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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:03:00 -
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Watched a crew (and fell victim) sit at a gate in Balle and kill anything thatthey could basically one shot. They had a few fighter types and a couple haulers to pick up the loot.
Basically they cycled it. One guy would align one shot a hauler or a miner and then abandon loot and immediately dock and stay there until timer wore off.
I thought that if you got away from the NPCs it was bad news or something. But these guy did it long enough so that I got through once and then got killed going back out by someone who had killed someone earlier.
I know you can 'loe your sjip anytime anywhere", but gate camping, one shotting and then hiding out in the station is pretty frigging lame. Especially when you can let the 15 minutes elapse and go out and do it all over again.
Obviously .5 is a little different, but basically no risk for people that do what they did.
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Keanez
Solar Revenue Service
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:13:00 -
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Once you agro someone in high sec, low sec or 0.0 you get a 60 second timer which prevents you from docking. Additionally, in high sec the gates are locked to flagged criminals.
Basically, what I am saying is you're talking bull****.
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:16:00 -
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If they were suiciding in hi-sec they would have gotten concordokkened and then docked up in their pod. Evading Concord is considered an exploit.
Having said that, a well fit Tempest with 1400mm artys can easily one shot a hauler afk at a gate, which will draw concord to the grid. However, Concord will not engage you unless you commit a criminal act so alpha strikes work just fine in the presence of Concord.
Cycling through players performing the alpha strike is actually a pretty good idea. Theres another guy in the area who does a ship swap into a disco typhoon in a SS then warps in and smarties haulers at the gate. Im not sure on exactly how he does it, but hes incredibly succesful according to Battleclinic.
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:21:00 -
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You can't dock or jump a gate while GCC in highsec. You're full of ****. -------------------------------------------
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Keanez Once you agro someone in high sec, low sec or 0.0 you get a 60 second timer which prevents you from docking. Additionally, in high sec the gates are locked to flagged criminals.
Basically, what I am saying is you're talking bull****.
OK because they cant survive for 60 seconds or shoot you from about 150KM away and then run around . I saw the guy at the station when I got there. He was in his ship. I only got hit by one guy. I dont think it was a full 60 seconds before I got to the station but he disappeared into it before I did in my pod.
I unfortunately dont know all the wannabe run and hide rules that these gate campers have or can work around. All I know is what I saw.
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:32:00 -
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The guy was in a hurricane and hit me with a 720 MM Howitzer Artillery Battery II.
So to think he is going to suicide gank someone in a milion ISK ship at a chance of losing a 30 million ship is pretty stupid. So he has probably done it before and gotten away with it.
If not I am sure there is an insurance scam somewhere so in case he does happen to lose it he gets more than enough to buy another one and throw ona few guns.
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rodarine
Originally by: Keanez Once you agro someone in high sec, low sec or 0.0 you get a 60 second timer which prevents you from docking. Additionally, in high sec the gates are locked to flagged criminals.
Basically, what I am saying is you're talking bull****.
OK because they cant survive for 60 seconds or shoot you from about 150KM away and then run around . I saw the guy at the station when I got there. He was in his ship. I only got hit by one guy. I dont think it was a full 60 seconds before I got to the station but he disappeared into it before I did in my pod.
I unfortunately dont know all the wannabe run and hide rules that these gate campers have or can work around. All I know is what I saw.
No, you don't, because you're in a forum populated by people who do a lot of this stuff and they all think it's unpossible. You can alpha someone when concord is there and kill them before Concord get you; you can ship swap as a -10 and get to your target before the NPCs get you; but what you can't do is kill someone in a hisec system, and then dock up. It simply can't be done, and if it could, don't you think everyone would be doing it?
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Limdood
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Posted - 2010.02.10 19:57:00 -
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he probably killed your million ISK ship (hoping for some nice loot to be dropped), got his ship concorded (and got full insurance, making it cost next to nothing for blowing you up), then docked his POD up, then hopped into another ship he had sitting around...after all, if these are rotating suicides, don't you think they'd come prepared with extra ships?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:07:00 -
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troll (o)
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DmitryEKT
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk troll
+1
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rodarine on 10/02/2010 20:23:29
Originally by: Limdood he probably killed your million ISK ship (hoping for some nice loot to be dropped), got his ship concorded (and got full insurance, making it cost next to nothing for blowing you up), then docked his POD up, then hopped into another ship he had sitting around...after all, if these are rotating suicides, don't you think they'd come prepared with extra ships?
