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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.16 07:44:00 - [1] I've always used Speer 230gr. Gold Dots in my .45, but I have been carrying my 327 Performance Center .357 mag. a bit lately and have been using some Winchester Ranger Bonded for that and I just picked up some Federal HST 147gr. for my new Kahr PM9. I've been thinking of trying some CorBon DPX for the 9mm and the .357. Anyone use that solid copper stuff? What else do people use these days? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Lt Forge Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.02.16 12:14:00 - [2] You got a gun. Feel your so-called epeen rising now?
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.16 12:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Lt Forge You got a gun. Feel your so-called epeen rising now? Marry me!
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.02.16 13:12:00 - [4] Lasers do not need ammo. Pew Pew. Need moar batteries.
Gneeznow Minmatar Ship spinners inc	Posted - 2010.02.16 13:15:00 - [5] I just carry grenades and a gladius shortsword instead because I'm more cool than the OP
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.16 13:20:00 - [6] Ill stick with my m1 grand. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 10FEB10
Slade Hoo Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.02.16 13:47:00 - [7] Guns are bad, mkay? ------ I'm just a lonely pirate on my way to ascension
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.16 14:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Marko Riva on 16/02/2010 14:01:10 This is a "tracking/optimal sucks and webs have been nerfed" whine, isn't it? ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. ADM-I is recruiting Alliance creation service
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.16 14:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Slade Hoo Guns are bad, mkay? Humans are bad, mkay? Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Neyro7830 Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.16 14:03:00 - [10] I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.16 14:43:00 - [11] An ammo crate?
Triple Entendre Emergence Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.16 14:46:00 - [12] Telekinesis is by far the superior weapon. Nothing works better than throwing people at people.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.16 15:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.02.16 15:23:00 - [14] Guns for self defense are pretty useless when it is expected that you are armed. You will be the second one to draw, you will be the second one to shoot, you will be the first one to die. Unless you also wear a bulletproof vest (and hat and pants) you are at a severe disadvantage when having to react to a armed assault. --------
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.16 15:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Thats not really nice, I dont like guns either but isnt it our duty to tolerate everyone, saying that fear dail mail crap just makes you sound like Nick Griffin, oh wait sorry we have to tolerate everyone that thinks just like you, I like that toleration it works very openly. On topic, guns, no guns theres more pressing issues to deal with I dont like or need a gun and providing you dont flash one around I dont really care, besides this is the US and I dont plan to visit there anytime soon and NO it isnt todo with guns I just have no reason to go there and if I did the last thing I would give a crap about are guns.
Neyro7830 Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.16 15:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Sorry my country has given me the constitutional right to protect myself and my property. :p
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.16 15:51:00 - [17] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 16/02/2010 15:53:00 Originally by: Neyro7830 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Sorry my country has given me the constitutional right to protect myself and my property. :p You don't need to own an assault rifle to do this, just an ounce of common sense. <- WERP LETS STAY CLEAR OF THIS ISSUE. Although the US does have the highest amount of criminals in prison to population ratio in the world, I'll have to give you that one I'm afraid.
Neyro7830 Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.16 16:20:00 - [18] Edited by: Neyro7830 on 16/02/2010 16:20:52 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 16/02/2010 15:53:00 Originally by: Neyro7830 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Sorry my country has given me the constitutional right to protect myself and my property. :p You don't need to own an assault rifle to do this, just an ounce of common sense. <- WERP LETS STAY CLEAR OF THIS ISSUE. Although the US does have the highest amount of criminals in prison to population ratio in the world, I'll have to give you that one I'm afraid. ****ing eh. Forums ate my post. Retyping ;3;
Neyro7830 Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.16 16:23:00 - [19] I actually agree with you, I wouldn't own an "assault rifle" (I hate that term, so scary) even if I have the legal right to. I'd be afraid of putting my eye out. And yeah no good can come of discussing these things, so I'll stay on topic. If I owned a .357 magnum revolver (which I want badly), I would use these, Linkage I saw a pic floating around of ballistics gel that this sort of frangible round was used on, and it shredded the gel to pieces. Nasty stuff.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Rainbow Road	Posted - 2010.02.16 16:34:00 - [20] LOOK AT ME I'VE GOT A FUKKEN GUN
Rowdy Yates Caldari Redneck Rangers	Posted - 2010.02.16 16:35:00 - [21] Guns are scary. People who scare easily should stay away from them.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.16 17:25:00 - [22] I have a .44 magnum,a .40 S&W that I load with Ranger Talons, and a soviet Mosin Nagant M91/30 stamped 1938 with a hammer and sickle Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:07:00 - [23] I don't have "a" gun. I have numerous firearms. All I see in this thread for the most part are a bunch of hoplophobes. Freud once said "fear of guns is a sign of sexual and emotional immaturity." I quite agree. If you're too much of a loser to own a gun or you are sexually r3tarded and think that no one should own a gun because they're 'too dangerous' then stay out of my thread. I'm simply interested in what types of ammunition people prefer to use to kill other people in order to defend themselves. \o/ -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zzander Solus	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Neyro7830 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Sorry my country has given me the constitutional right to protect myself and my property. :p I'm assuming you are referring to the Second Amendment of the US constitution (Right to Keep and Bear Arms). Actually you better read that amendment closely and think about it. When that amendment was added to the Constitution in 1791 guns were all muzzleloaders. Manufactured ammunition didn't exist at the time. Many of the populace knew how to make gunpowder from scratch and had ready materials for making it (farmers primarily). So the ratifiers of the Second Amendment didn't see fit to protect gunpowder; only firearms as they existed at the time. When TSHTF, what do you think will be the first thing locked down and confiscated will be? (clue; not guns) Ammunition is on the list for control under the Emergency Powers Act. Don't think that the US government hasn't noticed that glaring loophole in the Second Amendment. I can assure you that they have. Try to buy blackpowder (or the components) now in any quantity without paperwork and scrutiny by the ATF. If you truly want to feel protected, you had better learn how to make your ammo from scratch as people did back in the 18th century. And get yourself a good muzzleloader.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Although the US does have the highest amount of criminals in prison to population ratio in the world, I'll have to give you that one I'm afraid. A large portion, if not a majority, of our prisoners are incarcerated for non-violent crimes and 3 strikes your out penalties. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Zzander Solus Originally by: Neyro7830 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Sorry my country has given me the constitutional right to protect myself and my property. :p I'm assuming you are referring to the Second Amendment of the US constitution (Right to Keep and Bear Arms). Actually you better read that amendment closely and think about it. When that amendment was added to the Constitution in 1791 guns were all muzzleloaders. Manufactured ammunition didn't exist at the time. Many of the populace knew how to make gunpowder from scratch and had ready materials for making it (farmers primarily). So the ratifiers of the Second Amendment didn't see fit to protect gunpowder; only firearms as they existed at the time. When TSHTF, what do you think will be the first thing locked down and confiscated will be? (clue; not guns) Ammunition is on the list for control under the Emergency Powers Act. Don't think that the US government hasn't noticed that glaring loophole in the Second Amendment. I can assure you that they have. Try to buy blackpowder (or the components) now in any quantity without paperwork and scrutiny by the ATF. If you truly want to feel protected, you had better learn how to make your ammo from scratch as people did back in the 18th century. And get yourself a good muzzleloader. The US Constitution is a living document in which amendments can be updated and changed if a vast majority of the states agree, therefore what it meant in 1791 is irrelevant. Also, those of us that load our own ammo usually have stockpiles of powder, primers, & projectiles so Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:26:00 - [27] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/02/2010 18:28:02 Originally by: Zzander Solus If you truly want to feel protected, you had better learn how to make your ammo from scratch as people did back in the 18th century. And get yourself a good muzzleloader. Although, technically your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is correct, according to many of the framers the Constitution is a living document that is up for interpretation and alternation by the people. Also, I do not think that finding ammunition is really that hard, you may need to change the guns you are using, but there is plenty of ammunition around the world. There is no need to revert to muzzle loader technology. EDIT: As Intense above mentioned, many of us already have a nice cache. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Zzander Solus	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/02/2010 18:28:02 Originally by: Zzander Solus If you truly want to feel protected, you had better learn how to make your ammo from scratch as people did back in the 18th century. And get yourself a good muzzleloader. Although, technically your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is correct, according to many of the framers the Constitution is a living document that is up for interpretation and alternation by the people. Also, I do not think that finding ammunition is really that hard, you may need to change the guns you are using, but there is plenty of ammunition around the world. There is no need to revert to muzzle loader technology. EDIT: As Intense above mentioned, many of us already have a nice cache. Slade My point was the the Second Amendment only protects firearms as it currently stands now, not ammo. Most people purchase their ammo from retail sources. Only a few people attempt to reload their ammo. Primers are not protected under the Second Amendment either. The Constitution is a living document and can be changed, but that is by legislative action. The law courts interpret the constitution and government policy is set by the interpretation. People's rights are determined by the interpretation of the constitution by the law courts. People cannot directly assess their rights from the constitution. Try arguing with a police officer about your rights, ha ha.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Irida Mershkov An ammo crate? Wasn't Ammocrates a Greek philosopher? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Zzander Solus My point was the the Second Amendment only protects firearms as it currently stands now, not ammo. Most people purchase their ammo from retail sources. Only a few people attempt to reload their ammo. Primers are not protected under the Second Amendment either. The Constitution is a living document and can be changed, but that is by legislative action. The law courts interpret the constitution and government policy is set by the interpretation. People's rights are determined by the interpretation of the constitution by the law courts. People cannot directly assess their rights from the constitution. Try arguing with a police officer about your rights, ha ha. ah the Constitutional dance Of course it is a process and yes they could ban the items that you mention. But I was saying that, even if most people that have guns do not have the capability or equipment/ingredients to make ammo, there are plenty of non-legal avenues of acquiring munitions. The guns themselves are the "most difficult" item to create. Therefore, they are the most important aspect to maintain possession of. As for dealing with the police, I have discussed my way out of two tickets. If you try arguing with a officer of the law that is the quickest way into cuffs for sure. But of course, by law, they are enforcers so they are not employed to be interpreters. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Zzander Solus	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:13:00 - [31] To the OP, I carry my gunpowder in a powder horn and my .50 calibre roundball in an elkhide pouch on the strap of my possibles bag. In my hand is my trusty Kentucky long rifle. This is when I am in historical re-enactmant mode.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Zzander Solus To the OP, I carry my gunpowder in a powder horn and my .50 calibre roundball in an elkhide pouch on the strap of my possibles bag. In my hand is my trusty Kentucky long rifle. This is when I am in historical re-enactmant mode. Isn't that like cosplay for rednecks? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: Zzander Solus To the OP, I carry my gunpowder in a powder horn and my .50 calibre roundball in an elkhide pouch on the strap of my possibles bag. In my hand is my trusty Kentucky long rifle. This is when I am in historical re-enactmant mode. Isn't that like cosplay for rednecks? If by cosplay, you mean LARPing, then you are correct And yes, there are some really nasty black powder guns being produced nowadays. You are not going to win a revolution with them, but they are damn fun to shoot. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Zzander Solus	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:46:00 - [34] Yeah Slade. I just get annoyed when people make assumptions about our constitution and claim blanket rights. Our constitution is a good thing and it is our principle framework for our freedoms. But a lot of people don't seem to understand that it is the interpretation of it by our law courts that really protects us. Its in those various interpretations where the problems have always been. Perhaps its time we get our legislators to add some Post-It notes to our constitution to clarify some things. But, they would probably screw it up, ha ha. BTW, have you experienced any problems with primers being a little more unstable and misfiring? A lot of the muzzleloader community have been having some problems with the shelflife of percussion caps. Many think the chemical formulas have been changed.

