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Aka5ha
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:13:00 -
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So I lost 7 ships today, but usually get 7-8 kills maybe 2 losses. I noticed corps get all sensitive about there KB's and the stats they reflect... Do any of you realize getting on 30 killmails as a inty pilot with 10-15 other involved parties means pretty much absolutely nothing. And when the majority of pvpers have 30-50 mil sp why do they expect the same results from a pilot with 10mil sp in pvp?
I noticed this especially with europeans. You guys get so proud from baiting ships and blobbing them with no risk pvp. Wheres the fun? Im really debating on quitting my corp just so I dont have to hear the "oh look at the stats now" routine. I pvp for fun, when your solo the risk of things going wrong increases dramatically.
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Bud Johnson
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aka5ha So I lost 7 ships today, but usually get 7-8 kills maybe 2 losses. I noticed corps get all sensitive about there KB's and the stats they reflect... Do any of you realize getting on 30 killmails as a inty pilot with 10-15 other involved parties means pretty much absolutely nothing. And when the majority of pvpers have 30-50 mil sp why do they expect the same results from a pilot with 10mil sp in pvp?
I noticed this especially with europeans. You guys get so proud from baiting ships and blobbing them with no risk pvp. Wheres the fun? Im really debating on quitting my corp just so I dont have to hear the "oh look at the stats now" routine. I pvp for fun, when your solo the risk of things going wrong increases dramatically.
I seriously doubt that the average pvper has anywhere near 50 mil sp.
If you cant handle a few jibes about losses then join a corp that doesn't care about kb stats.
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:30:00 -
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Don't care much about stats dude. We all know that it's easy to lose ships. Those with the best stats are usually the cowards, who run away before the fight is over, if things don't go well. Or blobbers, that only attack if the odds are 1:3 in their favour. If you don't play this way, you'll get killed a lot, but that's nothing you should be ashamed of.
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Super Chair
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:37:00 -
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You should play mostly for fun. Obviously dieing horribly without making stuff go boom isn't fun, but if you grow a pair and don't just go for easy kills you'll have more fun with the game. If your corp is ripping on you for your stats, it's likely time to find a corp that isn't full of scoreboard jockeys.
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Aka5ha
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.15 01:36:00 -
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thanx, I really started to believe that every corp is like this. I would hate to not pvp until a fleet formed, knowing thats only 1-3 times a week. I still have the feeling Ill be looking for a new corp tomorrow. Besides, I got hot dropped by 40 people today in my BS. Was so much as fun as I only lost 10 mil after insurance.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 08:21:00 -
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Talk about "Eff" makes me cringe. Sure, mine is not as good as it could be and some of the losses I do are ******ed but mostly it's just me trying to get the shakes going and engaging stuff that I probably shouldn't... Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't but having fun is the most important bit IMHO.
Many of the players and corps with very high eff and emphasis on it are *very* risk averse and/or blobby , and don't provide much fun - I would get bored fast having to play by those rules. (Granted some individuals with high eff are just *Really* good and still take a fair bit of risks in their flying :P )
Of course winning is fun too but nothing wrong with a valiant defeat! (Though always smarter to do the suicidal stuff in insurable T1 boats) :P ____________________________________________________________
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Othran
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.02.15 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 15/02/2010 10:01:27 "I noticed corps get all sensitive about there KB's and the stats they reflect"
This is usually because the alliance the corp is in/wants to join kicks corps with "low" efficiency - the one I was in kicks corps that drop under 95%.
This leads to blobbing, boredom and mandatory fits.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.15 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
This is usually because the alliance the corp is in/wants to join kicks corps with "low" efficiency - the one I was in kicks corps that drop under 95%.
Wow and I thought I was a killboard *****. >95% efficiency for a corp as a whole is crazy strict though, unless you only have less than 10 people in corp
Originally by: salva dore Cloak should not be AFK solution. What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.02.15 11:04:00 -
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Well... there's a fine line between "not being risk averse" and "pants-on-head-******ed". I will say that as a disclaimer.
But yeah. If you play it too safe you never get any real fights.
You might get to blob stuff but as you say, that isn't the same as a fight.
Plenty of corps don't take the "efficiency is everything" attitude.
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zama118
FACTS on EVE Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 11:18:00 -
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I Post my losses with pride Proves i was there i lost my ship in that fight then i back it up with the 30+ kills i got in that ship before it went pop (or sometimes it dies of its 1st run but you always get unlucky)
in fact its requerd to post my losses by both my corp and alliance
PvP is not a game of Win win win win. your going to lose ships if you fight the people who PvP. if you gank and fight people who are not huge on PvP your always going to win and that well is just cowards way. i always annoyed when i look at some alliance killboards and see that they dont have the losses posted i know they do have (some even go as far as removeing losses) its shameful and i belive alliances sould do it the other way round and ban they people who dont post there losses -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- F.A.C.T.S. Director VVA Director Want to join a small freindly corp contact me ingame |
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Smabs
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Posted - 2010.02.15 11:32:00 -
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Yeah, I don't get how efficiency really is a measurement of much. The players with those 97% ratings all seem to have about 40 people on every single killmail. So yeah, it's basically meaningless.
