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EXO NEFIN	Posted - 2010.02.08 19:59:00 - [1] Ok so I put in a petition for this a few days ago and was just wandering if anyone has had any experience or knowledge on a similar predicament. I recently came back from a few day vacation to find out that my 'friend', we're not talking, decided that I don't need to play eve anymore. He logged onto my accounts and deleted what characters he could. Yea I know he shouldn't be able to log on to my accounts. I had the info in a folder by my comp with all my maps and so forth. Anyway the thought of starting over, which I've already done in the past few days while waiting for a petition response, is killing me. My main, and 2 alts are gone. About 2-3years of playtime and several billion in assets. Is there any chance of recovery? I don't know how the info is handled on the tranquility server or if its still there after deletion. Could the characters be rebuilt from the most recent Sisi info? I've read the UELA and it states that only corrupt characters can be rebuilt but. . . . I guy can hope right. Might be time to move on I guess....
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2010.02.08 20:03:00 - [2] Its gone.
Salmeria GoonFleet	Posted - 2010.02.08 20:17:00 - [3] ANDDDD ITS GONE
Kate Darieux New Picon Industries	Posted - 2010.02.08 20:30:00 - [4] I'm afraid there's no way back now. I've heard of someone getting drunk and deleting their character (must have been one hell of a party to still be drunk 10 hours after the deletion process starts) and CCP didn't restore anything. You might want to take a step back and decide whether it's worth starting from scratch. Though if you do, make sure you pick a completely different path (different ships, different professions, etc) or you'll be bored out of your mind quite soon. Originally by: JeanPierre You need to examine Minmatar ships bro. No kidding, I tried to Salvage one last night. Took me 20 cycles before the pilot convoed me and told me to stop it.
Steve Celeste Caldari Overdogs	Posted - 2010.02.08 20:31:00 - [5] You get the double speed bonus up to 1.6 million sp, you know... ^^
EXO NEFIN	Posted - 2010.02.08 20:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Kate Darieux I'm afraid there's no way back now. I've heard of someone getting drunk and deleting their character (must have been one hell of a party to still be drunk 10 hours after the deletion process starts) and CCP didn't restore anything. You might want to take a step back and decide whether it's worth starting from scratch. Though if you do, make sure you pick a completely different path (different ships, different professions, etc) or you'll be bored out of your mind quite soon. confirming being bored out of my mind after 2 days of starting from nubdom.
Swiftgaze Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.08 20:56:00 - [7] CAN I HAVE UR- oh dammit. :(
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2010.02.08 21:46:00 - [8] Petition it anyways.
Rodneh	Posted - 2010.02.08 21:50:00 - [9] What punishment do you inflict on him, and how many months is he expected to be in hospital? Other than that, enjoy having your life back.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.02.08 23:06:00 - [10] Its gone I am afraid. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Joe Astor Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.02.08 23:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Joe Astor on 08/02/2010 23:24:49 If your account was hacked, I've heard stories of CCP restoring characters (not sure about assets). If they knew your password because you had given it to them at some stage, then it would be your fault and CCP would not do anything. Accounts and/or passwords aren't meant to be shared according to the EULA. [Edit: Spelling Fail.]
Daelorn	Posted - 2010.02.08 23:36:00 - [12] Your characters application to join Doomheim has been accepted?!
Feone	Posted - 2010.02.09 00:11:00 - [13] Kill him, make him suffer. I'm surprised your friend didn't sell them, unless he never played in which case I recommend you do the first thing I suggested along with several other things that will cost him $$ that can't be traced back to you and of course aren't illegal. Disclaimer I am on the internet and can't be held responsible for anything I advise over said internet.