CCP Claw	Posted - 2010.02.16 20:28:00 - [35] I used to use the copper stuff, then I discovered that my 1400mms could actually fire cars and I never looked back.

Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.16 20:43:00 - [36] Yes, but were they hybrid earth friendly cars, or were they leaded fuel guzzling clunkers?!
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.02.16 20:45:00 - [37] Bellum, 1) Good luck in getting many helpful responses 2) I live in Australia, so in short: "lol", at least about whatever advice I could possibly give. However, Some of my friends in the U.S. have had good things to say about the Taurus Judge. Obviously this is an entire revolver, not an ammunition choice but I'm just as obviously indicating the flexibility it provides between .45 Colt and .410 shot - one mate in particular just got one this past Christmas for his wife and I am told it is now one of her favorite carry pieces.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.16 20:49:00 - [38] I have not had any issues with caps. I was always taught that if your gun was miss firing to make sure that cap was fitting properly. If there was a chemical change I would assume that it would have to be listed in some manner. But I do not follow anything online as it has to do with the black powder community so can not comment firmly. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.16 20:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Zedic Yes, but were they hybrid earth friendly cars, or were they leaded fuel guzzling clunkers?! the minmatar don't use hybrids _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.16 21:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Heh the only people who should fear an armed state are the violent criminals and the dictator wannabes in the government. Now as far as my right to own projectile weapons is concerned I'm a simple man when it comes to ammo for my guns. Remington UMC .223 55gr. FMJ for my mini-14 in home defense loadout and when hunting season opens I stick a clip of Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertip .223 Remington 55gr. into it with my nice night vision hunting scope mounted on top for those midnight deer hunts. The pistol is for very close range put down power so I use 45 Auto (ACP) 230 gr +P JHP Corbon Ammo in it for mercy killing a wounded deer that I sniped with the rifle but didn't outright kill. I imagine the same ammo will be moar than adaquate for putting down a home invader or a last ditch bid for life if the zombie apocalypse hoards break through the final defenses. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Bigpimping Pimp Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.16 22:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate the minmatar don't use hybrids Hah, awesum. ________________________________________ He who pimps, is God...
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.16 22:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Zedic Yes, but were they hybrid earth friendly cars, or were they leaded fuel guzzling clunkers?! the minmatar don't use hybrids Touche! Then again, a minmatar's idea of "cloaking" consists of gathering space trash around himself and attempting to blend in.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.16 23:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Neyro7830 I'm detecting many disarmed nannystate citizens in this thread. This is where I get my ammo OP Good site, ships straight to your door. I've detected an armed state living in fear. Heh the only people who should fear an armed state are the violent criminals and the dictator wannabes in the government. Or other nations.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 01:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Abrazzar Guns for self defense are pretty useless when it is expected that you are armed. You will be the second one to draw, you will be the second one to shoot, you will be the first one to die. Unless you also wear a bulletproof vest (and hat and pants) you are at a severe disadvantage when having to react to a armed assault. Criminals attack unarmed targets, not armed targets. If they're worried that you might be armed, they go find someone who isn't. Your logic is a complete failure. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 02:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Or other nations. WTB: Intercontinental ballistic rifle rounds! Phear my city killing mini-14 of DOOM! Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 04:34:00 - [46] I have to say, I'm always tickled at the overwhelming outpouring of negativity towards firearms by those who play this game. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 05:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Bellum Eternus I have to say, I'm always tickled at the overwhelming outpouring of negativity towards firearms by those who play this game. Its not really much different than the ships and modual whingers who can't afford a dramiel and/or got pwnd by one. Simple epeen envy as your large gun and obvious knowledge intimidates them. ffs Irida thinks I am a threat to another country because I own a semi-automatic assault rifle. Wtf am I going to do, invade? Somehow I think airport security might have some issues with that. Hrmm thinking about it ** why not. We obviously aggressive and guncrazy americans can all hop into some 4x4s with monster truck tires and float across the atlantic in an epic invasion fleet to pilfer ur beer and womenzez. Originally by:** Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.02.17 05:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Abrazzar Guns for self defense are pretty useless when it is expected that you are armed. You will be the second one to draw, you will be the second one to shoot, you will be the first one to die. Unless you also wear a bulletproof vest (and hat and pants) you are at a severe disadvantage when having to react to a armed assault. Criminals attack unarmed targets, not armed targets. If they're worried that you might be armed, they go find someone who isn't. Your logic is a complete failure. Right, because a hidden firearm is so obvious to see by every criminal. Like, they first search the house they plan to break in before breaking in to check if the owner has a firearm. They simply assume you are armed (in a society where a majority is armed, not unreasonable) and act accordingly. Your logic completely fails in the face of reality. --------
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.17 06:21:00 - [49] can't wait to get my own place and a good job so I can keep and afford guns.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 07:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Abrazzar Guns for self defense are pretty useless when it is expected that you are armed. You will be the second one to draw, you will be the second one to shoot, you will be the first one to die. Unless you also wear a bulletproof vest (and hat and pants) you are at a severe disadvantage when having to react to a armed assault. Criminals attack unarmed targets, not armed targets. If they're worried that you might be armed, they go find someone who isn't. Your logic is a complete failure. Right, because a hidden firearm is so obvious to see by every criminal. Like, they first search the house they plan to break in before breaking in to check if the owner has a firearm. They simply assume you are armed (in a society where a majority is armed, not unreasonable) and act accordingly. Your logic completely fails in the face of reality. Criminals go after the low risk targets first. Clearly, if removing guns solves the problem then places like Chicago would have the lowest murder rates in the US instead of the highest like they do now? But I digress. Yet again the anti-gun losers that play Eve have to get into a thread about firearms and whine about how they don't like guns. If you don't like it, don't discuss what the thread is about. The thread is about high performance ammunition designed for incapacitating and killing people. I'm asking the forum goers what is their brand of choice and why. I'm curious as to what other people like to use. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Wrayeth Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.02.17 09:02:00 - [51] Edited by: Wrayeth on 17/02/2010 09:06:16 I'm afraid I can't say I truly have any ammo designed primarily to kill people. All I've got is a Savage Model 93G(L) bolt-action rifle chambered for .22 WMR (aka .22 magnum) and some CCI Maxi-Mag .22 WMR Total Metal Jacket ammo. Since, so far, all I've used it for is target shooting, I haven't had any need to get hollow points or anything along those lines. That said, if I manage to get a house like I'm hoping, I'm definitely going to pick up a handgun for home defense, and at that point will look into ammunition designed to shoot other human beings. All of that said, the firearm I really want to pick up is the Panther LRT-SASS from DPMS. I'd be looking at getting the Armalite version...except that it costs $1000 more and, IIRC, doesn't offer much of a performance boost. Besides, I'm not even sure if I'll be able to scrounge together the money for the DPMS rifle at any point in the near future. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 09:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 17/02/2010 09:06:16 I'm afraid I can't say I truly have any ammo designed primarily to kill people. All I've got is a Savage Model 93G(L) bolt-action rifle chambered for .22 WMR (aka .22 magnum) and some CCI Maxi-Mag .22 WMR Total Metal Jacket ammo. Since, so far, all I've used it for is target shooting, I haven't had any need to get hollow points or anything along those lines. That said, if I manage to get a house like I'm hoping, I'm definitely going to pick up a handgun for home defense, and at that point will look into ammunition designed to shoot other human beings. All of that said, the firearm I really want to pick up is the Panther LRT-SASS from DPMS. I'd be looking at getting the Armalite version...except that it costs $1000 more and, IIRC, doesn't offer much of a performance boost. Besides, I'm not even sure if I'll be able to scrounge together the money for the DPMS rifle at any point in the near future. I love the .22 WMR with a 40gr. TMJ for Coyotes. Less pelt damage. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.17 09:58:00 - [53] There is a small town in florida where anyone over 16 and is proven competent must carry a firearm on them at all times after some vigerous education on respecting fire arm usage. Crime there is very very low, most of it not involving guns still. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 10FEB10
Fumitsugu The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.17 10:59:00 - [54] Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Wait what? More guns = more murders and gun crime? Just melt all your civvies' guns, introduce firearms restrictions, and boom, no need to carry guns any more. And I wouldn't have to listen to yanks solemnly discussing "home security". Just saying. Flame away
