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Jita Sugar
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:40:00 -
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What does it take to gank a freighter nowadays, I'm thinking of using one to move tech 1 stuff (loot from missions and the odd bit of market trading)between Jita and outposts - and coz I want one, I know it'll probably never pay itself off for my use, but what the heck.
How many battleships are we talking about? Where does the kinda break even point lie?
Thanks for any help
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Hikaru Sulu
Caldari Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:06:00 -
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by outposts do you mean 0.0 outposts, or are you a newb referring to places you go in high sec that aren't jita? if you mean 0.0 outposts, just.... no.
If you mean moving around high sec, it would take quite a few (as in im thinking at the very LEAST upwards of 20) smart-bombing or gank battleships to take you down in the one or two shots they'll get off before concord ****s them thoroughly. In EFT I'm getting a charon with about 180,000 Effective Hit Points they have to chew through in about 2 seconds, so almost impossible.
In essence what I'm saying is your freighter is safe from random suiciders in high sec, unless there's like 50 people willing to blow 100 mil each to suicide you. Unless your at war, in which case 1 ship could sit there and hold you with a point and shoot you to his hearts desire, so again, don't be dumb like taking your freighter to low-sec or 0.0, or undocking it while at war, and you'll be fine.
Originally by: Morrow Disca So, I find myself suddenly cross training for Amarr. .... because the Abaddon firing lasers looks cooler than the Fonz carrying a big bag of cool things. |
elimuhn8v2
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: elimuhn8v2 on 07/02/2010 13:53:57
Originally by: Hikaru Sulu In EFT I'm getting a charon with about 180,000 Effective Hit Points they have to chew through in about 10 seconds, so with +25 bs it's possible.
In essence what I'm saying is your freighter is unsafe from random group suiciders in high sec, there's like 5000 people willing to blow some faction ammo each to suicide you in jita. If your at war, 1 ship could sit there and hold you with a point and shoot you to his hearts desire, so again, don't be dumb like taking your freighter to low-sec or 0.0, or undocking it while at war, and not carry several bil in cargo without an escort you'll be relatively fine.
There i fixed your post for you
Group gankers are out there the chance you meet them in or going too jita is there. Never fly what you can't afford to use.
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Hikaru Sulu
Caldari Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.07 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: elimuhn8v2 Edited by: elimuhn8v2 on 07/02/2010 13:53:57
There i fixed your post for you
Group gankers are out there the chance you meet them in or going too jita is there. Never fly what you can't afford to use.
Ok fine, if you choose to believe this guy, and assume there are 25+ people in battleships just waiting to suicide you every time you jump into jita or undock from 4-4 (which there aren't), just don't autopilot and fly around with a same corp friend or alt who has a webbing frigate. Hooray, insta-warping freighter.
Originally by: Morrow Disca So, I find myself suddenly cross training for Amarr. .... because the Abaddon firing lasers looks cooler than the Fonz carrying a big bag of cool things. |
elimuhn8v2
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:09:00 -
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^^ just providing some ying to you're yang
Now i'm not the one saying he will meet them every time he undocks or goes into jita.
But i'm also not the one who is saying it costs 100 mil to bs gank some one. (it doesn't you make money on the bs loss with nice insurance, only costs are modules, ammo and some standings)
I also didn't tell anything about it being impossible to gank a freighter linkage not a charon but it would be toast as well.
A wel fitted orca has 200+k ehp and it gets ganked just fine. Now frieghters/orca's are not the number one target out there for gankers but thinking you are safe anywhere in eve is just being stupid.
the op asked what it takes to gank a freighter, it takes 20-25 bs depending on skill to wreck a freighter.
Having an escort (dual webber or scout) goes a long way in preventing being ganked i agree on that.
I also agree that the chance of being ganked in a frieghter with nothing of value is slim but not impossible. Since there are people who will kill you just for the fun of it. |
Sebatielle
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hikaru Sulu Ok fine, if you choose to believe this guy, and assume there are 25+ people in battleships just waiting to suicide you every time you jump into jita or undock from 4-4 (which there aren't), just don't autopilot and fly around with a same corp friend or alt who has a webbing frigate. Hooray, insta-warping freighter.
A webbing frigate? This can make the freighter warp more quickly?