EXO NEFIN	Posted - 2010.02.09 00:46:00 - [14] Edited by: EXO NEFIN on 09/02/2010 00:47:44 Originally by: Joe Astor Edited by: Joe Astor on 08/02/2010 23:24:49 If your account was hacked, I've heard stories of CCP restoring characters (not sure about assets). If they knew your password because you had given it to them at some stage, then it would be your fault and CCP would not do anything. Accounts and/or passwords aren't meant to be shared according to the EULA. [Edit: Spelling Fail.] Yea this is what I'm hoping. Its not exactly hacked in that my information was stolen through some email scam or something I guess but it is unauthorized entry. I mean hell, if I wanted to erase the guy I would have at least dumped all my assets outside of Amarr station or something more interesting. Hell someone could have had my stuff if I wanted to give up eve. Could of had some fun with it at least. This is a sh**ty way to go tbh.
small chimp	Posted - 2010.02.09 00:54:00 - [15] you could always sue him
Kate Darieux New Picon Industries	Posted - 2010.02.09 01:03:00 - [16] Originally by: small chimp you could always sue him American detected. Originally by: JeanPierre You need to examine Minmatar ships bro. No kidding, I tried to Salvage one last night. Took me 20 cycles before the pilot convoed me and told me to stop it.
Shant Gallente Freedom	Posted - 2010.02.09 02:22:00 - [17] I've had a deleted character revived by the GM's, in a hunt for some lost corp shares. They renamed him with numbers in the end of his name but other than that it was like he never had been deleted. Good luck.
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.09 02:23:00 - [18] Send me a mail in game if you'd like a way to get a little payback without resorting to things that will land you in prison
Randomina Randomona	Posted - 2010.02.09 10:58:00 - [19] Be interested to hear if you do get your toons back.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.09 11:06:00 - [20] And that's why I don't have friends (or I'm just a nerd but I keep telling myself the first reason ) Secure 3rd party service

Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.02.09 15:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Chribba And that's why I don't have friends (or I'm just a monk but I keep telling myself the first reason ) Fixed that for you.
Bora Tokel	Posted - 2010.02.09 15:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Kate Darieux Originally by: small chimp you could always sue him American detected.
EXO NEFIN	Posted - 2010.02.09 18:18:00 - [23] Edited by: EXO NEFIN on 09/02/2010 18:20:17 Originally by: Randomina Randomona Be interested to hear if you do get your toons back. Yea so will I.......... if anyone ever answers. You'd figure petitions in the EULA category titled "Unauthorized account access" or "Hacked" or "Stolen" or some variation thereof would get someone's attention and at least warrant a response of some sort.
LIOZTH	Posted - 2010.02.09 20:23:00 - [24] Edited by: LIOZTH on 09/02/2010 20:23:49 From the vantage point of someone in IT: Although I tend to agree the characters themselves are probably gone from the database itself. This is not to say CCP could not restore at all. The reason for this is that by and large (most) databases (Oracle, MySQL, SqlServer, PostGres) are normally backed up on a regular basis. I'm currently a DBA/SYSADMIN, and work on a number of different databases. On our primary production database we have a tiered approach to backing up data, in that we use a primary FLASHBACK area where changes can be rolled back as needed (this can be done on an individual record or the entire database if needed). Secondly, we use archive logs to maintain a concurrent consistent snapshot of the database (even while it is running), thirdly we run exports on a scheduled basis, and finally we mirror backup data on an alternate data-center (CCP is most likely using magnetic storage of some sort, either tape, or a Fibre Channel SAN). Our digital backups go back 10 years, so to say that the data is gone may be inaccurate (depending on their backup methodology of course) - as I said it is gone from the database itself, gone from the planet - highly doubt it, whether they will do a restore, this is up to CCP. I can tell you (at least based on the DB schemas I have seen, databases can vary and this could indeed be different for CCP) it should not be a difficult task for any junior DBA to restore this type of data at all, so I would think it to be rather poor form for them not to at least investigate your situation a little further. Lots of luck!
