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Carmine Terriv
Caldari Rage of Inferno Burning Ambition
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Posted - 2010.02.15 22:01:00 -
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So the zealot makes a wonderful sniper and a respectable nano, but in both instances its tank is paper thin.
Is there a fit I'm missing for a mid dps, high tank close range Zealot? Or is it simply unrealistic with the ship design. ------------------------------------------- Simple Solutions to Complex Problems |
Cromzor
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 22:09:00 -
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I think the Navy Omen and Harbinger exceed the Zealots capabilities in this area.
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2010.02.15 22:16:00 -
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It lacks a 4th mid for solo. If you're in a gang, a setup with a plate tanks decently enough.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.02.15 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ashira Twilight It lacks a 4th mid for solo. If you're in a gang, a setup with a plate tanks decently enough.
The bigger drawback being a tech 1 frigate can kill it. _________________________________
Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.15 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
The bigger drawback being a tech 1 frigate can kill it.
Pretty much this, no drones + low tracking means no DPS against frigs. Still you can fit a respectable buffer tank built around a 1600mm plate and some EANMs. Frigs are why you have support for.
Still I prefer the Zealots speed and range advantage over the Harby's DPS advantage. /Culmen hugs his 38km optimal with focused medium pulses and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Asuka Smith
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:16:00 -
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1600mm and neutrons
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Amarrbone
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith 1600mm and neutrons
Yes, ignore all 4 of the Zealot's bonuses.
Sniper/plated DPS boat for larger targets.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.02.16 00:24:00 -
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In my opinion, if you're going to do this you may as well bring a Harb.
I mean the zeal does have great resists and all that but it's really a lightweight, agile sniper/skirmisher.
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Noisrevbus
Caldari Breams Gone Wild
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:23:00 -
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I guess the impopularity of a plated Zealot is just tied to the uncommon sight of Armor HACs in general.
The ship is not bad in the role (gang), and the gang is not necessarily a bad concept either, it's just unpopular.
The only group i can think of to have used it with good effect is Cry Havoc.
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smiity T
Amarr Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:36:00 -
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NOmen > Zealot close range.
NOmen = 5 T2 hobs/vals/ecm drones = win on smaller vessels. NOmen = RoF bonus + 5% RoF plant + rig = 300-600+ dps every second almost.
NOmen for solo work, choose your targets wisely. Stay AWAY from drakes, melts anything else sub cruiser and in gangs will MAUL BC's.
Have fun.
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AFK Cloaker
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: smiity T NOmen > Zealot close range.
NOmen = 5 T2 hobs/vals/ecm drones = win on smaller vessels. NOmen = RoF bonus + 5% RoF plant + rig = 300-600+ dps every second almost.
NOmen for solo work, choose your targets wisely. Stay AWAY from drakes, melts anything else sub cruiser and in gangs will MAUL BC's.
Have fun.
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smiity T
Amarr Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:50:00 -
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The Tzar
T-Wrecks
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Posted - 2010.02.16 12:54:00 -
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Its actually more risky in this ship to have a tank and be closer than to have no tank at all and play sniper.
Try a focused medium pulse setup with 800 plate and rep speed rigs for what ur looking for. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Carmine Terriv So the zealot makes a wonderful sniper and a respectable nano, but in both instances its tank is paper thin.
Is there a fit I'm missing for a mid dps, high tank close range Zealot? Or is it simply unrealistic with the ship design.
Use a Harbinger for this.
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Radcjk
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:17:00 -
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The Focused Medium Pulse / 1600mm plate Zealot was the standard issue Zealot for a long, long time. Then the Nano age struck, and some one realized 'Holy ****, I can go fast and put heavies on this bad boy' Around the same time Harbingers made cheaper versions of this, and better. Nano was nerfed. Some one realized it could Snipe, and do it well, and despite the nano nerf still made a decent high speed glass cannon. The Navy Omen makes an appearance in Eve.
You can FMPII / Plate a zealot, and it has worked in the past and makes a great little gang boat.... but the Zealot itself has less performance and cost effectiveness in the in your face role that the Harbinger / Navy Omen provide.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:45:00 -
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sniper-wise, the muninn seems better.
...but, in pulse configs, the ship is deadly at mid-ranges... as long as you manage to survive long enough that is. ---
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Pippan
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.16 21:15:00 -
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Only one real use for a zealot.
[Zealot, Support] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
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Zsebbe Zseton
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Posted - 2010.02.17 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pippan Only one real use for a zealot.
IMHO An Anti-EM and an Extender rig serves better, 3-4 of this + a Scimi or two + 2x dictors makes a nice camp.
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mygirl2
Caldari Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2010.02.17 14:01:00 -
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Its great how people post on the Eve Forums acting like they know what they are talking about... then spew forth ****.
