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Jeffwcdjt
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Posted - 2010.02.09 02:32:00 -
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Hi everyone! I was hoping to get some advice.
I started about 3 days ago as the Gallente. My goal from the beginning was to kill rats for isk. I enjoyed the thrill of it over mining and such. I lost a few ships along the way but I was getting the hang of it. Still learning game mechanics as I went.
Eventually I met someone who explained a decent setup to me. Off I went to buy myself a Tristan and some new gear. He also mentioned I'd bet better drops/rewards in lower-sec areas. I slowly moved all my stuff to a 0.5 area and started ratting. I encountered a few pirates and lost as many ships. I wasn't worried about it.
However, tonight was different...I was locked down by a gang of ~6 pirates who refused to let me go. I offered them my 61,000 isk(it had been a bad day for ships) but they insisted on a higher amount. They wrecked my ship and I shrugged it off. But then I realized I couldn't even warp to the gate. I quickly learned what it meant to be podded.
I don't want that experience to happen again. I am not opposed to starting a new character.
What I want to know is, what is the ideal race/starter-ship combo for ratting and how do I find them in higher-sec areas? Thanks for your help.
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unloadedx16
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:40:00 -
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Race really doesn't mean much, its all about the skills you train. Any race can fly any other races ships as long as you train for them. Caldari ships are known to be pretty effective all around pve ships (you can be good with any race though). Also stay in .5 security space and above if you don't want to be killed by pirates, you can still get suicide ganked in high sec though but it typically wont happen if you don't have any thing of value. You can get wardecked if your in a player corp.
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Jeffwcdjt
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:47:00 -
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Thanks for the tip. I didn't know I could fly other races ships or that I was relatively safe in 0.5 space. I don't mind getting suicide ganked...
I guess I'll stick with it and try and scrounge together some isk to buy another ship. Thanks!
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mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros The Phenom Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:05:00 -
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Any race can rat fine in highsec. There will be frig rats in 0.5-0.8 security systems (with the best ones in the lowest secs).
However, you might be better off ISK wise starting missioning, highsec rats are really a joke when it comes to money.
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Jeffwcdjt
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:17:00 -
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I'll keep that in mind. I did encounter a Baron at one point. He literally did no damage to me but I just couldn't get through his armor...then I got attacked by a pirate. Good times. Is there a balance between isk returns on rats and safety? Maybe 0.5 systems? Or does the isk income suck there too?
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Pantera Jose
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:10:00 -
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minmitar is probably a safe bet. Awsome PVP and Average PVE.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.02.09 07:01:00 -
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First of all, you are not in 0.5. It is impossible to get attacked by pirates at 0.5 space, and there won't be any Battleship rats there (Barons). Stay in 0.5 sec space and above, don't venture out in 0.4 and below if you don't want that situation repeated.
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Jeffwcdjt
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: James Tritanius First of all, you are not in 0.5. It is impossible to get attacked by pirates at 0.5 space, and there won't be any Battleship rats there (Barons). Stay in 0.5 sec space and above, don't venture out in 0.4 and below if you don't want that situation repeated.
You failed to answer my question pretty thorougly there. I already understand the error of my ways. I want to know what type of income I can expect from 0.5 sec. If I recall correctly, I was in 0.4 space when I was attacked. Please take the time to read my post and answer my question instead of copy/pasting.
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Major GaIdari
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:46:00 -
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I can't give you a specific ISK/hour number but ratting in highsec, and even lowsec for that matter, sucks. I did it for the first two months of my eve career because at the time I could make more than lvl 1 missions. However higher level missions will surpass ratting so quickly its a joke.
End of story, start missioning asap if you want isk.
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Santana IV
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Santana IV on 09/02/2010 17:48:09
Originally by: Jeffwcdjt
Originally by: James Tritanius First of all, you are not in 0.5. It is impossible to get attacked by pirates at 0.5 space, and there won't be any Battleship rats there (Barons). Stay in 0.5 sec space and above, don't venture out in 0.4 and below if you don't want that situation repeated.
You failed to answer my question pretty thorougly there. I already understand the error of my ways. I want to know what type of income I can expect from 0.5 sec. If I recall correctly, I was in 0.4 space when I was attacked. Please take the time to read my post and answer my question instead of copy/pasting.
Um...
Originally by: Jeffwcdjt Hi everyone! I was hoping to get some advice.
Eventually I met someone who explained a decent setup to me. Off I went to buy myself a Tristan and some new gear. He also mentioned I'd bet better drops/rewards in lower-sec areas. I slowly moved all my stuff to a 0.5 area and started ratting. I encountered a few pirates and lost as many ships. I wasn't worried about it.
