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Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:05:00 -
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I've had the standing for a while to run level 4s but no where near the ISK to afford a BS. I make so little off level 3s that it will take me forever to be able to afford even the cheapest BS though. So would it be possible to run level 4s in my myrmidon so I could get the cash up quicker for a BS?
my fit.
5x T1 250 rails 1 tractor
AB 4x cap rechargers II
dc II 2x MAR II 2x mission specific hardners II drone damage thing II
Side question. I'm still pretty far from T2 hybrids, but do have T2 lasers. Would i be better off with an Amarr BS for missions since I can fit T2 guns? I've heard they're not the best for missions which is why I cross trained to gallente, but I can only fit T1 hyrbrids (although I do have T2 light and medium drones) With how tight money is when I finally can afford a BS I want to buy the right one for what I want which is an efficient high sec mission runner to fund the losses I'm going to incur learning PvP.
one last question. I have salvage skill at 5, but I really can't tell if it's worth the time it takes to fly back to a station, refit salvagers and tractors, fly back and salvage everything. Is this something I should be doing? I know dual boxing is much better for that, but I do not have two accounts so that isn't an option. |
Batelle
Aliastra
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:34:00 -
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if you have t2 large energy turrets, then you can either put medium pulse lasers on your myrmidon, and/or start running level 4's in a pulse-apoc. Although, I'm not sure how well the pulse-apoc works if you're pulling missions against serpentis and guristas. My reaction to the tier system and skill tree overhaul https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=899560#post899560 |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:07:00 -
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Batelle wrote:if you have t2 large energy turrets, then you can either put medium pulse lasers on your myrmidon, and/or start running level 4's in a pulse-apoc. Although, I'm not sure how well the pulse-apoc works if you're pulling missions against serpentis and guristas.
I've never thought about putting the lasers on my myrmidon since it doesn't have any hybrid bonus anyway. I'm currently cap stable running both reppers which I like for missions but my cap skills are high enough I may be able to still pull that off. Thanks for the suggestion.
I mission in amarr space which seems to be mostly sansha or gallente npcs. |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:40:00 -
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Hello If You have trouble financing a BS from running Level 3's then I advise against running level 4s. There is something wrong you have to fix first. (tactics ? skills? standings ? No looting ? or simply too impatient?)
A Dominix costs a bit over 80 mill last time i checked. So basically 20-30 mill more than the Myrmidon you obviously had no problems financing.
PS: Meta 4 rails perform the same as T2 rails. |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:58:00 -
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Aaewen Hrothgarson wrote:Hello If You have trouble financing a BS from running Level 3's then I advise against running level 4s. There is something wrong you have to fix first. (tactics ? skills? standings ? No looting ? or simply too impatient?)
A Dominix costs a bit over 80 mill last time i checked. So basically 20-30 mill more than the Myrmidon you obviously had no problems financing.
PS: Meta 4 rails perform the same as T2 rails.
well part of the problem is I have a pretty intense job so if I get about 2 hours of play every other day at best.
Making between 2-3 mil a mission that's 26 missions at best not including any cost of replacing T2 drones who don't return to bay before getting popped. Is that normal for what I should be making or is that maybe something I'm doing wrong? |
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:43:00 -
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I started running level 4's in a Myrm, I did eventually lose one it was costly to replace at the time.
Dual rep you should have the tank just make sure you can keep moving, read about the missions in advance, there were some missions that were very difficult.
Are you in Amarr space? Hybrids are best for Gallente, Caldari space. |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:05:00 -
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Well, replacing T2 drones is costly. It'll eat up almost all the profit. It can (and will) happen, but it shouldn't.
Your problem is aggro management then. try the following:
1. Read up on the mission!
2. Decide on tactic. Pull a group by shooting them (just firing is enough, even if you are way out of range) and avoid pulling additional groups, as their aggro is pretty unpredictable (This is also important if you have no drones ...) 2a. Deploy drones after all members of that group appear flashing red or yellow squares in the overview. 2b. If you pull additional groups NOT by actively shooting them, recall your drones asap and redeploy them.
3. If you know the next wave is due, recall them as soon (or better, just before) you kill the trigger.
4. Have the drone window open and expand the "drones in space". As soon as a drone starts to taking damage, recall it.
After some time it'll become second nature.
