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Darius Talon
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Talon on 07/02/2010 11:36:12 Edited by: Darius Talon on 07/02/2010 11:34:58 The Drake is seriously overpowered when it comes to ratting, missions and Sleeper sites!! I have seen Drakes shield tank 4 Sleeper BS's when a similar fit Raven could not. This is an imbalance within the game. The Drake needs a BIG nerf!!
btw, Obvious troll is OBVIOUS!!!
And yeah, I do think the Drake is a freaking awesome ship, thats why I am training for it.
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Trokiel
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:40:00 -
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dude, one or the other!! STFU or HTFU!!! No matter where you go, there you are. PUPPIES, mother natures health food.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:45:00 -
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You've obviously never heard of the passive myrm or hurricane.
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Darius Talon
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Talon on 07/02/2010 11:46:33 True though. I have seen a Drake put the hurt on Sleepers that a BS cant. I am not calling for a nerf by any means, otherwise I would not be training for the Drake myself. It appears to be the best and cheapest ship for missions, etc.
No Yabba, I havent. I should look into those ship setups.
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Aka5ha
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:51:00 -
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show me a Rokh fit that can do the same thing as a drake... I personally despise missles, as caldari its bad enough the ships weapons are split 50/50. I train for blasters, and all I get is a crappy optimal, which missle boats get and they get DPS bonuses.
Amarr has a dps BS, gal and min both have one. wtf dont caldari have one. oh yea its missles /facepalm
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:53:00 -
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It's not just good for PVE. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.' |
The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Talon ...The Drake needs a BIG nerf!! ...
the Vaga pilots of EVE are standing united behind you for this very well argued proposition
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:20:00 -
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I use a passive tanked Cyclone and does as well as a drake on average for missions from what i could see on EFT.,
it can use 4 medium drones or 8 light depending on situation, better passive recharge then drake, and reaches 450m/s with tech2 afterburner, 3x heavy missiles + 5x 220's does nice dps, and 3 rigs for (recommend 2 for shield resists EM/therm & 1 for extra shields). it can do 110hp/s passive or if you drop one large extender for a tracking link you do more dps hitting small stuff. with 80hp/s and 14k shield still.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:08:00 -
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Some of us lament the day the ferrox lost this accolade to the T 1.5 ship. There again we were fleeing myrmidons with 5 ogres beating the crap out of everything in sight back. CcP is very very good at these distractions
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Mr McFail
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mr McFail on 07/02/2010 13:41:56
It is kind of overpowered to be honest, so are alot of the ships, I don't think it's right that a t1 cruiser/bc is able to out tank a t1 battleship or especially faction battleship, a battleship is supposed be alot stronger and able to last alot longer, eve's the only game i've seen where battleships are pretty rubbish compared to the lower class ships, the only things they have going for them now is their dps, they fail at everything else.
Oh and even their dps is pretty crappy unless you completely take away their ability to tank something larger than a strong wind...
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Nexo92
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 07/02/2010 13:41:56
the only things they have going for them now is their dps, they fail at everything else.
Dude, DPS IS a tank
But yeh drake is fine as is, passive myrm and hurri as someone said are just as good if not better.
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Mirsal
Amarr Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 07/02/2010 13:41:56
It is kind of overpowered to be honest, so are alot of the ships, I don't think it's right that a t1 cruiser/bc is able to out tank a t1 battleship or especially faction battleship, a battleship is supposed be alot stronger and able to last alot longer, eve's the only game i've seen where battleships are pretty rubbish compared to the lower class ships, the only things they have going for them now is their dps, they fail at everything else.
Oh and even their dps is pretty crappy unless you completely take away their ability to tank something larger than a strong wind...
There is nothing wrong with battlecruisers having similar tanking to battleships. In real life, battlecruisers were basically heavy cruiser armor with light battleship guns. in Eve it's the same except the other way other around. They have tanking almost on par with battleships (overall) and dps just a little above cruisers. It makes sense. ------- "Be not, oh Greeks, so very hostilely disposed towards the Barbarians, nor look with ill will on their opinions. For which of your institutions has not been derived from the Barbarians?" |
SuperNova221
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 07/02/2010 13:41:56
It is kind of overpowered to be honest, so are alot of the ships, I don't think it's right that a t1 cruiser/bc is able to out tank a t1 battleship or especially faction battleship, a battleship is supposed be alot stronger and able to last alot longer, eve's the only game i've seen where battleships are pretty rubbish compared to the lower class ships, the only things they have going for them now is their dps, they fail at everything else.
Oh and even their dps is pretty crappy unless you completely take away their ability to tank something larger than a strong wind...
Was that last sentence referring to Drakes or BS's?
Last time I checked pretty much every Bs can out tank a Drake, while putting out more DPs at the same time.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:50:00 -
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nah... just nerf heavy missiles to the level of other long range weapon systems beams/arties/rails. not necessarily damage; guided missile precision reduces explosion velocity too far on HMs. their basevalue could be a bit higher
feel free to boost HAMs a bit in return, plain damage this time. - putting the gist back into logistics |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:50:00 -
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It is a bit of a problem yes, but the main concern is not the Drake itself but the passive Shield and how it stacks. When even Ships like the Myrmidon, with a Bonus to active Armor Repairers are seen flying with a passive Shield tank, it is clear that some things are not right.