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 14:13:00 - [55] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Irida Mershkov Or other nations. WTB: Intercontinental ballistic rifle rounds! Phear my city killing mini-14 of DOOM! WTS: M16, may be intercontinental in terms of range, but I can't guarantee the quality of the duct-tape. Painted it red, makes it more orky.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.17 14:38:00 - [56] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/02/2010 14:39:08 Originally by: Fumitsugu Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Wait what? More guns = more murders and gun crime? Just melt all your civvies' guns, introduce firearms restrictions, and boom, no need to carry guns any more. And I wouldn't have to listen to yanks solemnly discussing "home security". Just saying. Flame away You have to love statistics I would think without guns you small, rather homogeneous countries, with relatively little land mass, would be able to control your people a little better. I guess you all are bigger failures then the US You throw statistics out there but do not even consider the larger picture and you do not even through up a link to the statistics. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 14:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 17/02/2010 14:46:46 Edit: you fell for obvious trollbait there Slade. Although I'm not suggesting this is linked to firearms, because that's just silly. Outlawing firearms doesn't remove gun crime, as the whole point of being a criminal is, breaking the law. But it does make it indefinitely harder to do so. American prisons are barbaric.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.17 15:03:00 - [58] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/02/2010 15:07:30 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 17/02/2010 14:46:46 Edit: you fell for obvious trollbait there Slade. Although I'm not suggesting this is linked to firearms, because that's just silly. Outlawing firearms doesn't remove gun crime, as the whole point of being a criminal is, breaking the law. But it does make it indefinitely harder to do so. American prisons are barbaric. Did not really fall for it; just countered with additional bait Upwards of 25% of the US prison population is incarcerated for non-violent crime offenses which drops that number quit a bit. The differences in incarceration rates is more due to the US not being lenient on criminals. You get rid of 3 strikes your out penalties, incarceration for simple drug possession, and other consensual crimes, and the number will plummet. More tasty bait So the incarceration rates is more of a reflection of how different countries deal with recidivism. Which I will admit that the US fails at considering 25%+ of the US prison population is in for non-violent crime. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:25:00 - [59] Another oft overlooked fact of the US prison system is that a fairly good percentage of prisoners are criminal immigrants that other countries dumped on us when we had that disasterous open door policy after WW2. ffs Cuba emptied out its own prisons and mental wards and sent them all over here not to mention various other south american countries that did similar stunts then laughed as their former criminals went right to work undermining our social systems. I am glad they are all rotting in jail regardless if the inmate is some waste of dna from cuba or a waste of homegrown dna as it keeps my streets nice and safe overall. My question to you then Irida is why do your countries let its criminals run free? Just as an example look at Brazil's place on your list. Wow they must be a really crime free and peacful country with such a low instance of incarceration. Bet its all sunshine and rainbows there as a result. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Zeba Another oft overlooked fact of the US prison system is that a fairly good percentage of prisoners are criminal immigrants that other countries dumped on us when we had that disasterous open door policy after WW2. ffs Cuba emptied out its own prisons and mental wards and sent them all over here not to mention various other south american countries that did similar stunts then laughed as their former criminals went right to work undermining our social systems. I am glad they are all rotting in jail regardless if the inmate is some waste of dna from cuba or a waste of homegrown dna as it keeps my streets nice and safe overall. My question to you then Irida is why do your countries let its criminals run free? Just as an example look at Brazil's place on your list. Wow they must be a really crime free and peacful country with such a low instance of incarceration. Bet its all sunshine and rainbows there as a result. That chart doesn't state there is less crime, but less people incarnated for such crimes. /101.jpg I thought this to be pretty obvious. Quote: Godber: I'm only in here due to tragic circumstances. Fletch: Which were? Godber: I got caught. As for 'my countries'. My one actually doesn't just let criminals go free, my families heritage country doesn't even have a government, but of course we're all happy with rainbows in Somalia because nobody is really a criminal.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:31:00 - [61] Then what in blazes is your point? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:39:00 - [62] That banning weapons has no direct relation to overall crime, but only to specific percentage of certain crimes. And, alternatively, that legalizing firearms has no direct correlation on crimes caused. An often used argument in favour of legalized weapons is that the person is at a lower risk, this is pretty false, the same goes for banning weapons too. I had a point, but the thread sort of shifted to prisons mid argument and to be honest I can't even remember what my point was. It was also a dig at the US prison system, which I disagree with, but the discussion I tend to get involved in is on a different forum.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:52:00 - [63] Well then here is a relevation on the american mind set on gunz just for you. Do you really think we buy them because we think in our wildest dreams that some crazy home invader is going to crash through out door and savage our family? Well Bellum might actually dream that so he can shoot them but for most everyone else its all 100% pure epeen. America is like one of the safest countries in the world to live in despite all the fearmongering you see on our thouroughly corpratized mass media outlets. It's simply that my guns look cooler out hunting or on the range than the other guys wimpy wooden stock rifle that looks like it belonged to their great great great grandpa Wild Willy Pecos of the Badlands. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 18:08:00 - [64] Quite a few do, but of course I'm not judging everyone. I don't think legalizing guns, or rather having them available is a bad thing, I just think America handles them in a bad manner. For example, it is legal to own some weapons in Britain, provided you go through the neccesary(?) checks, and in the event of you being denied, that's it, granted I think that's too strict for the ideal system, but I believe Americas system of owning firearms is far too lenient. Weaponry in general is pretty bloody interesting from a design and engineering point of view and it's something I'm interested in, but the mental imagery involved makes this more or less impossible unfortunately. Besides, our glorious old 1853 Enfields are infinitely superior to your insignificant American plastic toys.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 18:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Quite a few do, but of course I'm not judging everyone. I don't think legalizing guns, or rather having them available is a bad thing, I just think America handles them in a bad manner. For example, it is legal to own some weapons in Britain, provided you go through the neccesary(?) checks, and in the event of you being denied, that's it, granted I think that's too strict for the ideal system, but I believe Americas system of owning firearms is far too lenient. Weaponry in general is pretty bloody interesting from a design and engineering point of view and it's something I'm interested in, but the mental imagery involved makes this more or less impossible unfortunately. You have the same checks in america. Any serious crimes ban you from legaly owing even a basic target plinking .22lr rifle let alone a semi-automatic military grade assault rifle with all the bells and whistles. Hell if I wanted I could even get a full automatic liscense but thats just overkill on ammo consumption anyways. Aimed shots > spray 'n pray. Originally by: Irida Mershkov Besides, our glorious old 1853 Enfields are infinitely superior to your insignificant American plastic toys. Gunny Ermey disagrees with your assertations. HOORAH! And my plastic toy can put all 20 rounds center mass at 1000 yards. At night. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.17 18:53:00 - [66] I'll stick with living in a place that has a low enough crime rate that I don't require a firearm to protect myself and my property. Unless of course you're just jerking yourself off because you have a gun, in that case I have a more simple response : lol. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.17 19:08:00 - [67] Guns you say?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 19:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Verone I'll stick with living in a place that has a low enough crime rate that I don't require a firearm to protect myself and my property. Good thing I live in a country that has a lulz low violent crime rate so gun ownership is more a way of life than a requirement for safe day to day living. Besides I like the passive bonuses an armed state gives with the natural check on the goventments grossly outnumbered official forces vs its desire to gain tighter and tighter control of the general populace. Beware my global citizens that what is happening in britain can come a knocking on your door too and if you are not armed then there is litereally nothing you can do if your government decides to stomp on your liberties. Protestiong isn't very effective if the oppressors know they have all the guns. Just ask the average brazillian on the street. Do you really beleive that country would have slid so completely and so quickly into a murderous military dictatorship if the general populace was armed? Think people. Think. For gods sake think before it happens to you next. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 19:17:00 - [69] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 17/02/2010 19:17:54 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Irida Mershkov Quite a few do, but of course I'm not judging everyone. I don't think legalizing guns, or rather having them available is a bad thing, I just think America handles them in a bad manner. For example, it is legal to own some weapons in Britain, provided you go through the neccesary(?) checks, and in the event of you being denied, that's it, granted I think that's too strict for the ideal system, but I believe Americas system of owning firearms is far too lenient. Weaponry in general is pretty bloody interesting from a design and engineering point of view and it's something I'm interested in, but the mental imagery involved makes this more or less impossible unfortunately. You have the same checks in america. Any serious crimes ban you from legaly owing even a basic target plinking .22lr rifle let alone a semi-automatic military grade assault rifle with all the bells and whistles. Hell if I wanted I could even get a full automatic liscense but thats just overkill on ammo consumption anyways. Aimed shots > spray 'n pray. Originally by: Irida Mershkov Besides, our glorious old 1853 Enfields are infinitely superior to your insignificant American plastic toys. Gunny Ermey disagrees with your assertations. HOORAH! And my plastic toy can put all 20 rounds center mass at 1000 yards. At night. That guy is awesome. I don't even have a comeback to this post because that dude is so awesome.