The ranking system is a bit of a better measure in my opinion, though it's still flawed in a lot of ways (you get more points using factions ships to get kills for instance). But if I see a pilot ranked better than say 3000 it's a safe bet that they're pretty good.
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Ackwell
Tiera Javelin Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 12:44:00 -
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For me and my corp the KB is just to archive our combat activity and activity of individual members. I want to see activity in fights rather than high efficiency. Of course it is nice to see high efficiency but it is same to me at the end of the day. And it doesnSt matter how much SP you have. I have been around for 5 years and still favor cheap frigate and cruiser hulls. (Which also keeps the losses low usually) ;)
It is as glorious to die for the State and the Empire then it is to kill for them.
Ackwell Javelin Commander Tiera Javelin Ltd. Caldari Honor! Amarr Victor!
Ackwell CO, Tiera Javelin Ltd. Caldari Honor! Amarr Victor!
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Demolishar
Uncle BoB on Crack
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Posted - 2010.02.15 12:50:00 -
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I have just over 98% efficiency. Therefore losing a ship will have a huge and terrible impact, but killing a ship will have an almost negligible impact. So I see little point in taking any risks, and only engage in situations where I am 100% certain of victory.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Demolishar I have just over 98% efficiency. Therefore losing a ship will have a huge and terrible impact, but killing a ship will have an almost negligible impact. So I see little point in taking any risks, and only engage in situations where I am 100% certain of victory.
Good job!
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Sha4d13
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:48:00 -
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Its not unusual for a decent corp to be sensitive about KB. Their reputation depends on it- and their reputation is what gets them fights, allies, trust of others, and fear where needed.
The issue is not about taking losses- but embarrassing losses. If I see a corp member getting ganked stupidly, repeatedly, then Im going to be tempted to kick him
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Demolishar
Uncle BoB on Crack
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sha4d13
The issue is not about taking losses- but embarrassing losses.
Losses are by definition embarrasing...
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/02/2010 14:38:06
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Many of the players and corps with very high eff and emphasis on it are *very* risk averse and/or blobby
I personally run [78.55, 93,5, 95.0] efficiencies overall. I will freely admit that I get as much intel as is reasonably possible before engaging - I suppose that makes me risk averse - but I tend to think of it as ensuring I don't engage when I have 0% chance of winning in my 5 man gang vs their 120 man gang. /shrug
-Liang
Ed: Note I engaged a solo Armageddon in LXQ and local immediately spiked by ~30 people. My corpmate was tackled and already in deep armor - the Geddon was barely at half armor. I jetted. Cowardly? Risk Averse? Maybe, but I don't see any point in throwing good ISK after bad. Neither did my corpmate. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Sha4d13
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Sha4d13
The issue is not about taking losses- but embarrassing losses.
Losses are by definition embarrasing...
Fail comment is fail.
And noob poster is noob.
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Smabs
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Smabs on 15/02/2010 14:42:32
Quote: Losses are by definition embarrasing...
When someone roams past and checks out your KB they aren't impressed by the 98% efficiency or the heaps of ganked miners, those 7 unfitted typhoon kills and and your t1 meta 0 fits. They just think that you'll either call in ten friends, will dock or aren't worth killing anyway because your mods are worthless.
Losses happen if you actually take a risk, no matter how good you are at the game. I can understand trying to limit the losses a bit but I swear some people in this game border on insane.
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Demolishar
Uncle BoB on Crack
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Smabs
When someone roams past and checks out your KB they aren't impressed by the 98% efficiency or the heaps of ganked miners, those 7 unfitted typhoon kills and and your t1 meta 0 fits. They just think that you'll either call in ten friends, will dock or aren't worth killing anyway because your mods are worthless.
I don't lose my meta 5+ fitted ships ... and as to the "heaps of ganked miners", and "unfitted typhoon kills", all I can say is: they were targets of opportunity. Good fights are rare and I take what I get in the mean time.
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Koyo Zerin
Gallente Thukk U
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Posted - 2010.02.15 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Koyo Zerin on 15/02/2010 15:25:21
Originally by: Demolishar I have just over 98% efficiency. Therefore losing a ship will have a huge and terrible impact, but killing a ship will have an almost negligible impact. So I see little point in taking any risks, and only engage in situations where I am 100% certain of victory.
Originally by: Demolishar Good fights are rare
Methinks these two things might be related.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 15/02/2010 15:37:10 It all depends, if you are a good pvper and lose ships because you take on difficult/close to impossible odds then there's no problem. If you are an idiot who refuses to learn basic knowledge, has no understanding of strategy and just goes in headfirst making up for stupidity with sheer volume of ships then that can be an issue.
