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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:32:00 -
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Ok so, a Jump Freighter is said to be in the item database:
"Capital cargo ships with jump drive capabilities, bringing trade and commerce to distant stars."
Right. But a Jump Freighter does not require the skill Capital Ships to fly. Because of this discrepancy, is a JF a capship or no?
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:46:00 -
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Does it matter?
I'd say it's not a capital, because it doesn't need the Capital Ships skill.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:47:00 -
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just to throw it out there: it does require capital parts to build _____________________________________________
-Sketch, Certified Pharmacist
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:55:00 -
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In related news:
Advanced Space Command increases the agility of an Orca. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.02.16 07:44:00 -
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Can capital ships move to high sec ? No. Can an Orca move to high sec ? Yes. Thus, an Orca is not a Capital Ship, just like a Battlecruiser isn't a cruiser. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
True amarr tank shields! |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.02.16 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vaal Erit on 16/02/2010 07:59:46 *groan* This causes the most pointless arguments in the help channel, so lame. You are all lame for arguing either way, it's lame. L A M E.
Edt: Oops, forgot my "Cool story, Siigari"
Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Slade Hoo
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.02.16 08:01:00 -
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If CCP says its a cap ship, then it is a cap ship regardless of skill requirements ------ I'm just a lonely pirate on my way to ascension |
Alakazam
GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.02.16 08:41:00 -
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I wish it was a cap ship, just for the capital skill agility bonus. But since it doesn't require the capital skill it is not a capital ship. I think they should update their item database and change the capital cargo ships description with freighter cargo ships or something equivalent. It's freighter class, not capital.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari LOCALSPIKE LLC.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 09:54:00 -
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I think it's reasonable to say that Freighters are their own class of ship.
Case closed. _____________ Hai. |
oh ate
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Posted - 2010.02.16 10:04:00 -
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Respond to your text messages!
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Thuranni
Eldjotnar
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Posted - 2010.02.16 10:29:00 -
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Does it matter?
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Kaahles
Kentucky Fried Capitals
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Posted - 2010.02.16 10:42:00 -
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IMHO. If the construction of a ship requires "Capital Components" than it's a capital ship. So JF, Orca and normal freighters are capital ships. It's as easy as that. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
zombiedeadhead
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.02.16 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaahles IMHO. If the construction of a ship requires "Capital Components" than it's a capital ship. So JF, Orca and normal freighters are capital ships. It's as easy as that.
Sausages are made from pig components, but is a sausage a pig?
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Samantha U
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Posted - 2010.02.16 10:51:00 -
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God is a sausage
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Rex Cable
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Posted - 2010.02.16 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: oh ate Respond to your text messages!
Get a Room
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kaahles IMHO. If the construction of a ship requires "Capital Components" than it's a capital ship. So JF, Orca and normal freighters are capital ships. It's as easy as that.
By your logic, an Executioner and an Orca both require tritanium to be build , thus they are both mining barges. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
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Kaahles
Kentucky Fried Capitals
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead Sausages are made from pig components, but is a sausage a pig?
sausages are "processed pigs"
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina By your logic, an Executioner and an Orca both require tritanium to be build , thus they are both mining barges.
Not exactly although you can mine with an Executioner, which is stupid btw.
Minerals are basic components which are required anywhere at some time in the production of any ship/item. In addition to them you got three specific components which are required for specific ships.
Capital Components: Capital Ships T2 Components: T2 Ships Hybrid Components: T3 Ships
Or why else would a freighter as an example require capital components if it is not classified as an capital ship? But in the end it's the same pointless discussion like it took place about "moms" vs. "super carrier", what the heck is the better name.
----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
RootEmerger
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:28:00 -
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A capital ship is, by definition, a military warship. Freighters are civilian ships so they cant be capital ship - in rl there are oil rigs and cargo container ships nearly twice as big as the biggest carrier and nobody call them capital ships as they arent warships. Freighter could be called capital-sized ships when comparing their size to other ships but not capital ships.
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:36:00 -
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Don't suppose the fact they call the Orca aCapital Industrial ship matters at all? And according to the description of freighters, they are capital sized ships.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 16/02/2010 11:43:51
Originally by: Kaahles Or why else would a freighter as an example require capital components if it is not classified as an capital ship?