Well, if anything, I would say he read the OP pretty well, considering you claimed you were ganked in 0.5 (high-sec). He's actually correcting you because it's extremely rare for one pirate/outlaw to get you in 0.5, let alone six. You've already realized you weren't in 0.5, despite the OP, so this is pretty pointless
Missions are pretty boring, I would advise against it.
I'd recommend you continue your trek into low-sec and stay there. Find a group ops, low-sec corp that does wormhole ratting, which is good ISK and good entertainment. Not only can you rat for income, but you're bound to get PvP (the main draw of EVE) encounters in low-sec. The thrill of blowing up pixels is much greater than it sounds, especially when you know there's another person controlling those pixels.
If you don't know, Platinum insure all your ships and don't fly what you can't afford to lose. ♦♦♦♦♦
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 18:00:00 -
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If you're going to rat/live in low sec (which I'd applaude, you'll make more cash in high sec doing misisons but that's boring and you won't learn anything) each of the 4 races works;
Caldari has range so you can stay away from the rats and possible incoming baddies Minmatar has speed so you can gtfo nice and quick amarr uses lasers which don't need ammo so you don't have to restock the whole time Gallente is a bit of a mix
Either way no ship, skill, module or whatever is going to shield you from the experience you had being podded. It has nothing much do to with shiptype or even SP, it has to do with your awareness and preparation. They KNOW what you are flying so if they come for you you can be sure they'll be able to finish the job.
So you need to prepare, check local, use tour scanner, have an exit strategy, don't be at the center of the belt, pay attention, have bookmarks. There's lots of things and neither of them require sp, they require you to have learned and to pay attention.
So on your question of which race is "better" (as if there is one) the real answer is "the one with the smartest pilot". Check my youtube channel for vids on all kinds of useful "survival" stuff and simple game mechanics. If you stop acting like prey you stop being the hunted.
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Jeffwcdjt
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Posted - 2010.02.09 18:35:00 -
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I think I'd like to focus on low-sec ratting/light PVP but I keep getting told not to before the 2 month mark. Its just so much more fun. Also, I acknowledge that it will be expensive/frustrating. I actually lost 3 'well'(by my noobish standards) fitted Tristan's yesterday within about 4 hours.
However, I had a lot more fun.
I think maybe I just need to play the game a bit more and learn the mechanics better(how to survive PVP attacks). I've gotten lots of good advice so far. Thanks.
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Henry Haphorn
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Posted - 2010.02.09 19:13:00 -
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The only best way to learn is the hard way. That's my motto.
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Orion Batman
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Posted - 2010.02.10 00:41:00 -
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Travelling around lowsec is a *great* thing for a noob to try out, because you don't have anything to lose early on. Take a frigate into lowsec, jump through a couple of gates until you find a system with nobody in local chat and the go and kill the cruiser rats for isk.
Some things you need to know 1) use local chat to see who's in system 2) learn about making safespots 3) if you do get attacked then spam the warp button to get your pod out when you see your ship is going down, you should never lose a pod in lowsec. 4) fit cheap t1 gear to your ship and insure it. 5) you're most vulnerable undocking because you're not aligned - make some insta-undock bookmarks at your favourite stations. 6) the deeper you go into low-sec the fewer people you'll find, find some forgotten corners of lowsec and you'll have the system to yourself.
HOWEVER - Before you do any of this - run the tutorials, and maybe the sisters arc, because these low level introduction missions will give you plenty of cash to play with.
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Jet Maniac
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Posted - 2010.02.10 04:16:00 -
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Wow, thanks for that advice. I was considering sneaking back into lowsec with some rookie ships and cheap throwaway frigates just to understand the mechanics better. I actually started a new character because I wasn't 100% satisfied(and I like to min/max). I'm pulling in the cash now(I bet looking back in 6 months, I'll feel like a total 'noob' because of that statement) so I might setup a bunch of frigates with lots of insurance and accept the losses as they come. Thanks!
Originally by: Orion Batman Travelling around lowsec is a *great* thing for a noob to try out, because you don't have anything to lose early on. Take a frigate into lowsec, jump through a couple of gates until you find a system with nobody in local chat and the go and kill the cruiser rats for isk.