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.10 00:49:00 - [25] Originally by: LIOZTH Edited by: LIOZTH on 09/02/2010 20:23:49 From the vantage point of someone in IT: Although I tend to agree the characters themselves are probably gone from the database itself. This is not to say CCP could not restore at all. The reason for this is that by and large (most) databases (Oracle, MySQL, SqlServer, PostGres) are normally backed up on a regular basis. I'm currently a DBA/SYSADMIN, and work on a number of different databases. On our primary production database we have a tiered approach to backing up data, in that we use a primary FLASHBACK area where changes can be rolled back as needed (this can be done on an individual record or the entire database if needed). Secondly, we use archive logs to maintain a concurrent consistent snapshot of the database (even while it is running), thirdly we run exports on a scheduled basis, and finally we mirror backup data on an alternate data-center (CCP is most likely using magnetic storage of some sort, either tape, or a Fibre Channel SAN). Our digital backups go back 10 years, so to say that the data is gone may be inaccurate (depending on their backup methodology of course) - as I said it is gone from the database itself, gone from the planet - highly doubt it, whether they will do a restore, this is up to CCP. I can tell you (at least based on the DB schemas I have seen, databases can vary and this could indeed be different for CCP) it should not be a difficult task for any junior DBA to restore this type of data at all, so I would think it to be rather poor form for them not to at least investigate your situation a little further. Lots of luck! Wow, I'm sure everyone here is impressed that you're a sysadmin, I don't think EvE attracts the computer nerds. Please tell us more about a life that most be oh so exciting that you have to talk about it on internet pixel spaceship forums. Yeah, they could restore his data, but this guy admitted that he had given the guy access to his accounts which is a flagrant EULA violation. Then he goes to whine about it on the forums and is probably going to catch a ban for it. Good riddance.
Jill Xelitras	Posted - 2010.02.10 00:57:00 - [26] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale * Stuff * u mad ?
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.02.10 01:02:00 - [27] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Originally by: LIOZTH Edited by: LIOZTH on 09/02/2010 20:23:49 From the vantage point of someone in IT: Although I tend to agree the characters themselves are probably gone from the database itself. This is not to say CCP could not restore at all. The reason for this is that by and large (most) databases (Oracle, MySQL, SqlServer, PostGres) are normally backed up on a regular basis. I'm currently a DBA/SYSADMIN, and work on a number of different databases. On our primary production database we have a tiered approach to backing up data, in that we use a primary FLASHBACK area where changes can be rolled back as needed (this can be done on an individual record or the entire database if needed). Secondly, we use archive logs to maintain a concurrent consistent snapshot of the database (even while it is running), thirdly we run exports on a scheduled basis, and finally we mirror backup data on an alternate data-center (CCP is most likely using magnetic storage of some sort, either tape, or a Fibre Channel SAN). Our digital backups go back 10 years, so to say that the data is gone may be inaccurate (depending on their backup methodology of course) - as I said it is gone from the database itself, gone from the planet - highly doubt it, whether they will do a restore, this is up to CCP. I can tell you (at least based on the DB schemas I have seen, databases can vary and this could indeed be different for CCP) it should not be a difficult task for any junior DBA to restore this type of data at all, so I would think it to be rather poor form for them not to at least investigate your situation a little further. Lots of luck! Wow, I'm sure everyone here is impressed that you're a sysadmin, I don't think EvE attracts the computer nerds. Please tell us more about a life that most be oh so exciting that you have to talk about it on internet pixel spaceship forums. Yeah, they could restore his data, but this guy admitted that he had given the guy access to his accounts which is a flagrant EULA violation. Then he goes to whine about it on the forums and is probably going to catch a ban for it. Good riddance. Did your wife leave you for a system admin or something?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.10 01:25:00 - [28] Originally by: EXO NEFIN Ok so I put in a petition for this a few days ago and was just wandering if anyone has had any experience or knowledge on a similar predicament. I recently came back from a few day vacation to find out that my 'friend', we're not talking, decided that I don't need to play eve anymore. He logged onto my accounts and deleted what characters he could. Yea I know he shouldn't be able to log on to my accounts. I had the info in a folder by my comp with all my maps and so forth. Anyway the thought of starting over, which I've already done in the past few days while waiting for a petition response, is killing me. My main, and 2 alts are gone. About 2-3years of playtime and several billion in assets. Is there any chance of recovery? I don't know how the info is handled on the tranquility server or if its still there after deletion. Could the characters be rebuilt from the most recent Sisi info? I've read the UELA and it states that only corrupt characters can be rebuilt but. . . . I guy can hope right. Might be time to move on I guess.... So.. was his girlfriend good?