Kijo Rikki Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2010.02.17 20:19:00 - [70] I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig.
Fumitsugu The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.17 20:42:00 - [71] Edited by: Fumitsugu on 17/02/2010 20:45:06 Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/02/2010 14:39:08 Originally by: Fumitsugu Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Wait what? More guns = more murders and gun crime? Just melt all your civvies' guns, introduce firearms restrictions, and boom, no need to carry guns any more. And I wouldn't have to listen to yanks solemnly discussing "home security". Just saying. Flame away You have to love statistics I would think without guns you small, rather homogeneous countries, with relatively little land mass, would be able to control your people a little better. I guess you all are bigger failures then the US You throw statistics out there but do not even consider the larger picture and you do not even through up a link to the statistics. Slade Hmmm, so according to you, Slade, the fact that you have a larger landmass and population than the UK is an acceptable reason for having 8 times the gun crime and 3 times as many homicides per capita? Meither France nor the UK can be classed as culturally "homogeneous", either. I thought guns were there to reduce crime? Word your responses as prettily as you will, there is no escaping the simple, positive, relationship between the number of murders in the US and the number of guns lying around there. And no, I'm not going to reference my statistics, I delight in not doing so since I left university. Originally by: Verone I'll stick with living in a place that has a low enough crime rate that I don't require a firearm to protect myself and my property. Unless of course you're just jerking yourself off because you have a gun, in that case I have a more simple response : lol. Hit the nail on the head. ed. Zeba scared me. Dusting off my old FAMAS, digging out my fatigues, and heading to the hills. I will protect my civil liberties!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 21:14:00 - [72] Edited by: Zeba on 17/02/2010 21:26:15 Originally by: Fumitsugu ed. Zeba scared me. Dusting off my old FAMAS, digging out my fatigues, and heading to the hills. I will protect my civil liberties! Pffft. Guns to protect our civil libertys.. We in america don't need no stinkin' guns to protect our civil libertys when we have snowballs. edit: But seriously if worst comes to worst you will be a happy man if a sitution arises that needs those safely tucked away fatigues and your old FAMAS. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 01:42:00 - [73] I have always wondered how this 'protect our home' rule works, lets say someone breaks into your house what do you do pull out a gun and shoot him in the face? But then isnt the message "when in danger, shoot first ask questions later" here? Also how would you determine when to use a gun, what situation is it best to, or is it as simple as "If they are on my property and I dont want them here I will shoot" When it comes to hunting why is it ok to shoot an adult couger but not a baby bobcat? When it comes to hunting why arent grenade or explosives used? Say the government did invade your home because of the swineflu nwo twin tower bush monkey aids mind control socialist agenda, what exactly would be able todo? ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:04:00 - [74] Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 02:04:37 I see it's the semi-annual circlejerk of internet tough guys spouting doomsday fantasies and "protect our homes" nonsense. I'm sure that they'll come in real handy for the jackbooted tyranny that you think Barrack ******* Obama will impose upon you. I really hope you enjoy living in a country where you feel the need to carry a lethal weapon around for protection. You are in great company alongside: -Somalia -Yemen -Afghanistan Keep on fighting the good fight! And never forget, telling an Internet Spaceship forum that you own guns makes you a big man! edit: the word filters catches Obama's middle name HAHAHA
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:09:00 - [75] Edited by: Alchemist Zemont on 18/02/2010 02:09:07 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 02:04:37 I see it's the semi-annual circlejerk of internet tough guys spouting doomsday fantasies and "protect our homes" nonsense. I'm sure that they'll come in real handy for the jackbooted tyranny that you think Barrack ******* Obama will impose upon you. I really hope you enjoy living in a country where you feel the need to carry a lethal weapon around for protection. You are in great company alongside: -Somalia -Yemen -Afghanistan Keep on fighting the good fight! And never forget, telling an Internet Spaceship forum that you own guns makes you a big man! edit: the word filters catches Obama's middle name HAHAHA Some of the filtered stuff makes no sense, now why is that censored :S quote my comment to see other weird censored words ** zle **** ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Kijo Rikki I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. This is where the majority of violent crime in america is at. Ask any policeman and he will tell you that most of his calls are to homes with two people who simply cannot get along be it the spouse or a next door neighbor. The movies and tv shows that portray all the random gun violence are just that: Shows. The odds of some random person invading your home or place of work and shooting you are faaaar less than getting bonked in the head with a meteor or struck by lightning. Hell I think the main killer in america by several orders of magnitude is still old fashioned heart attacks and cancer with drunken driving coming in a close third and not violent gun crime. Originally by: Fumitsugu I thought guns were there to reduce crime? Word your responses as prettily as you will, there is no escaping the simple, positive, relationship between the number of murders in the US and the number of guns lying around there. And if guns were banned they would stab each other or if knives were banned they would beat each other to death with a bat or if bats were banned they would strangle each other. So should we cut off all our hands then as that always seems to be the common instrument in all killings. Oh wait you can still bite someone on the jugular and kill them so no moar teeth either. Moral? If someone is angry enough to kill they will always find a way. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:22:00 - [77] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 18/02/2010 02:23:58 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 02:04:37 I see it's the semi-annual circlejerk of internet tough guys spouting doomsday fantasies and "protect our homes" nonsense. I'm sure that they'll come in real handy for the jackbooted tyranny that you think Barrack ******* Obama will impose upon you. I really hope you enjoy living in a country where you feel the need to carry a lethal weapon around for protection. You are in great company alongside: -Somalia -Yemen -Afghanistan Keep on fighting the good fight! And never forget, telling an Internet Spaceship forum that you own guns makes you a big man! edit: the word filters catches Obama's middle name HAHAHA ~~Out of all the places to list on the Earth for your examples, you picked Yemen? I can understand the other two, but Yemen? seriously?~~ Edit: I'm thinking of another nation, Irida go sleepy now.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Alchemist Zemont I have always wondered how this 'protect our home' rule works, lets say someone breaks into your house what do you do pull out a gun and shoot him in the face? But then isnt the message "when in danger, shoot first ask questions later" here? Also how would you determine when to use a gun, what situation is it best to, or is it as simple as "If they are on my property and I dont want them here I will shoot" When it comes to hunting why is it ok to shoot an adult couger but not a baby bobcat? When it comes to hunting why arent grenade or explosives used? Say the government did invade your home because of the swineflu nwo twin tower bush monkey aids mind control socialist agenda, what exactly would be able todo? If you're in the United States, the 'rules' vary widely depending on what state you live in. How it works where I live: we have what we call the 'castle doctrine', and this applies to your person whether or not you're outside your house or not. It basically means that you have the right to remain where you are and aren't required to try and flee before using deadly force to defend your life or the life of another person. Deadly force is authorized if you are in fear of your life or someone else's. How you articulate this is open for interpretation. If someone is in my home then indeed I'm 'in fear for my life' and will apply deadly force as required until the threat is stopped. Interpret that how you will. The same rules apply if you're in your vehicle or on foot. The difference between the three situations is primarily the physical boundary provided by the vehicle or structure that makes it a little easier to define when someone has made an intentional move to press the assault and when they have not. As for your local laws and regulations, they may be very different. If you live in say, California or Illinois then you're pretty much screwed when it comes to defending yourself. Or the UK, or Japan, or Australia... lol. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:32:00 - [79] Originally by: Kijo Rikki I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. I hear about people who defend themselves and save the lives of others all the time. It's just that most people aren't smart enough to do any reading beyond what the major news agencies put in their laps. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Bellum Eternus As for your local laws and regulations, they may be very different. If you live in say, California or Illinois then you're pretty much screwed when it comes to defending yourself. Or the UK, or Japan, or Australia... lol. In return, they have 1/4 of the crime that America does. Seems like a fair trade.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:36:00 - [81] Linkage Let me guess, this doesn't matter because it's the mainstream liberal media trying to keep us down?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Linkage Let me guess, this doesn't matter because it's the mainstream liberal media trying to keep us down? Yeah, where I live Mexicans are a big problem as well. Very big. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:46:00 - [83] Oh ok. I guess gun crime is fine as long as it's "not in MY backyard!".