Maybe, but if he got podded I am not sure he could have docked and got into another ship before I got there, and his reship timer wore off. Full insurance on a hurricane is a little over 10 million for a 36 million isk pay off. so he lost money, especially since I was carrying nothing and only had 9 empty Giant secure containers, and I got 3 of those back.
I did lose about 15 million in rigs and fittings, and 6 containers. Not horrible just a pain in the ass.
Basically that kind of **** is borderline griefing. But then again it was done by someone who used to be in Goon Allaince so they are probably bored now without any carebear protection in low sec they gate camp .5 sec areas now.
Ultimate fix would be to have anyone Concorded lose any insurance pay off and that would really fix all the scams. But then again they cant do that because then it would collapse the market they are so proud of because without inurance scams people wouldn't build or sell any ships,and that would trickle down to everyone else that plays. Because the market would be loaded with ore and minerals that no one would want or afford to buy.
I would love to see the concord killboard actually. I ride by a couple stations and see literally dozens of ships that have been suicided for the nsurance. But at least those guys aren't greifing people in the proces I suppose.
Either way, I dont care about the ship, I just wondered how he got to dock in it without losing it. Because I just saw another guy getting shot up (who obviously attacked someone) waiting at the CAS station in Balle looking for the timer to wear off. So he must not know the 'trick' or something.
Ultimately I guess it doesnt matter, they didnt get too much if anything off me, and he (according to everyone here) lost his ship. Just bugged me that they did it to quite a few people for awhile there this morning, and other than insurance money I am not toosure what you will hope to get killing Itty 1's and Retrievers other than a little ore and maybe a fitting or two. In my mammoth they must have thought theyhit the jackpot until they realized I was empty. But then again I guess they got some wood over a kill mail.
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Limdood
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:29:00 -
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if you are so amazingly sure that he docked his ship instead of getting concorded (and he didn't have aggression or killrights against you), then petition it. It is a bannable offense to evade concord in any way - and most ways that people HAVE come up with in the past are no longer possible anyways.
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Slimy Worm
Vivicide Vivisection.
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Slimy Worm on 10/02/2010 20:37:09 Boxxy responds to the original post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bMLrA_0O5I
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Limdood if you are so amazingly sure that he docked his ship instead of getting concorded (and he didn't have aggression or killrights against you), then petition it. It is a bannable offense to evade concord in any way - and most ways that people HAVE come up with in the past are no longer possible anyways.
I tried to look up to see if he lost his ship but cant find a kill board for his corp, doesnt matter. But he was in a ship when I docked and not a pod thats for sure. And I really cant see how (if) he got podded, docked, reshipped and then redocked again in the time it took me to get there in my pod. Because he was in a ship., and definately docked and didnt warp off as I was approaching docking distance. So that tells me he was aligned, one shotted me (I got the email confirm before I was even fully loaded in the system and obviously still supposed to be cloacked). And took off. Because it all happened in about 3 seconds. I even said WTF was that in local. Beause I thought it was smart bomb or something.
Like I said it is to be expected I guess. Whether or not he did lose the ship is a concern sort of, but save it and miss out on the insurance scam or lose it and cash in I don't think it really matters in the end.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: DmitryEKT
Originally by: Le Skunk troll
+1
Originally by: Rodarine The guy was in a hurricane and hit me with a 720 MM Howitzer Artillery Battery II.
Gave it away tbh
Originally by: salva dore Cloak should not be AFK solution. What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Kyle Langdon
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.10 20:49:00 -
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I call troll. The moment that you agress in High Sec you have about 4 seconds (in a .5) before Concord comes and insta-gimps you. You get jammed, scrammed, neuted, and webbed 100%. There is no way he got away. He is either using hax (very unlikely), or you're just trolling about insurance payouts for Concord losses (very likely).
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Langdon I call troll. The moment that you agress in High Sec you have about 4 seconds (in a .5) before Concord comes and insta-gimps you. You get jammed, scrammed, neuted, and webbed 100%. There is no way he got away. He is either using hax (very unlikely), or you're just trolling about insurance payouts for Concord losses (very likely).
