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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 00:23:00 -
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Tiered of coutless posts about "Why my black ops arnt like Chuck Norris?", i would like to offer some more realistic ideas about boosting Black Ops roles.
Yes they have less DPS then T1 BSs, as they should, they have less tanking capability, and so on. So no, they do not need more weapon slots, they do not need higher bonuses for DPS, they do not need higher T2 resistances or tanking bonuses. They do not need covert ops cloak (stealth aproach with mwd + cloak for now is unique, since even bombers lost it), well... none of bonuses of black opses should be changed, they are fine as they are now. Not perfect may be, but fine. If you are so stupid to bring black ops on lame role of gate camper (for example), and then lost it - you earn that lost.
So what changes need to be done then? Well, changes should be done not to black opses themself.
First of all, i do remeber very well that CCP mentioned here on forum that they don't mind to make strategic cruisers with 'covert ops reconfiguration' subsystem able to fit covert cyno. They even had that ability listed, but it didnt actualy worked. And SCs realy lack of that ability. So if you (CCP) realy dont mind to give them back that ability and make it actualy working - plz do.
Second. In highsecs you cant engage cyno field, and that is quiet understandable. I remeber time then CCP brought in black opses, but covert cynos wasnt been allowed in 0.0 systems with cyno jammer as well. They've fix that latter. Well i think its a time to allow cover cynos in highsecs as well. No disbalancing realy, you still cant bring cap ships, and very few ships able to travel via covert portal. Yes i know, some ppl will use them to portal blockade runner (especialy on hard route jita-hek), but thats not a bad idea after all, it is a blocked runners after all, they are very hard to catch even without portals, and after all portals wont make them 100% uncatchable. As for anything else, i wont mentioned what great ideas and oportunites can be achieved. Those who are realy love black opses will find how to use that feature on their own pretty soon. Those who wont be able to figure it out... should try some other ships.... drake may be? :)
And last. Allow cover cyno in... dead space. Yes, i know what does that mean, i know how much whine will come after first... practical using of covert cyno in DS. And since i am myself belong to... ehm, cast of players who can encounter of... consequences after using cover cyno in DS by other players. Well, I feel disgustingly even by thinking of such thing, not mentioning offering that idea on forums. But still wish to see that change :)
Well and having summed up: Make SCs with covert subsystems able to fit covert cyno. Allow covert cyno in highsec space. Allow covert cyno in deadspace.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.16 00:52:00 -
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no to the cyno in highsec.
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liNk insane
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:13:00 -
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Yes for all:) It will be funny:P
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever no to the cyno in highsec.
Why not? How does this will... abuse gameplay? My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:42:00 -
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hot dropping should remain something for lowsec/0.0
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Wyrm
Originally by: darius mclever no to the cyno in highsec.
Why not? How does this will... abuse gameplay?
Some people prefer empire wars because they don't need to fear random hot drops, that totally unbalance all strategy and scouting.
Also, do you really want to see 10 cynos outside Jita station, with people dropping in and out all the time?
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever hot dropping should remain something for lowsec/0.0
Hot droping of black opses (and ships that able to use covert portal) not the same as capship hot droping.
Black opses not cheap (less cheap then capital ships (not supercapital), since insurance wont pay you much), they are less capable for open battle even then T1 BSs, and after all, even hot droping can be counter-measured. While losing gang of black opses will be real pain in the ass for attackers.
Even ganking are allowed in highsecs, so why not hot drop of BOs? Will be something new and intresting in highsec of-wars (and not only). My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:14:00 -
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hot dropping a bunch of stealth bombers on a wartarget will be devastating enough. we should leave that to lowsec/0.0. really.
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Some people prefer empire wars because they don't need to fear random hot drops, that totally unbalance all strategy and scouting.
Also, do you really want to see 10 cynos outside Jita station, with people dropping in and out all the time?
As i said already, BOs are not cheap ship, with which you can easily pick another BO after losing first one. You have to pay not a small summ of money to have an oportunity of hot droping in highsecs. Also, i dont think BO will bring unbalancing in combat. It isnt even a T1-tier1-BS equal.
As for Jita. Well, may be making Jita exlusive systems there covert cynos are not allowed (this list can be expanded to Amarr, Oursulaert, Dodixie, Rens, Hek). And/or, prohibiting cover cynos closer then... well, lets say 50km from stations, only in highsecs (means you can as usual put covert cyno anythere you want in low/0.0/WH). My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Abyss Wyrm on 16/02/2010 02:27:58
Originally by: darius mclever hot dropping a bunch of stealth bombers on a wartarget will be devastating enough. we should leave that to lowsec/0.0. really.
And why wars should be... safe :) War is war. Best you can do durring it (if you won't actualy to participate in it) is to go to lowsec, 0.0, or even better WH-space for a while (not mentioning simply leaving the corp for short period). Otherwise you will be in dire threat no matter of presence of such hot droping, or absence of it. My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.16 02:47:00 -
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so current empire wars are mainly station camping with RR alt friends. on top of that we add neutral covop alt hot dropping.
yes a very welcome change to the game.
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EdvensoR
Preeternal Spark SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.02.16 11:35:00 -
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my support!
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.02.16 12:22:00 -
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Another BO proposal
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SliM ru
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Posted - 2010.02.16 14:55:00 -
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Quote: Well and having summed up: Make SCs with covert subsystems able to fit covert cyno. Allow covert cyno in highsec space. Allow covert cyno in deadspace.
+1
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Ugly Gorinich
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Posted - 2010.02.17 21:06:00 -
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Xtover
Suicide Kings
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Posted - 2010.02.17 22:30:00 -
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If you give T3 the option to use Covert ops cloak and a Cov cyno, that pretty much makes BOBS even more worthless.