Because it needs to be so big to do its job that standard components won't do the job. That's also the only thing these larger haulers have in common with the cap ships – size. They lack the power plants, the electronics, the shields, the armour, the fitting capabilities, and just about everything that sets capships apart from other ships… except size.
Originally by: Virgil Travis Don't suppose the fact they call the Orca aCapital Industrial ship matters at all? And according to the description of freighters, they are capital sized ships.
It works for the Rorq, which actually fits the description. The Orca is just misplaced in the hierarchy since it's actually an Industrial Command Ship – it doesn't even require Advanced Space Command.
Originally by: Jowen Datloran In related news:
Advanced Space Command increases the agility of an Orca.
You should probably bug report that then. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Ephrail Stern
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:51:00 -
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I beleive that the Orca, Freighters and Jump-Freighters are all considered Sub-Capitals because they don't require the capital ship skill, but do require capital ship parts.
That should answer your question
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.02.16 12:06:00 -
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They're all capitals without the no high-sec restriction. But sure let's argue about it all day
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:05:00 -
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So all this starts when someone posts a description that doesn't even call it a Capital Ship.
Awesome.
Capital Ship Capital Cargo Ship Capital Industrial Ship
Do we really need to debate these things?
Originally by: GM Horse I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: RootEmerger A capital ship is, by definition, a military warship. Freighters are civilian ships so they cant be capital ship - in rl there are oil rigs and cargo container ships nearly twice as big as the biggest carrier and nobody call them capital ships as they arent warships. Freighter could be called capital-sized ships when comparing their size to other ships but not capital ships.
Good gravy, he's right:
Quote: The capital ships of a navy are its most important warships; the ones with the heaviest firepower and armor. A capital ship is generally a leading or a primary ship in a fleet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ship
I think we can put this one to rest. If it doesn't have some kind of heavy offensive platform attached to it, then it isn't a Capital Ship. It's just freaking big.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:11:00 -
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Before you can argue whether or not a ship is a capital ship, you must first rigorously define what a capital ship even is.
If you define a capital ship as a ship which can not use a stargate, then the following ships are capitals: Dreads, carriers, moms, titans, rorqs
If you define a capital ship as a ship which can use a jump drive, then the following ships are capitals: Dreads, carriers, moms, titans, jump freighters, rorqs, black ops
If you define a capital ship as a ship which requires capital components to build, then the following ships are capitals: Dreads, carriers, moms, titans, jump freighters, rorqs, orcas, freighters
You get the picture. As far as the game code is concerned, there probably isn't anything special about capital ships at all - you just have ships with different capabilities and ships with different build costs. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:17:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Moved from General Discussion.
How about settling the debate instead of moving the thread? Look at me, im using the INTERNETS! |
Galius Zed
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: CCP Navigator Moved from General Discussion.
How about settling the debate instead of moving the thread?
o_O
Originally by: zombiedeadhead
Originally by: Kaahles IMHO. If the construction of a ship requires "Capital Components" than it's a capital ship. So JF, Orca and normal freighters are capital ships. It's as easy as that.
Sausages are made from pig components, but is a sausage a pig?
Yes. And IMO, a better looking one at that.
Originally by: Wet Ferret They're all capitals without the no high-sec restriction. But sure let's argue about it all day
Capitals don't have hi-sec restrictions per say (e.g. Veldnaught), you just can't light a cyno in .5 and above.
Originally by: Ephrail Stern I beleive that the Orca, Freighters and Jump-Freighters are all considered Sub-Capitals because they don't require the capital ship skill, but do require capital ship parts.
That should answer your question
The true answer.
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AgentFruitfly
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Posted - 2010.02.16 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kaahles IMHO. If the construction of a ship requires "Capital Components" than it's a capital ship. So JF, Orca and normal freighters are capital ships. It's as easy as that.
So by your illogic, black ops battleships are also capital ships.
Genius.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.16 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 16/02/2010 19:37:23 Freighters, JF, and the Orca are capital ships. They are built 100% from capital blueprints and in the orcas case is LISTED as a capital ship. Black-ops battleships only have 3 capital ship jump drives crammed into them, so they don't qualify.
If an airplane does not require a pilots license to fly, is it not an airplane?
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