As I said I wanted to know how he did it. There were about 4 or 5 Concords and maybe a dozen federation ships hanging out at that gate. because it had been going on there for awhile I would imagine. Not sure how many PC ships maybe 5 or 6, not sure who was warping and who was in on it. I just know I warped in, was dead and I sat there looking for my giant containers for a few seconds then docked at CAS and ran out to retreive the containers that were left, or hopefully still be there when I got back. I got all 3. They did have a wreck and that was salvaged and then abandoned and tractored to an awaiting Obby. Not sure what they got out of that. I just know when I got to the station the guy was there, a single guy, I only got a single kill right from the encounter. So he was going to be the only red target I saw. He was in a ship. Whether it was a new ship or not who knows. He docked before I could click on him. So I have to assume it was the ship he killed me with since there are too many other timers to go through to be able to get podded, dock, reship, and then redock again.
I am not questioning anythng that people say, because I know it. I just want to know if he got past them how, and why, and what are the consequences.
All the other stuff is common knowledge, as far as the insurance and what not, so that isnt even worthy of calling a troll. If I wanted to discuss that I would make a seperate post about it to go along with the others.
Obviously if I could find a kill board somewhere and see if he did lose or didnt lose aship then it would be a moot discussion, but since I can't I can only assume what I initially assumed, that he got past the 60 second timer (although I think he docked before that) or he miraculously got podded, docked, reshipped, indocked, and redocked within 30 seconds.
The real concern was that they hade been doing it for over an hour and had a good sized crew there doing it. So that also made me think they were 'getting away' with not being podded by NPC ships. Unless of course they all decided to run a bunch of ships into Balle for the sole purpose of running a gank fest against low level miners and haulers for a few hours. Which doesnt make sense either.
If people really want to know and they know if the corp has a kill board I can post the corp name, but I looked for 30 minutes or so and couldnt find one for them.
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Alchemist Zemont
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.02.10 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rodarine Watched a crew (and fell victim) sit at a gate in Balle and kill anything thatthey could basically one shot. They had a few fighter types and a couple haulers to pick up the loot.
Basically they cycled it. One guy would align one shot a hauler or a miner and then abandon loot and immediately dock and stay there until timer wore off.
I thought that if you got away from the NPCs it was bad news or something. But these guy did it long enough so that I got through once and then got killed going back out by someone who had killed someone earlier.
I know you can 'loe your sjip anytime anywhere", but gate camping, one shotting and then hiding out in the station is pretty frigging lame. Especially when you can let the 15 minutes elapse and go out and do it all over again.
Obviously .5 is a little different, but basically no risk for people that do what they did.
Can I have all your stuff?
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.02.10 21:47:00 -
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Go do it again and fraps it, then post it.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.02.10 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rodarine They did have a wreck and that was salvaged and then abandoned and tractored to an awaiting Obby.
he miraculously got podded, docked, reshipped, indocked, and redocked within 30 seconds.
Obby? Are you talking about an Obliesk freighter? As far as I know, Freighters cannot do anything that adds stuff to their cargo out in space but scoop giant freight containers that are left behind when another is ganked. They cannot even jettison cargo, which is why you won't see one used to scoop ore in a mining op.
NPC do not pod, they destroy ships and loose interest in the pod pilots. CONCORD at most will; warp in, destroy the offender, hang out shooting the breeze, and cause massive lag spikes when they number in the hundreds on a gate. If you saw anyone outside in a ship that was part of a gank, it was probably after 15 minutes while the GCT was counting down.
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.02.10 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rodarine ....I can only assume what I initially assumed, that he got past the 60 second timer (although I think he docked before that) or he miraculously got podded, docked, reshipped, indocked, and redocked within 30 seconds.
At the risk of feeding a troll - you do know what "getting podded" means right? I mean, run that through again, and tell me how that works.
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 22:58:00 -
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Well something definitely went wrong. I looked at the Battleclinic kills today and that guy has 2, niether of which is me. But there also are only 2 kills in Balle today so that is wrong also. So something is fishy. Or Battle clinic doesnt register every kill.