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.10 01:32:00 - [29] You can get your chars back if you're presistent (but friendly) in your petition, but it all depends on when it happened. Has to do with the mirror they made for the test servers. If you're "gone" on Tranq but still exist on any of the test servers they can copy you back, minus any assets. just the bare character. If you're past that then I don't know, either way I'm not so sure if your story will hold up or gather any sympathy at CCP so uhm... yeah. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.10 01:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Feone Disclaimer I am on the internet and can't be held responsible for anything I advise over said internet. Maybe here, but I would not use that opinion too broadly. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.10 01:47:00 - [31] Originally by: James Tritanius Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Wow, I'm sure everyone here is impressed that you're a sysadmin, I don't think EvE attracts the computer nerds. Please tell us more about a life that most be oh so exciting that you have to talk about it on internet pixel spaceship forums. Yeah, they could restore his data, but this guy admitted that he had given the guy access to his accounts which is a flagrant EULA violation. Then he goes to whine about it on the forums and is probably going to catch a ban for it. Good riddance. Did your wife leave you for a system admin or something? No, but I get tired of people obfuscating a simple cut and dry issue with useless crap. You would have to be ******ed if you don't think CCP backs up their servers and to expound for 4 paragraphs on backing up databases is stupid.
LIOZTH	Posted - 2010.02.10 03:47:00 - [32] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Yeah, they could restore his data, but this guy admitted that he had given the guy access to his accounts which is a flagrant EULA violation. Then he goes to whine about it on the forums and is probably going to catch a ban for it. Good riddance. Quote: ...I get tired of people obfuscating a simple cut and dry issue with useless crap. Quote: You would have to be ****ed if you don't think CCP backs up their servers and to expound for 4 paragraphs on backing up databases is stupid. Well get ready for another 'long' post: First, ouch man watch the comments, that really hurt! I was unaware that internet space was at a premium these days, do I owe you anything for forcing my comments on you, or were they too tough to read and you just skipped them over . I guess I should have proceeded my comments with "IMHO" or "please forgive the length of the post". But, guess what, I really do not care what you really think of the post, as it was only intended to be informative, and was meant specifically to help the OP understand how the technology worked. If you read it and got something from it great! If you did not well that is really your loss. If you read the OP's post (my guess is you probably didn't), he/she asked several questions in which the information was indeed relevant: Originally by:** EXO NEFIN Is there any chance of recovery? I don't know how the info is handled on the tranquility server or if its still there after deletion. Could the characters be rebuilt from the most recent Sisi info? So "Doll" quit yer *****in', learn how to read properly, and keep on playing. Safe Flying!
Gerrei	Posted - 2010.02.10 04:52:00 - [33] Originally by: EXO NEFIN I had the info in a folder by my comp with all my maps and so forth. No you didn't. Nobody is that stupid.
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.10 05:56:00 - [34] Originally by: LIOZTH Edited by: LIOZTH on 10/02/2010 03:56:15 So "Doll" quit yer *****in', learn how to read properly, and keep on playing. Safe Flying! So apparently Gerreri is the only person that can actually read between the lines. This guy was sharing his account with his buddy and his buddy got butt-hurt about something and deleted everything. Simple. Cut. Dry. I hope he enjoys his ban.
Ancy Denaries The Confederate Navy	Posted - 2010.02.10 07:02:00 - [35] Originally by: James Tritanius Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Originally by: LIOZTH Edited by: LIOZTH on 09/02/2010 20:23:49 IT dude telling a sysadmin story clueless internet hero ranting about said IT dude Did your wife leave you for a system admin or something? And you, sir, win the internet. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Naked Horse Gallente The United Federation of Planets	Posted - 2010.02.10 11:53:00 - [36] Edited by: Naked Horse on 10/02/2010 11:55:23 So, you said you lost 3 years worth. I assume you had one account. 3 years is 36 months. That has cost you 538,2 euro. Now, lets say you had assets for 4.5 bils. A 60 day gtc sells for 570 (circa) in game. That is 8x 60 day game cards. Those cost 26,67 euros each at battleclinic, that amount to 213,36 euros. With the cost of subscription fees that comes to 751,56 euros. I'd go get that money from him. That way you can buy a bunch of gtc's, sell them, buy a new character and replace some of your assets. That amount of money converted to gtc's that are in turn sold in game will give you 15b and 960m. That should be enough for a 3 year old character and some nice stuff. Sorry if my math is off but that is what I would do. edit I saw that gtc's go for 520m each atm, so it would be 14b 560m. Still a good amount. -------------------------------------------------- The TNG lottery Link