Some things you need to know 1) use local chat to see who's in system 2) learn about making safespots 3) if you do get attacked then spam the warp button to get your pod out when you see your ship is going down, you should never lose a pod in lowsec. 4) fit cheap t1 gear to your ship and insure it. 5) you're most vulnerable undocking because you're not aligned - make some insta-undock bookmarks at your favourite stations. 6) the deeper you go into low-sec the fewer people you'll find, find some forgotten corners of lowsec and you'll have the system to yourself.
HOWEVER - Before you do any of this - run the tutorials, and maybe the sisters arc, because these low level introduction missions will give you plenty of cash to play with.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.02.10 04:32:00 -
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The key thing to ratting low sec is to check local and learn to use the scanner to see if any pirates are incoming... if so you need to be able to get out of the belt asap.
Also learn how to make safespots and take it all as part of the game. You may still get caught now and again but as long as you have a general awareness and excercise caution, you should do ok. ~ Soar Like a Penguin |
ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2010.02.10 10:35:00 -
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You got ganked. The solution to this is to never rat in systems with other people, watch local constantly, and dock if there's someone else in local.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
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Posted - 2010.02.10 11:18:00 -
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The best way IMHO is to find a nice corp and work together in a team. You will find people who can help you out, they can show you fittings and you can go in small gangs to whatever you want.
There is always a better way to make more isk if you are in a team on the right place in the right system.
eg. if you manage it to find a corp in 0.0 space in a heavy defended system, you can rat there all day without problems and you can make best ISK/hour then anywhere else. Then isk will be no more problem, you can specialize in something corp needs (they always need fast tacklers and this is a 3 month job to skill) and you will have a lot of fun together with your corp mates.
Doing highsec missions solo is the other (boring) option.
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Tom Willson
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Willson on 16/02/2010 11:36:16
Originally by: Jeffwcdjt I think I'd like to focus on low-sec ratting/light PVP but I keep getting told not to before the 2 month mark. Its just so much more fun. Also, I acknowledge that it will be expensive/frustrating. I actually lost 3 'well'(by my noobish standards) fitted Tristan's yesterday within about 4 hours.
However, I had a lot more fun.
I think maybe I just need to play the game a bit more and learn the mechanics better(how to survive PVP attacks). I've gotten lots of good advice so far. Thanks.
Two months? No. Two days? More like it. If you want to rat and kill those BS' all you need is some more damage, you can already "tank" them as they cannot hit you. Bring along a mag stab or two and a load of blasters in the high slots. You could even fit a shield booster, micro warpdrive and some mag stabs + overdrive or even a warp stab in the lows for when you PvE only. The overdrive and MWD will help you gain some nice speeds if you manage to get warp disrupted by something that you can outrun. The warp stab will nullify one warp disruptor but not a scrambler, so if you get scrambled you're dead.
Just kill the frigates and cruisers fast then orbit the larger craft and slowly pick them apart, keep an eye on local and get ready to hit the warp button if someone enters local/comes to the belt.
Avoiding the center of a belt always helps too, keep your eyes on where the asteroids are to make sure you don't bump into them if you need to warp out, keep them at a distance or out of the way to your intended warp to celestial object.
And if it's PvP advice you want, contact me ingame... You might want to tell me where you're from as I am quite senile.
Edit: Spelling ******ia Maximus
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nether void
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.16 18:11:00 -
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I did the missioning route, and am just now trying to get into pvp at like 20m skillpoints. lol Anyway while the ISK is almost guaranteed via missions, I think people get into a habit and become dependant on mission ISK and high sec markets.
Anyway I won't try to sway you either way, but the best advice I can think of is to hook up with a good corp, so they can teach you how to figure out what ships to fly and what mods/skills you will need to fill specific roles. IMO the first thing a noob needs to learn is how the skill training system works and what skills and ship set ups there are. One thing you don't want to do is 'waste' time in your training, because you can only ramp it up so much and after that it's a static gain. The most precious commodity in the game, IMO, is skill points. It's the only thing that's static no matter what you do in game. (also, make sure to keep your clone upgraded so you don't lose any skill points when you get podded)
Make sure you train learning skills up very high, especially since you probably won't have any stat implants for awhile and as a pvper may never have really high level stat implants(?). Boosting your stats will help you train skills much faster.
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Don Pellegrino
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.02.18 05:04:00 -
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It's possible to never lose your pod unless you're in a bubble (bubbles are only in 0.0).
Right before losing your ship, select a celestial and click on the Warp To button over and over. Spam it. Your pod will be warping before it is even possible to start locking it.
If you don't do it before losing your ship, they could have enough time to lock your pod because you have to somewhat "load" the new sip (pod) and you can't do anything during those few seconds.
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