and price difference balance and t1 is not crowded out.
other pirate frigs also beats t2 70-80% of the time? t2 pilots may not mind since 20% of the time they may get lucky. fine. The problem is dramiel is beating t2 90% of the time or so. And T1 99% of the time. out of line. making it almost mechanical that the more expensive ship wins. like some korean MMO or something where you grind to get gold to buy a +10 sword and unless you are totally AFK will always beat everyone with a +9 sword.
big difference between pirate frigs beating t2 ships 80% of the time and between some uber pirate frig that beats t2 90% of the time, causing the t2-pirate win-loss ratio to price difference to break down.
and by "work for it" you mean "pay for a Dramiel". pay for victory model.
once again the more expensive ship should win most of the time, but not so much pvp becomes mechanically determined by price. Dramiel problem is not that it wins most of the time, but it wins too much of the time.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
t2 beats t1 ships 70-80% of the time? fine. t1 pilots may not mind since 20% of the time they may get lucky. t2 pilot is happy because he wins 80% of the time. both are satisfied with the t2-to-t1 win-loss ration and price difference balance and t1 is not crowded out.
T2 easily beats T1 95-99.99% of the time ... especially on the frigate level.
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other pirate frigs also beats t2 70-80% of the time? t2 pilots may not mind since 20% of the time they may get lucky. fine.
IMO only the Daredevil and the Dramiel fulfill the Dev blog's mandate of being better than T2 - and that's something of a crime considering that AFs as a group are complete garbage.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.02.07 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 07/02/2010 09:34:32 well personally i would not like pirate frigs to become the standard frig people have to buy just to stay competitive. nowadays people already have to buy t2 frigs just to stay competitive, which is already expensive enough. for 70mil+ frigs to become the standard is kind of excessive IMO. especially since frig combat is supposedly the newbie's first PVP haven. PVP will become less and less affordable if even at frigate level, things are getting so expensive.
i think dramiel should have a slight nerf to speed. that's all. leave it fast. just not so fast you need a scrambler and TWO WEBS just to catch it!!
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Baneken
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:01:00 -
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Only thing wrong in dramiel is it's speed. Nerf the speed so it flies like a brick without MWD and everyone's happy, except the dramiel pilots who can't run from a 'point' any more. Frankly anything flying faster then warrior II's on it's tail are on their way to a chopping block if ask me.
Granted warrior II's can fly 10k with MWD (4700 base speed) with skills and 2x modules but thats not the point unless they fix the webber drones to something useful or give us warp scramble drones.
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Pandares
Gallente hindsight is 20-20
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kapse Locke Probably with a word filter,
made me giggle _______________________________________________
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:22:00 -
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The problem is good DPS in combination with the ability to disengage easily with dual-prop and very high speed. So two options: a) remove the speed, or b) remove the DPS.
Removing the speed is a bit boring frankly, and there's no shortage of fastish frigates with good DPS. So let's remove the DPS instead. Remove the drone bay and the 100% projectile bonus. So it retains its ability to disengage at will, but doesn't have twice the DPS of the Worm as well.
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Kingwood
Amarr Black Fax Attack
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 07/02/2010 11:29:20 I think CCP should add a module which ****s the Dramiel's capacitor so it cannot run its Prop mods anymore. Make it fit into a highslot, add a small version so frigs can fit 'em too. Someone go make a post in the Suggestions forum plz.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:52:00 -
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Remove midslot >>>>>> nerf speed >>> remove drones. First choice would make it dualprop, 400rt frig with speed and agility comparable to todays inties /6k buffer/, all todays nano***s would probably stop flying it. Speed nerf /+mass/ would make it inline with inties in speed, dram would lose some range control vs faster frigs, it will stay very good tackler. Removing drones /or generally dps/ would just mean that its victim will have more time to call the blob, dram would still have ability to disengage at will.
Id go for the first or second possibility.
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:20:00 -
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Why is it every time something in the game gets moderatly difficult the wuss brigade stampedes to the forums to whine for a nerf? You people make me sick, and also make me want to train up to fly one of these ships so I can feast on your emoragequit tears.
You wanna know how to kill a Dramiel? Don't fly a ship with no active tank solo. I know buffer tanks are like the "in thing" right now, but if you lost to a Dramiel you would probably lose to a Taranis too.
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crastar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:21:00 -
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All your underlining and bolding will not change the fact that you will lose to a better ship in a 1v1.
Quote: t2 beats t1 ships 70-80% of the time? fine.
Bull****, it beats it 99.999999999% of the time.
Get 100 rifters out and i'll kill you in my af 100 times.
Quote: t1 pilots may not mind since 20% of the time they may get lucky.
Pulling statistics out of your arse to put forward a fail argument wont win you the argument.
Quote: The problem is Dramiel is beating t2 90% of the time or so. And T1 99% of the time. out of line.
I would expect Dramiel to win a far greater number of fights than 9 out of 10. It should win 100%, just like an af will cream a t1 frig every time.
The fact that it does not suggests that it needs a buff so that ******ed imbeciles can also fly it and win.
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Kingwood
Amarr Black Fax Attack
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:25:00 -
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Hey, let's just randomly quote statistics and percentages pulled out of our asses. I love Eve-O forums.
Dramiel is fine, get on with it.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: crastar bull****
Just like ranis will ALWAYS kill ab+web rifter... You have no clue. Thank god there alot of ppl who dont want frigate combat to turn into dramiel online.
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Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:31:00 -
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upon consideration, yes, t2 obsoletes t1 because it wins so often vs t1. t1 regularly leaves the field when t2 comes. now t2 leaves the field when Dramiel comes. therefore all that is left is Dramiel. how boring. Dramiel Dramiel Dramiel. is that all that remains of frigate combat?
1 single ship? boring. therefore it should be nerfed to be only 1 good among others not the 1 that rules all. so other frigates can compete. diversity not 1 ship beats 49 and replaces all.
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crastar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok upon consideration, yes, t2 obsoletes t1 because it wins so often vs t1. t1 regularly leaves the field when t2 comes. now t2 leaves the field when Dramiel comes. therefore all that is left is Dramiel. how boring. Dramiel Dramiel Dramiel. is that all that remains of frigate combat?
1 single ship? boring. therefore it should be nerfed to be only 1 good among others not the 1 that rules all. so other frigates can compete. diversity not 1 ship beats 49 and replaces all.
The sky is falling the sky is falling.
Fly cheaper ships in greater numbers. This is how all threats in eve are countered.
This is a MMO, not a single player game.
Make some friends. This single point has been hammered again and again on the forums.
Taking out one of this mythical fleet of Dramiels you mention which I must say I have yet to see, would be enough in isk value to finance a fleet of 100 t1 frigates.
Now, is there anything else?
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Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:53:00 -
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wow so because you have the money to buy 100 rifters, 100 players magically appear to fly them? wrong. the number of players is usually fixed or at least not very variable.
as i said dramiel chases off all other frigs off the field. seen it happen many many times. t1, t2 get shredded or run really fast. only dramiel left.
dramiel online. no diversity of frigs. pay for victory. expensive cost of frig pvp. this what you think is what frig warfare should look like?
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