If your time is limited, just do 2-3 missions in that time and concentrate on not loosing drones. It's a game, no one pays you for rushing it. |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:03:00 -
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Thanks for the advice everyone. |
Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:15:00 -
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Yes you can, but the myrm will kill stuff slower than a BS to the point you will actually make ISK faster sticking to 3s. Add the extra risk and the slower income and it just isn't worth it. But if you want to do it for the FUN factor go for it. Some people like doing 4s in frigates. There are two kinds of player. -áThe kind that adapts to the game, and the kind that expect the game to adapt to them. -áDo don't a number 2 on EvE. -áThank you. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:21:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes you can, but the myrm will kill stuff slower than a BS to the point you will actually make ISK faster sticking to 3s. Add the extra risk and the slower income and it just isn't worth it. But if you want to do it for the FUN factor go for it. Some people like doing 4s in frigates.
Must admit I have never thought of doing level 4 missions in a frigate.
I can fly Enyo - Ishkur so any suggestions for a decent fit would be most welcome.
Could be fun.
You want fries with that? |
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.06.29 06:10:00 -
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About your myrm fit.
Drop the salvager and fit as many guns as possible, salvage the old fashion way after the mission with a destroyer with tractors and salvagers, prop mod and cargo expanders.
If you can fit on a target painter or omni tracking link this will help your drones.
Some level fours have shortcuts, try and use them at first.
Examples: -
Recon I - has great bounties but you do not need to kill the NPCGÇÖs so kill what you can and leave.
Recon II complete in a fast frig.
Recon III - easy mission just use multiple hardeners.
Duo of Death is easy just watch for spider drones.
Cargo delivery can also be blitzed easily
Avoid missions with three damage types.
There are missions where rats do not have to be killed to activate gates. Such as The Assault. I used to kill an isolated battleship group then go back to the gate leaving the rest, next two pockets were easier
If you find you can complete a pocket with good bounties and are short of time then a mission can be farmed by not completing it, the mission will reset at downtime. You should have seven days.
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Gethin Arq
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:29:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes you can, but the myrm will kill stuff slower than a BS to the point you will actually make ISK faster sticking to 3s. Add the extra risk and the slower income and it just isn't worth it.
I'm not sure about that. I cleared the first room of Recon (level 4 against Serpentis) with a Myrmidon in about 45 minutes. About 8 million in bounty and 7.5 million (estimated) in loot. Maybe I've just been getting a lousy selection of level 3s, but I don't think I was making 15.5 million an hour with them. |
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:23:00 -
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I think you can and should start running l4s. They definitely net you more isk and a lot of them arenGÇÖt even that much harder.
When you start running them, check sites like http://eve-survival.org to know what youGÇÖre up against. Always check, if you can blitz missions, because this will be more profitable as long as you run with a low damage ship like the myrm.
You should make money relatively fast and then should think about getting an apoc, as was mentioned above already. For em weak rats this is an excellent starter bs and will breeze through l4s fast.
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Constable Chang
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Posted - 2012.06.30 01:48:00 -
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If you are having difficulties making enough money running level 3s to afford a battleship for level 4s I would say that running level 3s in a Myrmidon is part of the problem.
The Myrm has an admirable tank but its dps is limited by its drone bandwidth (same as a Vexor cruiser) and no bonus to guns. This means that in effect a Myrm has almost the same dps output potential as a Vexor. In fact, unless you start putting lots of drone damage mods on the Myrm its dps is less than a Vexor (due to the Vexor having same bandwidth and bonused guns). But then that takes away from your tank. Ie the Myrm can outdps a Vexor because the Myrm has more low slots for drone damage mods but this takes the Myrms tank down closer to the level of the Vexor. IMO its a lose-lose for the Myrm.
If I were you I'd evaluate my options for an alternative battlecruiser for running level 3 missions faster. My choice would be a hurricane. I'll assume you are armor tanking your Myrm to take advantage of its bonuses... So don't put plates or armor rigs on the Hurricane. Armor tank it, sure, but don't slow it down. And keep a selection of artillery and autocannons and research the mission to figure out which is better suited.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Inglorious Waffles Care Factor
100
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Posted - 2012.06.30 02:32:00 -
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Aaewen Hrothgarson wrote:PS: Meta 4 rails perform the same as T2 rails.