It can also cause trouble if you're in a war and the corp's accepted strategy is to keep low as possible, not giving the hostiles any fight/fun/kills in hopes they get bored and bugger off. If in that situation you go out anyway you're a ****ing idiot who doesn't care about his corpmates.
So, there's no one answer that always applies.
Originally by: Liang Nuren I personally run [78.55, 93,5, 95.0] efficiencies overall. I will freely admit that I get as much intel as is reasonably possible before engaging - I suppose that makes me risk averse - but I tend to think of it as ensuring I don't engage when I have 0% chance of winning in my 5 man gang vs their 120 man gang. /shrug
It's not risk averse, just like me you're in the business of eliminating variables
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Krikx
Forgotten Gods Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.02.15 17:04:00 -
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I think some of depends on what you are trying to accomplish at the moment.
If you are trying to win a war of attrition against an enemy Alliance, then absolutely losing ships is a bad idea. It's counter productive to fight a war that way and lose as much as they do unless you have access to much largers amounts os isk.
If you are a merc corp then KB's stats are going to help you get contracts. Good references will help more but it could potentially come down to 2 equally strong merc corps and the other gets the contract because their KB looks better. A lot of people don't want to hire a merc corp taht looks like they lose way more then they gain.
If you corp is just a bunch or carebears that like to PvP from time to time for fun. Then KB stats should really mean a damn.
Ultimately know what your corp is trying to accomplish and join one that fits you. If your favorite past time is getting a cruiser gang together and doing a suicide roam into deep null sec then a corp that cares heavily about KB loses isn't for you. You couldn't join a pirate corp if you are a Anti-Pirate so why would you join one that cares heavily about KB if you don't.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 17:28:00 -
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Just try to get on a Titan killmail as a noob, and your efficiency will be secure for months.
Yes, seriously, quit the corp if they are giving you too much hassle.
Honestly though, most corps are sensitive about KB stats. Efficiency (loser!), odd fittings (noob!), using WCS (coward!), all kinds of things can get people in corp agitated.
Efficiency and kill-loss ratios as shown by most KB's indeed promote blobbing and generally unfun fights. It is a sad truth of EVE. ____
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.02.15 18:51:00 -
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I'd be more worried about a corpie with a lack of real interest in PVP or an unwillingness to bring decent ships out when the rest of the gang is, both of which should in theory improve their KB efficiency.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.02.15 21:11:00 -
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screw killboard stats, taking risks are how you get those OMFGTHATWASAWSOME fights. And is what defines someone who take risks and actually fights from those who only fight when they know for sure they'll win.. personally i find the im sure i will win fights boring and i often let said targets go -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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WhiteGhostBear
Furs of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.02.15 21:24:00 -
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Really good KB stats don't mean that you're having fun or that you are good at PvP. I could have amazing stats if I sat at a gate with 100 other people all day.
If your corporation has enslaved themselves to their killboard efficiency, and you're not having fun in that situation, then find a new home. There's plenty of corporations out there that are into PvP work and don't really care all that much if you lose a lot of ships.
Personally, I will occasionally get a lolfit and go on a suicide run just for the hell of it because - gasp - it is fun. Shield Tanked Civvie Gun Nano Prophecy FTW.
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Miller900
Memento Mori.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteGhostBear Personally, I will occasionally get a lolfit and go on a suicide run just for the hell of it because - gasp - it is fun. Shield Tanked Civvie Gun Nano Prophecy FTW. [8)
Interesting, would you be so kind as to share this lolfit with us?
But seriously, after a few mill SP, your skill in combat counts for more. Reaction to certain things such as an unexpected web etc is much more important.
KB stats are anal. Get out there and have a good time, and if that involves dying, so be it :)
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Frozen Corpses
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Posted - 2010.02.16 07:27:00 -
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Ruban Spangler > aahhh i forgot that the KB is everything for you guys Tainted Orphen > you have <i>no</i> idea Tainted Orphen > I won't fight if there isn't a 99.9% chance that I will win
hehe, saw this in local while passing through Assah
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Tom Willson
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Posted - 2010.02.16 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Willson on 16/02/2010 12:01:31 Battleclinic is like my picture album, I look at it and go back and think: "Ack, how good fun it was when we busted that gatecamp and killed all those ships." As for statwh... Uh... Managing your killboard stats like some fancy boss would manage for his bonsai tree is fully possible but where's the fun and not to mention skill in that? I, too, could read a book about managing a bonzai tree, hell anyone could.
At any rate 0.0 blobfests with battleship snipers might give you a good kill/death ratio but you're about as savy as a newspaperboy is at clearing out a minefield using only his hands when fighting mano-a-mano in a fight where personal skill and tactics that goes beyond the point and shoot is required.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go look in my picture album and laugh a bit.
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