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:51:00 - [84] So let me get this correct, owning a gun is legal and fine but smoking pot is 'bad' and illegal epic logic ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:52:00 - [85] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Oh ok. I guess gun crime is fine as long as it's "not in MY backyard!". It's not 'gun crime'. Lol. "Gun crime" is some term they dreamed up in the UK. Along with "knife crime" (once they banned guns) and now "club crime" since they're banning all pointy knives. It's crime perpetrated by drug cartels. The fact that the guns are coming from the US only means that it's easier to get them from here than from South America or somewhere else. All that tells me is that our border isn't secure. If it's hard enough to acquire guns from the US, they'll look elsewhere. All of a sudden, it's not our fault they're killing each other if they're not using our guns to do it, right? It isn't our fault they're killing each other, or with guns from the US. They're simply criminals. Banning guns in the US won't change the end result. Only an idiot would think so. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:57:00 - [86] Originally by: Alchemist Zemont So let me get this correct, owning a gun is legal and fine but smoking pot is 'bad' and illegal epic logic For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Zeba For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? The small minority of people who use guns to kill are still more deadly than pot.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:00:00 - [88] Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 03:00:13 double post
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:03:00 - [89] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Alchemist Zemont So let me get this correct, owning a gun is legal and fine but smoking pot is 'bad' and illegal epic logic For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? Wow just wow! I eat too much fruit and veg, doctor says I could die because insane amounts of fiber can kill me, also the sugar makes me hyperactive and will cause diabetes, but I am hooked on the chems you find in netural fruit / veg SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what I will do is make fruit / veg illegal because EVERYONE has huge excessive amounts like me and legalise guns ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Zeba For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? The small minority of people who use guns to kill are still more deadly than pot. Statistically? Not Even Close.. Pot is the cause of moar fatal accidents due to hindered reaction times and situational awareness in this country that all gun crime combined. So you want to go on a crusade to save life in numbers that actually mean something? Try to get cigarettes banned. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:07:00 - [91] Personally, I think that pot should be legal. It's no worse than cigs or beer. It's not *****. But I digress. This thread is about carry ammunition. But the losers on the internet can't seem to get that through their thick skulls. I just tried some Corbon DPX today and it worked out great. Dropped a 98 pound Javelina with two rounds to the chest. About 12" penetration and both bullets retained about 98% of their weight. Range was about 15 yards. You never know what you'll run into when you're out hiking. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:16:00 - [92] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Zeba For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? The small minority of people who use guns to kill are still more deadly than pot. Statistically? Not Even Close.. Pot is the cause of moar fatal accidents due to hindered reaction times and situational awareness in this country that all gun crime combined. So you want to go on a crusade to save life in numbers that actually mean something? Try to get cigarettes banned. Ok since you are getting worse, I will remind you that obesity in the US is the worst in the world % based NOT by numbers, it also contributes to far more problems than people are aware .ghost population' for example, just because one person is obese doesnt mean he is 'one person' he will be in short be eating and consuming for 2, this includes ALL resources too. This doesnt even include the TOP health problems that are associated with obesity that dont even come anywhere close to any other health issue and yes MOST cancers and health problems are directly from diet and nutrition. Now before you go on about smoking kills, sure it does but compare smoking related illness with diet related ones, now I actually dont smoke, drink or do anything unhealthy (my consumption of weed is usually through food IF I have any) the example above was just something that you blindly would say but I also know the benefits / limitations of drugs legal / illegal and a person smoking a joint ISNT the same as a person shooting someone. ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:18:00 - [93] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Personally, I think that pot should be legal. It's no worse than cigs or beer. It's not ****. In moderation sure but alas most people don't have the willpower to just stop at a mild buzz and instead go all out binge. Originally by:** Bellum Eternus I just tried some Corbon DPX today and it worked out great. Dropped a 98 pound Javelina with two rounds to the chest. About 12" penetration and both bullets retained about 98% of their weight. Range was about 15 yards. You never know what you'll run into when you're out hiking. Awesome kick ass stuff. I shot a groundhog with my .45 with the +P JHP Corbon round and it was just an awful mess. It looked like it stepped on a mine with all the guts and shattered ribs hanging out. Note to self: Don't use that ammo for small game if you want to save the pelt. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:23:00 - [94] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Personally, I think that pot should be legal. It's no worse than cigs or beer. It's not ******. But I digress. This thread is about carry ammunition. But the losers on the internet can't seem to get that through their thick skulls. I just tried some Corbon DPX today and it worked out great. Dropped a 98 pound Javelina with two rounds to the chest. About 12" penetration and both bullets retained about 98% of their weight. Range was about 15 yards. You never know what you'll run into when you're out hiking. did you eat it? them things look tasty!
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:25:00 - [95] Edited by: Alchemist Zemont on 18/02/2010 03:26:59 My opinions are my own, they are based on facts and studies, I know it is easy to assume I am blindly following media but I havent read ANYTHING controversial in 6 years (with the exception of these forums but I doubt that counts :P), anything media related and my comments are based on my own research and experience. I havent once been addicted to anything not even games and dont consume enough do even be classed as a light stoner but that doesnt change my opinion just because I dont do something or dont do much of it doesnt mean I will criticise it because I was brainwashed too :P Note: Oh and when I say media I dont mean stuff that random generic people say, I mean stuff that gets taught and is classed as FACTS and not MEDIA Anyway I am off to bed, your stupidity bores me EDIT Originally by: Zebb In moderation sure but alas most people don't have the willpower to just stop at a mild buzz and instead go all out binge. Sad So now you speak for every person who smokes pot and when I say moderation you call me a media puppet but when you gun friendly boyfriend does you change your tune ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:28:00 - [96] Edited by: Zeba on 18/02/2010 03:29:31 Originally by: Alchemist Zemont and a person smoking a joint ISNT the same as a person shooting someone. Unless he is so high he can't drive properly and drifts across a lane into a car full of kids because he is trying to grab the joint he dropped in his lap and was too stoned to realise he needed to pull over to safely retrieve it. This is but one of the many ways even a drug as mild as pot can kill. But hey pot makes you feel good and mellow so you won't feel the need to kill with a gun so it must be all good then. also: Originally by: Alchemist Zemont lulz Stoned again eh? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:31:00 - [97] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 18/02/2010 03:29:31 Originally by: Alchemist Zemont and a person smoking a joint ISNT the same as a person shooting someone. Unless he is so high he can't drive properly and drifts across a lane into a car full of kids because he is trying to grab the joint he dropped in his lap and was too stoned to realise he needed to pull over to safely retrieve it. This is but one of the many ways even a drug as mild as pot can kill. But hey pot makes you feel good and mellow so you won't feel the need to kill with a gun so it must be all good then. ] So basically exactly like alcohol? (except alcohol and pot aren't purchased and used for the express purpose of killing people)
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:34:00 - [98] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Alchemist Zemont and a person smoking a joint ISNT the same as a person shooting someone. Unless he is so high he can't drive properly and drifts across a lane into a car full of kids because he is trying to grab the joint he dropped in his lap and was too stoned to realise he needed to pull over to safely retrieve it. This is but one of the many ways even a drug as mild as pot can kill. But hey pot makes you feel good and mellow so you won't feel the need to kill with a gun so it must be all good then. You know someone who actually has the energy to drive after being high, I barely got my flat mate to pick up the phone when he was high, you got pro skill, besides he would think things are going too fast anyway and even parked he will think he is going 50mph but im sure you are stupid enough to take damage from a parked car, I see thats what you meant by kids And with that I am of to bed, I know this is a scary thing me going to sleep and lots of people will die because I am so relaxed right now but I am sure the chilled out music will make everyone get over the massacre that I am about to commence zzz ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:37:00 - [99] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Bellum Eternus Personally, I think that pot should be legal. It's no worse than cigs or beer. It's not *****. But I digress. This thread is about carry ammunition. But the losers on the internet can't seem to get that through their thick skulls. I just tried some Corbon DPX today and it worked out great. Dropped a 98 pound Javelina with two rounds to the chest. About 12" penetration and both bullets retained about 98% of their weight. Range was about 15 yards. You never know what you'll run into when you're out hiking. did you eat it? them things look tasty! Most of the javelina/boar in the western US are feral and as such their meat is poisonous to eat. I butchered it to find the bullets but the meat was literally green from the interstitial mucus content. Otherwise I'd have BBQed it. Wild boar tend to be a little stringy however. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Most of the javelina/boar in the western US are feral and as such their meat is poisonous to eat. I butchered it to find the bullets but the meat was literally green from the interstitial mucus content. Otherwise I'd have BBQed it. Wild boar tend to be a little stringy however. Holy ****, you really are a survivalist psychopath. Do you live in a shack in the woods? Do you have floorplans for federal government buildings?