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover If you give T3 the option to use Covert ops cloak and a Cov cyno, that pretty much makes BOBS even more worthless.
I have to suprise you, T3 can use cov-ops cloaks, they just lack of role of covert-cyno-ships. And just how letting them using cover cyno will make BOs more worthless? o_O My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:34:00 -
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Only 2 things need to be done.
1: Give it covert ops cloak. 2: Give it longer jump range.
Otherwise its foolish.
give it a reason to be useful in-spite of its shortcoming DPS. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.03.09 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Only 2 things need to be done.
1: Give it covert ops cloak.
I actualy like current feature of BOs extra speed in cloak. As i said before they are the only ships in game now who have that feature since SBs lost it. Yeah, they cant warp cloaked, but even then they are very good with t2 (or even better faction) cloak. So unless CCP will make BOs run faster even in cov-ops cloak, i am againt that fix.
Quote: 2: Give it longer jump range.
They are not an logistic ships like carrier or JF, so why they need longer jump range? Sound logical to me that BSs size ship can jump only short distances, bless thier creators they are able to jump at all :) My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Wyrm
Originally by: Drake Draconis Only 2 things need to be done.
1: Give it covert ops cloak.
I actualy like current feature of BOs extra speed in cloak. As i said before they are the only ships in game now who have that feature since SBs lost it. Yeah, they cant warp cloaked, but even then they are very good with t2 (or even better faction) cloak. So unless CCP will make BOs run faster even in cov-ops cloak, i am againt that fix.
Quote: 2: Give it longer jump range.
They are not an logistic ships like carrier or JF, so why they need longer jump range? Sound logical to me that BSs size ship can jump only short distances, bless thier creators they are able to jump at all :)
For someone who likes black ops... you obviously don't know much about how they are employed.
1: Black Ops ships are used as a jump bridge tool for any ship using covert ops cloaks... the whole point of black ops ships is to covert ops to strike fast and stealthy so.
If a black ops ship can't warp while cloaked... its a very expensive wandering target and not likely going to be used in ambushes without decent backup or an exit...and only as a fancy covert ops bridge. It never made sense to me to call it black ops when it can't even warp while cloaked yet it enables said ships with said ability to go vast distances.
2: Longer jump range is for only JF and logistics? Are you for real? What the hell did you think I was getting at? If you had bothered to research you'd see that the Black Ops has the most horid jump ranges for max range.... its dreadfully short and only allows at best short range strikes. It has nothing to do with cargo carrying.... battleships have crap for cargo space as it is... at best a fancy BPO carrier and even then that's just stupid.
Now if your going to argue why or why not... try to think before you post.
Covert Ops I can get why people may not like it much... but that's just me.
But EVERYONE agrees that the Jump Range is limited.... why you don't doesn't make sense. And the DPS doesn't make sense for its role... but the covert jump bridge makes up for it.
Yet this is about how unloved they are... sadly a-lot of us think they are great potentials for hit and run strikes... but a very bloody expensive one at that!
Lets make it worth while. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.03.09 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
For someone who likes black ops... you obviously don't know much about how they are employed.
1: Black Ops ships are used as a jump bridge tool for any ship using covert ops cloaks... the whole point of black ops ships is to covert ops to strike fast and stealthy so.
If a black ops ship can't warp while cloaked... its a very expensive wandering target and not likely going to be used in ambushes without decent backup or an exit...
I warped alot in BO in lowsec space before, never lost it to gate camp or something. If you cant keep your BO safe (reletevly) without cov-ops cloak, it doesnt mean it cant be safe at all...
Quote: 2: Longer jump range is for only JF and logistics? Are you for real? What the hell did you think I was getting at? If you had bothered to research you'd see that the Black Ops has the most horid jump ranges for max range....
Dreads need longer jump range much more then BOs, they dont get it. Titans direly need a longer jump range, they dont get it.
its dreadfully short and only allows at best short range strikes. Thats what they are for, short range strikes. if you need longer distance, prepare more cover cynos on the route.
Quote: Yet this is about how unloved they are... sadly a-lot of us think they are great potentials for hit and run strikes... but a very bloody expensive one at that!
TBH i like they even as they are now. More to say i will hate to see the day then BOs will become overpopular. Could be strange to hear, but part of the BO strange is about thier unpopularity. My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
Asterisk Grat
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.11 00:46:00 -
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Black op are mostly ok as is, could use a few changes in its class though to make them more cool.
Changes I'd like to see:
1. Give them better T2 resistances 2. Give them more damage+tracking etc bonuses - remove cloaked velocity if you have to, who uses it? 3. Better targeting range and sensor resolution 3. Longer jump range? sure why not
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.03.11 03:14:00 -
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i like the jumps in highsec, Jita runs are rediculous. but maybe .8 systems and lower for them
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Souls Retailer
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Posted - 2010.03.11 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Asterisk Grat Black op are mostly ok as is, could use a few changes in its class though to make them more cool. 1. Give them better T2 resistances 2. Give them more damage+tracking etc bonuses - remove cloaked velocity if you have to, who uses it? 3. Better targeting range and sensor resolution 3. Longer jump range? sure why not
They wouldnt be a black opses then any longer.
1. Giving better t2 resistances to BOs same as giving recon ships higher resistances. Just same as recons are not HACs, BOs does not need of higher resistances. 2. Same here, would be strange if recons one day will have same DPS as HACs. So BOs with same or better DPS then T1 BSs and marauders are likely would be strange. 3. scanres though wouldt be bad for them (even though they dont have de-cloaked recalibration), though targeting range IMHO does not need any boost. 4. As for jump range i've already mentioned.
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