Jill Xelitras	Posted - 2010.02.11 14:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Naked Horse Edited by: Naked Horse on 10/02/2010 11:55:23 So, you said you lost 3 years worth. I assume you had one account. 3 years is 36 months. That has cost you 538,2 euro. Now, lets say you had assets for 4.5 bils. A 60 day gtc sells for 570 (circa) in game. That is 8x 60 day game cards. Those cost 26,67 euros each at battleclinic, that amount to 213,36 euros. With the cost of subscription fees that comes to 751,56 euros. I'd go get that money from him. That way you can buy a bunch of gtc's, sell them, buy a new character and replace some of your assets. That amount of money converted to gtc's that are in turn sold in game will give you 15b and 960m. That should be enough for a 3 year old character and some nice stuff. Sorry if my math is off but that is what I would do. edit I saw that gtc's go for 520m each atm, so it would be 14b 560m. Still a good amount. I approve of this message
Twilight Moon Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.11 14:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Naked Horse Edited by: Naked Horse on 10/02/2010 11:55:23 So, you said you lost 3 years worth. I assume you had one account. 3 years is 36 months. That has cost you 538,2 euro. Now, lets say you had assets for 4.5 bils. A 60 day gtc sells for 570 (circa) in game. That is 8x 60 day game cards. Those cost 26,67 euros each at battleclinic, that amount to 213,36 euros. With the cost of subscription fees that comes to 751,56 euros. I'd go get that money from him. That way you can buy a bunch of gtc's, sell them, buy a new character and replace some of your assets. That amount of money converted to gtc's that are in turn sold in game will give you 15b and 960m. That should be enough for a 3 year old character and some nice stuff. Sorry if my math is off but that is what I would do. edit I saw that gtc's go for 520m each atm, so it would be 14b 560m. Still a good amount. Alternatively shove your "friend" in front of a bus.
BacardiDesire Caldari The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:51:00 - [39] just stop calling him friend allready --- Crazy dutch mofo
Sci3nce	Posted - 2010.02.11 18:11:00 - [40] Originally by: EXO NEFIN Ok so I put in a petition for this a few days ago and was just wandering if anyone has had any experience or knowledge on a similar predicament. I recently came back from a few day vacation to find out that my 'friend', we're not talking, decided that I don't need to play eve anymore. He logged onto my accounts and deleted what characters he could. Yea I know he shouldn't be able to log on to my accounts. I had the info in a folder by my comp with all my maps and so forth. Anyway the thought of starting over, which I've already done in the past few days while waiting for a petition response, is killing me. My main, and 2 alts are gone. About 2-3years of playtime and several billion in assets. Is there any chance of recovery? I don't know how the info is handled on the tranquility server or if its still there after deletion. Could the characters be rebuilt from the most recent Sisi info? I've read the UELA and it states that only corrupt characters can be rebuilt but. . . . I guy can hope right. Might be time to move on I guess.... Do yourself a favour, If CCP doesnt restore your charachters just go to Star Trek online. Best advice i could give you.
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2010.02.11 18:22:00 - [41] tech comment: I would be very, very surprised if anything actually gets deleted from the database. Maintaining consistency would be a nightmare compared to a few bytes...
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:54:00 - [42] Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 11/02/2010 20:56:47 Originally by: Sci3nce Do yourself a favour, If CCP doesnt restore your charachters just go to Star Trek online. Best advice i could give you. How about the "Don't Share Your Password" advice? CCP can certainly restore your character if they wanted to do so. But unfortunately you lost your toon due to your violation of the EULA, releasing CCP of any liability to restore the toon.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.11 23:33:00 - [43] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 11/02/2010 23:35:22 Originally by: Trebor Notlimah But unfortunately you lost your toon due to your violation of the EULA, releasing CCP of any liability to restore the toon. Writing account info down so I don't forget it is against the EULA? puts on tinfoil hat, goes to shred a few files Edit: Hold up, how else am I going to remember a randomized password, dozens of characters long, with no words in it? Halp meh with your apparent infinite wisdom! --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2010.02.12 00:59:00 - [44] Edited by: Clueless Alt on 12/02/2010 01:01:39 Someone got his char restaured after about 1 year (from deletion). I can link the thread if you want to, but you have to understand french. :] link : http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=1047843 Screenshot : http://forums.jeuxonline.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=92433&d=1261308193

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