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:43:00 - [101] Bellum is a known troll BUT this is a cool topic and im troll friendly so NEVER STOP POASTING!! Damn these forums are more addictive than my herbs XD ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:44:00 - [102] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi So basically exactly like alcohol? (except alcohol and pot aren't purchased and used for the express purpose of killing people) What does alchohol have to do with the comment I quoted? And who cares if drugs or alchohol are not purchased with the sole intention of killing people. That still doesn't make it any less of the mass killer it ends up being. Does it make any difference to the victims family if their loved one died to a copper bullet or a steel car? ffs death by car is waaaaaaaaay more frequent than death by bullet so lets ban cars too! \o/ Originally by: Alchemist Zemont And with that I am of to bed, Well the good thing is that if you are really stoned you won't remember this thread when you wake up. +1 pot! Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Bellum Eternus Most of the javelina/boar in the western US are feral and as such their meat is poisonous to eat. I butchered it to find the bullets but the meat was literally green from the interstitial mucus content. Otherwise I'd have BBQed it. Wild boar tend to be a little stringy however. Holy **, you really are a survivalist psychopath. Do you live in a shack in the woods? Yes I live in a straw shack with curing pelts on the walls for insulation and only eat what I kill over an open fire on a wooden spit. Trust me the internats was a total * to run out to the wilderness. Originally by:** Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:03:00 - [103] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Bellum Eternus Most of the javelina/boar in the western US are feral and as such their meat is poisonous to eat. I butchered it to find the bullets but the meat was literally green from the interstitial mucus content. Otherwise I'd have BBQed it. Wild boar tend to be a little stringy however. Holy ***, you really are a survivalist psychopath. Do you live in a shack in the woods? Do you have floorplans for federal government buildings? I actually LOLed. I'm curious, how would the above make you think that I'm a 'survivalist psychopath', and what does being a survivalist have to do with being a psychopath, or vise versa? Knowing not to eat green meat is hardly being a survivalist. It's like those crazy icelanders over there who don't eat green shark meat (not that the shark meat is green, but that it's from the green shark) because it's acidic and poisonous so they have to ferment it first. That makes them survivalists? Or psychopaths? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:09:00 - [104] The part that tipped me off was the gun ownership, and hatred of the federal government. Also shooting an animal and butchering it to retrive the ammunition.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:10:00 - [105] Originally by: Bellum Eternus It's like those crazy icelanders over there who don't eat green shark meat (not that the shark meat is green, but that it's from the green shark) because it's acidic and poisonous so they have to ferment it first. That makes them survivalists? Or psychopaths? Ohh! Oh! this is a trick question! Yes they are survivalists for having to figure out a way to make the meat of a poisonous shark edible so they could have enough to eat. Yes they are pschopaths because they 'still' eat the stuff even though they have the option of modern food production and its massive selection of oh so good non urine fermented viddles. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:20:00 - [106] Edited by: Zeba on 18/02/2010 04:23:59 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi The part that tipped me off was the gun ownership Oh get over it already.. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi and hatred of the federal government. You would start to hate it too with all the crap its tried to pull over the last few decades. Seems everyone including the rest of the world has forgotten this greatest of americans words which are still just as valid for your country whatever it might be as it is for mine. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Also shooting an animal and butchering it to retrive the ammunition. Yes because its just sooooo adorable when a feral male javelina in a typical hoggish hormonal rage bursts out of a thicket to sink its cute little teeth into your hide. You must be an urban basement dweller mate who thinks that food comes from the grocery store. Its the only explanation. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:28:00 - [107] Food also doesn't come from people killing animals that they know to be inedible. Outside of feeding yourself, food doesn't come from hunting at all. But please, continue to try and justify owning a weapon. Linkage Bellum irl?
Barbens Golden Horse Trading Company Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:35:00 - [108] Originally by: Nova Fox Ill stick with my m1 grand. Indeed...do you have the matching carbine as well? Barbs
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:38:00 - [109] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi The part that tipped me off was the gun ownership, and hatred of the federal government. Also shooting an animal and butchering it to retrive the ammunition. Where are you getting this 'hatred of the federal government'? And as far as shooting the Javelina, it continued to approach me after I moved down the trail I was hiking on twice. I shot it because it was probably going to try and chew on my leg. They do eat meat FYI. They kill dogs and cats around here all the time. As for 'retrieving the ammo', I'm always interested in recovering projectiles to examine their performance on a particular target. I was a medic in the military for six years as well as doing multiple engineering projects concerning small arms ammunition, so I have a professional interest as well as a personal one. You sound like you're a psychopath to me. You clearly have an irrational fear of weapons and are extremely neurotic and an unstable sociopath since you clearly assume that anyone except yourself is unsafe and can't be trusted. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:41:00 - [110] Originally by: Bellum Eternus You sound like you're a psychopath to me. You clearly have an irrational fear of weapons and are extremely neurotic and an unstable sociopath since you clearly assume that anyone except yourself is unsafe and can't be trusted. Says the guy who carries a pistol with him in public.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:43:00 - [111] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Bellum Eternus You sound like you're a psychopath to me. You clearly have an irrational fear of weapons and are extremely neurotic and an unstable sociopath since you clearly assume that anyone except yourself is unsafe and can't be trusted. Says the guy who carries a pistol with him in public. Do you have a fire extinguisher at your home? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:46:00 - [112] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Food also doesn't come from people killing animals that they know to be inedible. What in blazes does food have to do with killing a charging animal that could actually kill you if it can get to your throat which after it hamstrings you would not be too far off in the realm of possibilities. Let alone the potential for a lethal massive bacterial infection you could get even if it only 'wounds' you by taking a chunk out of a lower extremity. That he inspected it to see if it was edible was simply making the best of the situation. Pyrhus Taavi: Urban carebear status confirmed. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Outside of feeding yourself, food doesn't come from hunting at all. No it comes from an industialized system of heartless efficient mass killing where live animals are raised in cramped horrid non natural conditions then when they come of age are sent into a nightmare machine from a horror movie that turns a terrified animal into hamburger or pork chops or some chicken parts for your kfc. That is definitely the way to humanely aquire your food yessireee. Somehow I think the deer and other animals that hunters kill to help keep the general population in check due to lack of natural predators is a much better overall life experiance for them. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi But please, continue to try and justify owning a weapon. I could run off endless valid justifications but really the only one that matters atm is the one I just gave you in the first reply on this post. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Linkage Bellum irl? LOL! Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:48:00 - [113] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Bellum Eternus You sound like you're a psychopath to me. You clearly have an irrational fear of weapons and are extremely neurotic and an unstable sociopath since you clearly assume that anyone except yourself is unsafe and can't be trusted. Says the guy who carries a pistol with him in public. By this logic, police officers, the military, and security guards are also not to be trusted. *****, please.
Fumitsugu The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.18 08:15:00 - [114] Originally by: JordanParey By this logic, police officers, the military, and security guards are also not to be trusted. *****, please. Would you trust him? Really? Let's face it. Guns are the perfect weapon for morbidly obese forum epeen wavers. The fathers were really thinking ahead there Also, you'd think that the backward inhabitants of small, cramped, countries (Europeans) would suffer more stress (as a result of their awful, unconstitutional living conditions) than their American friends living wild on the prairies, thusly leading to the stom of unarmed violence envisioned by Zeba. But, we seem to get along fine(ish). Then again, what would I know. I live in a country even more violent than America Gotta love the soviet heritage.
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.18 08:46:00 - [115] Well, well, and how's the weather for everyone?
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2010.02.18 09:35:00 - [116] This thread is quite amusing Makes me want to go to the new shooting park they just opened up earlier this month. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 13:29:00 - [117] Originally by: Fumitsugu Originally by: JordanParey By this logic, police officers, the military, and security guards are also not to be trusted. ****, please. Would you trust him? Really? Let's face it. Guns are the perfect weapon for morbidly obese forum epeen wavers. The fathers were really thinking ahead there Also, you'd think that the backward inhabitants of small, cramped, countries (Europeans) would suffer more stress (as a result of their awful, unconstitutional living conditions) than their American friends living wild on the prairies, thusly leading to the stom of unarmed violence envisioned by Zeba. But, we seem to get along fine(ish). Then again, what would I know. I live in a country even more violent than America Gotta love the soviet heritage. Well at least Russians are hot, wish I could say the same for USA Yup double standards but true XD ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(*
Wrayeth Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.02.18 16:18:00 - [118] Edited by: Wrayeth on 18/02/2010 16:18:45 Originally by: Bellum Eternus And as far as shooting the Javelina, it continued to approach me after I moved down the trail I was hiking on twice. I shot it because it was probably going to try and chew on my leg. They do eat meat FYI. They kill dogs and cats around here all the time. Notice how Pyrhus completely failed to acknowledge the validity of using a gun to shoot an animal in self defense after reading this remark? I quote: Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Says the guy who carries a pistol with him in public. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Kijo Rikki Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2010.02.18 16:39:00 - [119] Quote: Pot is the cause of moar fatal accidents I challenge your assertation by the fact that I find it extremely difficult to even leave the couch once I've gotten borked. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 17:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Food also doesn't come from people killing animals that they know to be inedible. Outside of feeding yourself, food doesn't come from hunting at all. But please, continue to try and justify owning a weapon. http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 18:34:00 - [121] Originally by: Kijo Rikki Quote: Pot is the cause of moar fatal accidents I challenge your assertation by the fact that I find it extremely difficult to even leave the couch once I've gotten borked. Well thats just mighty white of you to be consciensious in your drug use by only doing it at home where you can only be a danger to yourself or loved ones. However you are not the guy driving down a road toking on a fatty so your counter assertation is irrelevant. Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Food also doesn't come from people killing animals that they know to be inedible. Outside of feeding yourself, food doesn't come from hunting at all. But please, continue to try and justify owning a weapon. http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw Awesome. People seem to forget that not every part of america is like the sterile urban carebearland of the subdivision way of life. Granted there are not too many wild west like places left but the ones that are still around can be pretty dangerous. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Kelly Luzita Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.18 18:41:00 - [122] I have been using Federal 5.56mm NATO 55-Gr. comes in a nice box of 900 on striper clips for 499$ us :)I just keep it in the box it comes in. For Kicks some times I also shoot American Eagle 5.56mm. Tactical Tracer Ammunition. Keeps the kids next door on there own property no more ATV tracks on my land :) If I bring out the big gun I have been using Magtech .50 BMG right from the box it comes in. Every thing i pick up comes with a Dry-Storage Box.