Since nobody else said anything...
Most people train the weapon specialization skills (required for T2) to level 4. On turrets, this equates to T2s putting out about 8% more dps. Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Gethin Arq
2
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:38:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Aaewen Hrothgarson wrote:PS: Meta 4 rails perform the same as T2 rails. Since nobody else said anything... Most people train the weapon specialization skills (required for T2) to level 4. On turrets, this equates to T2s putting out about 8% more dps. T2 rails also give the option of using advanced ammo (Spike and Javelin). |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:54:00 -
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myrmidon is a sad sad ship :(. BTW did you know you could fit the same tank as a drake, in other words passive shield recharge, just make sure to use capless guns and to allow 1-2 hrs per lvl 4 mission.
If you have t2 large lazors shouldn't you be running lvl 4s in an armageddon - at least it has more bandwidth than the drone battlecruiser :) |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:26:00 -
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Gethin Arq wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Aaewen Hrothgarson wrote:PS: Meta 4 rails perform the same as T2 rails. Since nobody else said anything... Most people train the weapon specialization skills (required for T2) to level 4. On turrets, this equates to T2s putting out about 8% more dps. T2 rails also give the option of using advanced ammo (Spike and Javelin).
In the OP he stated he is pretty far from T2 Hybrids. And if he struggles with efficiency, 8% wont help him that much - and advanced ammo will eat into his profits. |
Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.03 06:40:00 -
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Gethin Arq wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Yes you can, but the myrm will kill stuff slower than a BS to the point you will actually make ISK faster sticking to 3s. Add the extra risk and the slower income and it just isn't worth it. I'm not sure about that. I cleared the first room of Recon (level 4 against Serpentis) with a Myrmidon in about 45 minutes. About 8 million in bounty and 7.5 million (estimated) in loot. Maybe I've just been getting a lousy selection of level 3s, but I don't think I was making 15.5 million an hour with them.
Hrm, well they have made a few changes to the loot tables since I did 3s. If a player's skills are weak, the risk/reward for doing 4s in a myrm might still not be worth it. Certianly, one should get in a BS asap. As sentries will tear up 4s much better. "I was about to say GÇ£HereGÇÖs a RubikGÇÖs cube, go f%$^ yourself,GÇ¥ because thatGÇÖs what we do with EVE Online." EVE Lead Game Designer Kristoffer Touborg for PC Gamer |
Sentry 10
ANZAC ALLIANCE Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:48:00 -
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Nobody else has said this so I'll say it: you mentioned going back to station to refit your myrm for salvaging role. May I suggest you keep a dedicated salvager on hand to avoid refitting? And a small fast ship that is. I used a mwd, 6 salvager fit coercer and its served me well. It has good cap, so you can burn your mwd to far off targets and still use all 6 of your salvagers, and it should never take more than 1 salvage volley for a wreck at your skills.
Also. Ninja salvage is the best way to finance your pre-lvl4 activity
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5xdcQuRycbs |
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dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:30:00 -
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It's not impossible to do level 4 missions in a myrmidon, but it's a lot more skill dependent then level 3 missions, if you can't use at least T2 medium drones i would stick to level 3 missions. You are going to lack 2 heavy drones compared to the Dominix, which is noticeable in the more battleship heavy missions.
If you want to maximize the mission payouts, i think you need to find a place with a 1-2 both level 3 and 4 agents within a few jumps. You are going to get some level 4 missions that take forever to do in a battlecruiser, which you may want to decline, having multiple agents close by makes it easier to get the more profitable missions.
As others have mentioned, it's a good idea to read the mission guides, especially when doing level 4 with a battlecruiser trying to maximize profits. Some missions have "shortcuts" that makes it possible to avoid some groups, which can be very helpful in some missions. |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:08:00 -
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Thanks for all the advice and help everyone. I managed to make enough ISk to buy an armageddon, I'm making so much more isk now doing level 4s. So much so that I bought and fitted a domi as well.
Both of which are dual rep, cap stable, and can basically draw aggro from a whole room without breaking a sweat. I'm loving it. |
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