Because I got killed by the guy with supposedly the only 2 kills in Balle and it isnt showing. I got insurance mail, kill rights, and a loss statement. But he didnt die, and it doesnt even show him killing me. So a glitch happened somewhere somehow.
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Millie Clode
Amarr Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.02.10 23:32:00 -
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Not that I would ever try such a thing, but if you were to get in a fast ship and spend 15 minutes bouncing celestials while your GCC runs out (i assume it's possible if you are quick enough), do the gates/stations unlock when your timer runs down? Or are you only clear once CONCORD have blown you up? ---------- Sig Page 1 Snipah YOU CANT MINE SO YOU KILL |
Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.10 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rodarine Well something definitely went wrong. I looked at the Battleclinic kills today and that guy has 2, niether of which is me. But there also are only 2 kills in Balle today so that is wrong also. So something is fishy. Or Battle clinic doesnt register every kill.
Because I got killed by the guy with supposedly the only 2 kills in Balle and it isnt showing. I got insurance mail, kill rights, and a loss statement. But he didnt die, and it doesnt even show him killing me. So a glitch happened somewhere somehow.
Battleclinic and every killboard relies on API pulls, so it won't show unless they're actually posted or the person who ganked/got ganked registered their API on battleclinic, or posted the killmail on something like eve-kill. Also, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.02.10 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown
Originally by: Rodarine Well something definitely went wrong. I looked at the Battleclinic kills today and that guy has 2, niether of which is me. But there also are only 2 kills in Balle today so that is wrong also. So something is fishy. Or Battle clinic doesnt register every kill.
Because I got killed by the guy with supposedly the only 2 kills in Balle and it isnt showing. I got insurance mail, kill rights, and a loss statement. But he didnt die, and it doesnt even show him killing me. So a glitch happened somewhere somehow.
Battleclinic and every killboard relies on API pulls, so it won't show unless they're actually posted or the person who ganked/got ganked registered their API on battleclinic, or posted the killmail on something like eve-kill.
Well then maybe he only reported the ones where he got caught by Concord and didnt reports the ones where he got away. because they killed at least 5 ships the time I was running thru there before I got killed because it was an ongoing topic in local.
Like I said when I first posted this, I know what I saw, and what happened to me and what was being said in local. The fact that he only reported 2 kills and not every kill he got tells me something. Because what other reason are you ganking warp ins at a gate other than to stroke your epeen with kill mail and posting it on a kill board somewhere?
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Miney Prospector
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:07:00 -
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There is no fix because this never happened.
FRAPs or it didn't happen.
Trancehacker -- "HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I'VE BEEN PLAYIN???"
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Shaved Chubakka
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shaved Chubakka on 11/02/2010 00:11:52 never mind
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:22:00 -
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In the event that this is not a troll:
CONCORD provides consequences to crimes, not protection from crimes.
As people have mentioned, you are supposed to be unable to escape CONCORD. Period. Even if you warp out or somehow escape from CONCORD, they are supposed to be able to follow you. They will also prevent you from docking or using a stargate while they are chasing you, and even prevent black ops from jumping/bridging.
If you somehow manage to survive CONCORD after getting a GCC in high sec, it is DEFINED as an exploit by CCP. If you are telling the truth and somehow this guy managed to dock at a station before CONCORD blew him up - petition it.
All that being said, you are full of crap - this didn't happen. Proof or STFU. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Vorn
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.02.11 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Vorn on 11/02/2010 06:51:53 it is possible to escape Concord with a far enough warp distance and be able to warp, land, and dock up. However this is considered to be an exploit, since the rules are if you suicide you lose your ship. (hence the term suicide?)
Sauce: Did it, got in trouble, lost my pretty ship
I was told my signature was too inappropriate, isn't this game rated T or something?
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rodarine So that tells me he was aligned, one shotted me (I got the email confirm before I was even fully loaded in the system and obviously still supposed to be cloacked). And took off. Because it all happened in about 3 seconds. I even said WTF was that in local. Beause I thought it was smart bomb or something.
Originally by: Rodarine I just know I warped in, was dead
Get your story straight. Good trolls stick with the same story, bad trolls feck it up and tell if differenly each time.
Originally by: salva dore Cloak should not be AFK solution. What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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