The Plate/Pulse Zealot is a great ship... It out damages and tanks the Harbinger. Its just not a solo ship.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2010.02.17 16:37:00 -
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[Zealot, heavy pulse] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
been having a blast with this in wormhole / war dec as agile dps in small gangs. can swap the rigs around a little, my present fit maybe slightly different may have medium CDFE on. likewise the eccm can be switched for sensor booster.
for armour tanking close in use you can get up to 60k ehp pretty easily, but as stated elsewhere the harbinger does it better at a fraction of the cost and with more tackling options.
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monkeys elbow
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Posted - 2010.02.17 16:50:00 -
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[Zealot, plated] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
This is a ok fit, does nice ish dps and has a decent buffer, but imo the harb does a better job. i love the zealot but mostly just use a sniper fit.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: mygirl2 Its great how people post on the Eve Forums acting like they know what they are talking about... then spew forth ****.
The Plate/Pulse Zealot is a great ship... It out damages and tanks the Harbinger. Its just not a solo ship.
Outdamages a 3-heatsink/5 hammerhead II harbinger?
Post fit plx
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2010.02.17 18:07:00 -
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Zealot is a lovely ship for empire wars, zip in, pop stuff real fast with great range and zip out. Pulse Zealot is very nice to use if you signature tank.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.17 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: mygirl2 Its great how people post on the Eve Forums acting like they know what they are talking about... then spew forth ****.
The Plate/Pulse Zealot is a great ship... It out damages and tanks the Harbinger. Its just not a solo ship.
Outdamages a 3-heatsink/5 hammerhead II harbinger?
Post fit plx
I tried giving the harbinger medium pulse 2's, but it was still hard :( OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
mygirl2
Caldari Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2010.02.17 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: mygirl2 Its great how people post on the Eve Forums acting like they know what they are talking about... then spew forth ****.
The Plate/Pulse Zealot is a great ship... It out damages and tanks the Harbinger. Its just not a solo ship.
Outdamages a 3-heatsink/5 hammerhead II harbinger?
Post fit plx
I tried giving the harbinger medium pulse 2's, but it was still hard :(
Im not talking EFT here... Anyone with half a brain knows that EFT just gives numbers, not what you will deal with on the battlefield.
The zealot will lock faster = Higher DPS The Zealot will hit farther = Highter DPS The Harbingers Drones will only reach target in very small gang combat... or shooting a serious tank = Lower DPS
This is taking in many factors that EFT doesnt... Even some I havent counted.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife Discord.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mahke on 17/02/2010 21:11:48
Originally by: mygirl2
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: mygirl2 Its great how people post on the Eve Forums acting like they know what they are talking about... then spew forth ****.
The Plate/Pulse Zealot is a great ship... It out damages and tanks the Harbinger. Its just not a solo ship.
Outdamages a 3-heatsink/5 hammerhead II harbinger?
Post fit plx
I tried giving the harbinger medium pulse 2's, but it was still hard :(
Im not talking EFT here... Anyone with half a brain knows that EFT just gives numbers, not what you will deal with on the battlefield.
The zealot will lock faster = Higher DPS The Zealot will hit farther = Highter DPS The Harbingers Drones will only reach target in very small gang combat... or shooting a serious tank = Lower DPS
This is taking in many factors that EFT doesnt... Even some I havent counted.
I agree with you that the zealot is the better ship for this (and about any) purpose.
However, the quality difference is relatively small and the cost difference pretty huge (after insurance cost of harbinger loss is 4-5 times less than zealot depending on how you fit it). Add to that the frequency with which cruiser/BC sized pulse ships die and its not worth it.
edit: fixed for color
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mygirl2
Caldari Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2010.02.17 21:27:00 -
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I wont disagree with that... The cost sucks, but in my time flying a zealot, I have had them last for months... In fact I still have 2 that were bought in October, and flown constantly till about 2-3 weeks ago. One is sniper fit, the other is Pulse/Plate/Trimark fit.
The Pulse fit has way more kills then the other one. I have even done pirating with it, and I dont fit reppers on it. They can tank the guns for a bit, but obviously dont hang around.
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Aralieus
Amarr Rising Devils Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.17 21:33:00 -
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I have never really heard of a Zeal being used for solo work, maybe in pve, but pvp is a different stories. TBH your better off in a Navy Omen, which imo is better looking anyway.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.02.17 23:08:00 -
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Only high tank zealot fit is zealot with guardians repping it - armor hac gangs. If you want tank, get a harbi. Its just so much more efficient...
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mygirl2
Caldari Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2010.02.18 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: mygirl2 on 18/02/2010 04:15:54 [Zealot, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
55k EHP 510 DPS Can lock a frig in 3 sec 1330 m/s
[Harbinger, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
65k EHP... Yep better then the zealot 678 dps... yep better then the zealot Can lock a frig in 5 sec ... 896 m/s ...
Ok, take a look and then think about it a bit. Without the drones the dps on both ships is the SAME. With the extra speed, the tank on both ships is the SAME.
The Harb takes more damage due to size. The Zealot has a chance to dictate range against a BS. The Harb has to wait on drones to get extra damage. The Zealot will have more time firing due to range and lock time.
enough Said
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