How does this happen?
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sebatielle
A webbing frigate? This can make the freighter warp more quickly?
How does this happen?
Works like this. The freighter pilot hit's warp and starts aligning. It points in the direction of the next gate and start accelearting. An corp-mate decideds to help and hits a webber. A ship will go to warp at aboutt 75% of max speed. The webbers lower the max speed of a freighter, but not it's actual speed. Thus the game reads that the freighter has attained a speed greater then 75% and immediately kicks it into warp.
Used to be a freighter could warp side ways because of that. Not sure if they patched that up in dominion.
But back to suicide ganking, not even jump freighters are immune Killboard Linkage
But the fact that people bother making videos of it shows that it probably isnt going to happen to you every day.
and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Poses
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Poses on 07/02/2010 15:55:14 19 1400 arty pests t1 fit can one shot a freighter.... just sayin...
it should also be noted that after insurance it only costs like 20-30M so all you need is ~600M worht of cargo to make it worth it...
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Poses Edited by: Poses on 07/02/2010 15:55:14 19 1400 arty pests t1 fit can one shot a freighter.... just sayin...
it should also be noted that after insurance it only costs like 20-30M so all you need is ~600M worht of cargo to make it worth it...
Actually the Freighter will need to carry double that, since you can assume half the cargo is lost in its destruction. I'm not sure what the current Freighter gank limit is at, but I would never put more than 1bil in my Freighter.
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Mr Ignitious
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.02.07 19:27:00 -
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I've ganked a freighter... It does happen.
There was approx 20 of us in mega's, geddons, the usual dps machines.
I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Poses Edited by: Poses on 07/02/2010 15:55:14 19 1400 arty pests t1 fit can one shot a freighter.... just sayin...
it should also be noted that after insurance it only costs like 20-30M so all you need is ~600M worht of cargo to make it worth it...
I suicided a domi and a tempest the other night, cost me 13mil total I'd be willing to round to 15mil as I use some mods from hanger when fitting the domi.
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XTCDealer
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:38:00 -
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@OP,
Organized ganking of freighters happens. People sit with scouts a few jumps out from the ambush point and scan incoming/outgoing freighters for goodies.
Hauling a bunch of T1 junk will probably not attract much attention, but a full load of T2 will.
That said, it can take 20+ BSs to down a decently-tanked freighter.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: XTCDealer
That said, it can take 20+ BSs to down a decently-tanked freighter.
Implants and skills aside, how do you tank a freighter? _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Levistus Junior
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.08 08:30:00 -
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In my experience at least, most hi-sec suicide gankers don't gank for pure griefing pleasure, but for profit. If you make it so that there is little to gain from ganking you (the expected profit is too small compared with the ship losses and sec status loss) you should be pretty safe. As others have said, don't carry more than 1 bil or so in your freighter and you should be fine.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.08 09:28:00 -
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Ok fine, if you choose to believe this guy, and assume there are 25+ people in battleships just waiting to suicide you every time you jump into jita or undock from 4-4 (which there aren't), just don't autopilot and fly around with a same corp friend or alt who has a webbing frigate.
Eve is Darwin's playground, including prey, dumber prey and dumb / smart predators.
The dumber prey are the high value, autopilot haulers. The dumb predators are the "24/7" gate campers.
The prey are non autopilot haulers (the smart prey are non autopilot haulers who limit cargo to < 1.2-1.5B in a freighter). The predators take turns at cargo scanning people leaving hubs. In case of valuable cargo they talk friends on Ventrilo or whatever and they log in the gank ships sitting at a choke point several warps away (the obvious ones being Sivala, Uedama, Niarja, Hek and the nearby pipe). The smart predators setup bait contracts and have the prey auto-warn them.
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.02.08 15:55:00 -
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It's Safe
Go for it!
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Amneamnius
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:44:00 -
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with suicide battleships, you lose almost nothing if your alliance builds them. 8 t1 guns, lows are all damage mods, and a t1 scram, webs, painters, and mwd for bumps. you load 3 volleys of faction ammo.
it takes about ~24 (+ a hauler to scoop loot) people to take a freighter out in .5
16 people to take out an orca.
3 t1 cruisers to take out a hulk.
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