Neyro7830 Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.18 22:08:00 - [123] so from this thread we can safely assume this pyrhus guy and this alchemist zemond guy are complete idiots and have no idea what they are talking about? cool Also, just applied for my CCR license, intend to start collecting vintage pre-WW2 bolt action rifles. Starting with a hex reciever Mosin Nagant... err I mean Deadly Sniper Assault Cannon. And I guess I have to start killing people with it because thats the only thing you can use guns for.
Lai Nat	Posted - 2010.02.18 22:37:00 - [124] Originally by: Fumitsugu Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Wait what? More guns = more murders and gun crime? Just melt all your civvies' guns, introduce firearms restrictions, and boom, no need to carry guns any more. And I wouldn't have to listen to yanks solemnly discussing "home security". Just saying. Flame away And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons. HOORAY! Here Mr. Criminal Man, please take whatever you want from my house. Oh? You have a gun too? Well, take my car too! I'd rather have armed citizens than helpless ones.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 23:59:00 - [125] Originally by: Lai Nat And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons. Like every other civilized country on the planet? The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 00:16:00 - [126] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Lai Nat And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons. Like every other civilized country on the planet? The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding. So riddle me this then batman. If you are saying that law abiding citizens with guns do not have any effect on gun death because its the criminals who are doing the shooting then why is it such an issue if a law abiding citizen owns a gun? So what possible positive gain could be had by denying said law abiding citizen from some measure of self defence? The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 00:22:00 - [127] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Lai Nat And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons. Like every other civilized country on the planet? The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding. So riddle me this then batman. If you are saying that law abiding citizens with guns do not have any effect on gun death because its the criminals who are doing the shooting then why is it such an issue if a law abiding citizen owns a gun? So what possible positive gain could be had by denying said law abiding citizen from some measure of self defence? The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding. Are you saying that you fellate large Puerto Ricans every night? (see, I can completely make up 'quotes' too!) Citizens with guns do have an effect. Quote: Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Please, refute the numbers instead of making strawmen.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 00:35:00 - [128] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Are you saying that you fellate large Puerto Ricans every night? Eww of course not and quit projecting your personal fantasys on innocent forum residents please. Quote: Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Please, refute the numbers instead of making strawmen. Homicides all committed by criminals mostly on other criminals or in the rare cases of fatal domestic violence. So I'm still not seeing the connection to armed law abiding citizens or how those gun homicide numbers could be reduced by takeing guns away from people who never shoot them in acts of personal violence. Remember you said you can't confiscate the criminals guns because they are criminals and don't register their firearms with the authorities. So put down the blunt mate its causing your neurons to missfire and for gods sake don't leave your basement in that condition. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 00:42:00 - [129] Then why the enormous discrepancy? Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.02.19 00:44:00 - [130] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Then why the enormous discrepancy? Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes? SAY IT AINT SO JOE. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 00:48:00 - [131] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Then why the enormous discrepancy? Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes? SAY IT AINT SO JOE. Top secret hint: The answer is in the question! (but questions are for LIEberal hippies )
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:01:00 - [132] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Then why the enormous discrepancy? Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes? Because we have a much higher base population with a mish mash of different immigrant races who don't always get along even with each other and a border that has moar holes than your head that lets in lots of immigrant criminals who have no issues popping a cap in the competition. Call me back when legitimate gun owners who do not contribute to those stats actually start contributing to those stats. What you are doing is confusing a rather bad social issue of our moar robust criminal element with illegal guns with the non issue of our peaceful and law abiding citizens who legaly own guns. So again please spell out how banning honest citizens from owning guns will change that number to a lower number. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:12:00 - [133] Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 01:13:12 Canada also has a mishmash of different races, and a more lax border than America. In fact, I've heard Britain has some of those violent brown people as well. By your logic, Canada should be an absolute slaughterhouse (it's not).
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:22:00 - [134] Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 01:23:20 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 01:13:12 Canada also has a mishmash of different races, and a more lax border than America. In fact, I've heard Britain has some of those violent brown people as well. By your logic, Canada should be an absolute slaughterhouse (it's not). I said its a social issue. Does one countrys social issues mean all of them have to have it because they share certain generic immigrant and border problems that all countries face? Also Canada mostly borders polar bears and loner mid western guncrazy types who don't stray far from home. Plus Canada never had the disasterous open door policy the US had after WW2 that still echos with violence to this day from everyone dumping their violent criminals and insane ward patients on us. The US on the other hand has this godawful open border with mexico that lets in all the ultra violent drug dealers from south america into its citys. The worst ultra violent border crossers Canada has to suffer is drunken americans at a hockey game. Which is an entierly different social issue. So keep poasting mate so I can keep rolling over you as this is kinda fun. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:26:00 - [135] Originally by: Zeba Plus Canada never had the disasterous open door policy the US had after WW2 that still echos with violence to this day. I'm sorry, I think you just said that Canada didn't have open door immigration after WW2.
Achbar Noir	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:30:00 - [136] Home defense rocks..... If you don't understand this, I really feel sorry for you. Enjoy your "At the Mercy of the Whims of the privledged few" life. The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country. Who knows, they might soon find out how ****ed we are.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:31:00 - [137] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Zeba Plus Canada never had the disasterous open door policy the US had after WW2 that still echos with violence to this day. I'm sorry, I think you just said that Canada didn't have open door immigration after WW2. I said the disasterous open door policy. Noone had any issues with Canada at that time or even now as far as I know but lots of people had much beef with the US so they sent all their human refuse to our shores not Canada's. And I am still waiting for your explanation on how taking away an honest citizens gun will reduce illegal gun crime. So keep poastin. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:32:00 - [138] Originally by: Achbar Noir The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country. The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:36:00 - [139] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Achbar Noir The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country. The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public. Now ur just trollin.. Oh wait a sec. Bellum? Is that you? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:50:00 - [140] Originally by: Zeba And I am still waiting for your explanation on how taking away an honest citizens gun will reduce illegal gun crime. So keep poastin. In countries where there are fewer guns in circulation, there is less gun crime. It follows that restricting the sale and ownership of guns in the United States will reduce gun crime ("illegal gun crime" is a tautology). For evidence, please see the statistics that have been posted many many times in this very thread. So point 1: easier access to guns correlates to more gun crime. You argue that people have a right to guns in order to defend themselves. This line of thinking has led to easily available guns in the United States(see point 1 for the consequences). Does legitimate gun ownership prevent deaths and protect property. Yes. Yes it does. I do not dispute this point. However, is it an effective means to prevent deaths and protect property. No, it is not. Despite having a well armed populace, America has a murder rate many times higher than the UK or similar countries, and an enormous percentage of these murders are caused by guns. Criminals in the UK and Canada still have guns, criminals will always have guns. Again, this is a point I do not dispute. However, Canada and the UK have fewer guns, and fewer gun crimes. We can come to only one conclusion, point 2: Any self-defense benefit of legitimate gun ownership is mitigated by point 1. You are attacking a strawman by suggesting that gun control means taking away "honest citizen's" guns. When it actually means controlling or restricting the access that ordinary citizen's have to guns. Your gun, indeed any legally purchased and owned guns, would be grandfathered in, as they are in Canada in the UK. Just to reiterate the two points that are blindingly obvious to most civilized nations: 1. Restricted access to guns correlates to lower murder rates and gun crime. 2. Any self-defense benefit of easy access to guns is mitigated (indeed, obliterated) by point 1. If legitimate gun ownership is an effective and reasonable means of self-defense, why isn't the murder and gun crime rate in America lower?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:55:00 - [141] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 01:41:57 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Achbar Noir The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country. The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public. Now ur just trollin.. Oh wait a sec. Bellum? Is that you? edit: or is it arvald.. Ohh... OUCH Zeba! Ouch! LOL! -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:13:00 - [142] Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 02:15:30 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi So point 1: easier access to guns correlates to more gun crime. This is a fair point and the reason we have such stringent gun control laws by our standards. But the problem is that even if you shut down all the arms makers they would just skip across the border to mexico and then be able to supply the ultra violent criminals directly to stay in business. The only reason we have so many arms makers located domestically is because we have so many gun owners so the profits are better to base in america. So the net effect would be the criminals would still have access to guns due to how easy it is to get stuff across the border and honest citizens would no longer have a defence if the worst happend. Great solution you have there. You should immigrate and run for office. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi If legitimate gun ownership is an effective and reasonable means of self-defense, why isn't the murder and gun crime rate in America lower? Because of all the other issues unique to this country that have not a thing to do with guns that I sketched out in one of my replys above that you ignored and simply went context whoor on me by picking out an irrelevant bit and ad hominem attacked. So if by some miracle god banished every pistol and rifle in america the very same people would just start using bats and chains and knives to kill each other giving us the exact same death rate by homicide only with "Bowie Knife" as the main cause of death. OMG ban Bowie Knives. Also you keep convieninently forgetting the massive amount of crime an armed america prevents. Without an armed general citizenry the numbers would be even worse though tbh I think you are misreading the actual impact on daily life in the US those numbers actually convey. I'm well into my middle age and have yet to see any violence personally ever. Noone I have ever known has ever personally seen these fatal shootouts that by your tone seem to be a daily occourance we all have to watch out for. So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news. So yet again please explain how taking away the gun rights of honest citizens will drop the murder rate. You fail sir. But I 07 your trolling abilities. So keep poasting. Originally by: Bellum Eternus Ohh... OUCH Zeba! Ouch! LOL! I've witnessed your work before.. Just had a familiar ring to it was all and I did finger arvald too so nyah. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:22:00 - [143] Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 02:26:22 Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 02:23:42 Originally by: Zeba Also you keep convieninently forgetting the massive amount of crime an armed america prevents. THIS IS STATISTICALLY FALSE Quote: So yet again please explain how taking away the gun rights of honest citizens will drop the murder rate. The same way it has in most civilized nations! You have been confronted with evidence that more guns correlates to more gun crime, and that an armed populace does not mitigate crime. Your only refutation is that "America is unique" and "it's all the immigrants fault". There is not a :psyduck: big enough. edit: **** it. It's good enough for me that I don't live in fear of my fellow citizens. Enjoy your self-imposed police state. You are literally so terrified of each other that you have created a virtual panopticon and armed yourselves.