I think the main problem lies with the Shield Extenders. With extended shields the recharge time of the shields stays the same, so shield extenders do not only give a HP bonus, but also a bonus to HP/s regeneration, thats stacks on top all regeneration Bonuses provided by other modules.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:58:00 -
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Remember Drake is a Teir 2, Battlecruiser.
Drake cost: 29-32mil Cyclones: 15-16mil
Myrmidon is the only thing that can out tank a battleship I believe with dual reps, and combat booster + overheat it can do 1200 hp per cycle. but mostly only viable for pvp cause it needs cap boosters. it can give out good dps with 3x heavy drones + medium blasters but nowhere near BS level. & okay speed with t2 afterburner. I still think Cyclone is best for lvl3 missions & class 3 Wormholes.
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Malkhar Turasan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 14:47:00 -
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The drake is an awesome Tank, and like all Tanks you still have to decide between Protection and DPS, so i dont think the Drake needs a workaround. A good passive shield tank still lacks the dps to be annoying enough. So nothing to change imo! Tank isnŠt everything you need.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I think the main problem lies with the Shield Extenders. With extended shields the recharge time of the shields stays the same, so shield extenders do not only give a HP bonus, but also a bonus to HP/s regeneration, thats stacks on top all regeneration Bonuses provided by other modules.
I do not see how the part in bold is true. I see how shield extenders not giving a slight negative to the recharge rate could be seen as slightly overpowered, but I do not see how that overpower translates to an actual bonus to the recharge rate.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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JonnyKay
Gallente Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: JonnyKay on 07/02/2010 15:42:26 I've seen Drake fits that do 700+ dps and have a buffer tank of over 80k HP, not only that, but the shield's recharges at roughly 200dps. Does seem a bit strong, just saying. _________________________________________________
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Anders1
Volatile Instability
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Posted - 2010.02.07 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: JonnyKay Edited by: JonnyKay on 07/02/2010 15:42:26 I've seen Drake fits that do 700+ dps and have a buffer tank of over 80k HP, not only that, but the shield's recharges at roughly 200dps. Does seem a bit strong, just saying.
what
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Scout Ops
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.07 16:33:00 -
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CCP knows this, but they wont nerf it because half EVE population would emoragequit...
The only solution is that they design a T2 Drake (black coloured) which costed about 300m ISK... and then nerf the T1 version. That would be a nice solution.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.07 16:34:00 -
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Yes, nerf the shuttle.
Oh... wait a minute, the OP said Drake... Oh well, same thing.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Anders1
Originally by: JonnyKay Edited by: JonnyKay on 07/02/2010 15:42:26 I've seen Drake fits that do 700+ dps and have a buffer tank of over 80k HP, not only that, but the shield's recharges at roughly 200dps. Does seem a bit strong, just saying.
what
Rage HAMs, everything overheated, all skills at level 5 and implants, prolly gang boost, too. --------
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 16:45:00 -
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[Drake, Bumper] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field I Invulnerability Field I Photon Scattering Field I Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
618 DPS / 85K EHP, peaks just over 710 dps if you overheat.
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fuer0n
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: fuer0n on 07/02/2010 17:04:55
Originally by: Nexo92
Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 07/02/2010 13:41:56
the only things they have going for them now is their dps, they fail at everything else.
Dude, DPS IS a tank
drake is just a drake and it helps new players get into a good place early on. leave it alone.
i remember well when this lesson was learned to me. 1 more person on the offensive side of the team than the defence makes a huge difference. it is selective and timing needs to be right.
a good offence is a good defence.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Talon Edited by: Darius Talon on 07/02/2010 11:36:12 Edited by: Darius Talon on 07/02/2010 11:34:58 The Drake is seriously overpowered when it comes to ratting, missions and Sleeper sites!! I have seen Drakes shield tank 4 Sleeper BS's when a similar fit Raven could not. This is an imbalance within the game. The Drake needs a BIG nerf!!
btw, Obvious troll is OBVIOUS!!!
And yeah, I do think the Drake is a freaking awesome ship, thats why I am training for it.
If you fit a raven similar to your drake, I think I know why its not going very well for you....
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: fuer0n
a good offense is a good defense.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor [Drake, Bumper] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field I Invulnerability Field I Photon Scattering Field I Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
618 DPS / 85K EHP, peaks just over 710 dps if you overheat.
T1 invuls??? What an insult to the Drake!!!!111one!!
lol but yeah, Drake is overpowered. I endorse the T2 Drake idea.
And now a suggestion: bring jamming back to lvl4 missions... its just tarded that lvl3 Guristas do heavy jamming while lvl4 don't
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Yabba Addict on 07/02/2010 17:23:45 If you're gonna post fits that give a reason for a nerf then at least use one that doesn't require implants to fit it in the first place, because you're actually using more than what ccp designed it for. Excelent troll btw, it's goin strong :D
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Daniel Cordova
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Anders1
Originally by: JonnyKay Edited by: JonnyKay on 07/02/2010 15:42:26 I've seen Drake fits that do 700+ dps and have a buffer tank of over 80k HP, not only that, but the shield's recharges at roughly 200dps. Does seem a bit strong, just saying.
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Rage HAMs, everything overheated, all skills at level 5 and implants, prolly gang boost, too.
Tried this on EFT with everything officer, best implants, gang boosts, boosters, and still can't manage to get anywhere near those numbers. Sounds like the usual B.S. to have a Caldari ship nerfed. No rhyme or reason other than just because I can't fly it as good as someone else does.
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