Higgs Bison	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:35:00 - [144] Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00 Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30 Originally by: Zeba So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news. Serious question: If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection? edited because I'm terrible at bb tags
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:44:00 - [145] Originally by: Higgs Bison Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00 Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30 Originally by: Zeba So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news. Serious question: If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection? edited because I'm terrible at bb tags Do you have a fire extinguisher in your residence? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Higgs Bison	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:55:00 - [146] Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:57:00 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Higgs Bison Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00 Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30 Originally by: Zeba So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news. Serious question: If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection? edited because I'm terrible at bb tags Do you have a fire extinguisher in your residence? This link indicates that there were 1.5 million fires in 2008. This link says there were 16.204 murders. Again, a serious question (since the last 3 pages have been trolling), at what rate do you feel it necessary to be prepared? Since the incidence of fires is obviously much higher than murders, is there a threshold for assaults or murders below which you would feel safe without a gun? edit again: There is really no way I could word this without it sounding like baiting . I'm genuinely curious because I live in a country that has completely contrary views on guns compared to America.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:59:00 - [147] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi In countries where there are fewer guns in circulation, there is less gun crime. It follows that restricting the sale and ownership of guns in the United States will reduce gun crime ("illegal gun crime" is a tautology). For evidence, please see the statistics that have been posted many many times in this very thread. So point 1: easier access to guns correlates to more gun crime. You argue that people have a right to guns in order to defend themselves. This line of thinking has led to easily available guns in the United States(see point 1 for the consequences). Does legitimate gun ownership prevent deaths and protect property. Yes. Yes it does. I do not dispute this point. However, is it an effective means to prevent deaths and protect property. No, it is not. Despite having a well armed populace, America has a murder rate many times higher than the UK or similar countries, and an enormous percentage of these murders are caused by guns. Criminals in the UK and Canada still have guns, criminals will always have guns. Again, this is a point I do not dispute. However, Canada and the UK have fewer guns, and fewer gun crimes. We can come to only one conclusion, point 2: Any self-defense benefit of legitimate gun ownership is mitigated by point 1. You are attacking a strawman by suggesting that gun control means taking away "honest citizen's" guns. When it actually means controlling or restricting the access that ordinary citizen's have to guns. Your gun, indeed any legally purchased and owned guns, would be grandfathered in, as they are in Canada in the UK. Just to reiterate the two points that are blindingly obvious to most civilized nations: 1. Restricted access to guns correlates to lower murder rates and gun crime. 2. Any self-defense benefit of easy access to guns is mitigated (indeed, obliterated) by point 1. If legitimate gun ownership is an effective and reasonable means of self-defense, why isn't the murder and gun crime rate in America lower? When you look at the total premature death rate in the US and then look at what percentage gun related deaths is of that, then you will see how little your argument really matters. Guns deaths are such an insignificant percentage of the actual premature death rate it is not even funny. Yes crime sucks, but what really will taking guns out of the hands of non criminals really accomplish? Maybe a .5% decrease in the US death rate if you are even remotely lucky. The issue is not guns it is the numerous other social issues the US fails at working out. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.19 03:08:00 - [148] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi THIS IS STATISTICALLY FALSE Orly? Well in that case, THIS IS.. AMERICA! Prove it conclusively with hard facts and numbers from legitimate sources. Otherwise admit its just your foreign never 'actualy been to america for longer than it took to hop on the connecting flight to the bahamas' personal opinion which like all personal foreign national opinions mean nothing to me. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi The same way it has in most civilized nations! You have been confronted with evidence that more guns correlates to more gun crime, and that an armed populace does not mitigate crime. Your only refutation is that "America is unique" and "it's all the immigrants fault". Well the hard truth is that for america it is. Most other countries in the world are of a mostly single race even though they still like to divide it up into subclasses to justify killing their fellow man. Like for instance what happened in iraq before and after the first war. They all looked like arabs to me on tv but apparently something about what specific branch of the single religion they all worshiped made some of them 'infidels' to be gassed en mass by its government down to the last man women or helpless child in the vile heathens village. And thats just when you have a near monoculture. In america we have vastly different cultures all living in close proximity the majority of which recently came from a third world country with violence as a daily threat to life like our african and south american immigrants who brought their legacy of using ultra violence to solve problems with them to our moastly civilized shores. Even then the vast majority of them live a peaceful and productive life as they adjust to the easy living in america its just that when violence is what you were raised on and tempers flare its it tends to go right for the head shot. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi There is not a :psyduck: big enough. For me? Absolutely not as I stay informed about what goes on around me without injecting personal bias into the analysis of the gathered information. However you seem to have little resistance. Sorry about that mate. Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi edit: **** it. It's good enough for me that I don't live in fear of my fellow citizens. Enjoy your self-imposed police state. Much like most players don't get the goons most countries don't get america. We Don't Really Care About What YOU Think. You look at stats and lists and make judgment calls about 'whoa look at that we are sooooo much better moraly than them because even though we still have violent murderers stalking the land the fact that they are forced to use knives and bats makes us superiour so take that you barbaric yankees'. Otoh when a non american makes his opinion about america known all we see is another chump falling for the same crap chumps always fall for and then saying it tastes great too. There is no police state in america. There is no rampant violent crime that has our citizens cowering in fear. There is nothing but sunny days and fun for all except the the very small minority of people for whom an honest living is too boring and passe' so they spice it up with a life of crime instead of honest work. I think I know what is the real issue though. America is much like eve in that it is a huge friggin sandbox that you can live pretty much any way you like as long as you don't get caught no matter what side of good or evil you may reside on.. We also have this cultural worship thing about firearms too that seem to frighten and annoy our friends across the pond so I'll leave you with this comment. Carebears. The lot of you.* Disclaimer. If you are a non american reading this poast don't get your knickers in a bind as I realize that the vast majority of you are just normal peace loving folks who like to live like a normal rational person. You were not the target of my poast. Originally by:* Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.19 03:22:00 - [149] I read a Bellum-thread and there is no blaster whine? WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?!
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.19 04:14:00 - [150] Originally by: Higgs Bison This link indicates that there were 1.5 million fires in 2008. This link says there were 16.204 murders. Again, a serious question (since the last 3 pages have been trolling), at what rate do you feel it necessary to be prepared? Since the incidence of fires is obviously much higher than murders, is there a threshold for assaults or murders below which you would feel safe without a gun? edit again: There is really no way I could word this without it sounding like baiting . I'm genuinely curious because I live in a country that has completely contrary views on guns compared to America. The issue, as I see it, is that people like yourselves apply some sort of difference or stigma towards firearms in comparison to something more mundane like a hammer or a wrench, or indeed, a fire extinguisher. Any of them can be a weapon or a tool depending on how they're implemented by the person wielding them. Have you ever personally had a fire where you needed a fire extinguisher and didn't have one? If that ever happens to you, you'll never be without one again. The odds of being attacked by another person are higher than that of being struck by lightning, but I don't sit out in the middle of a field during a lightning storm just because it's not likely to happen. It's not fear that drives most people to carry a weapon. It's common sense. The funny part is that most people who wouldn't consider carrying a weapon usually come close to being assaulted and don't even know it because they don't recognize it when they see it. It's similar to how people who have never used drugs or never been drunk don't recognize people who are on the stuff and being subtle about it. Most people are simply too ignorant to see it. So to answer your question, at what rate do I feel it necessary to be prepared? If the risk is greater than zero, it's a problem. and for the record, I've been assaulted by criminals more than once in my life, and not for lack of trying to maintain a safe environment. Few countries are as large as the United States. Most of our states are larger than a lot of countries in the world. The murder rate per person IMO isn't a linear thing with respect to population centers and population density. Further, I think that simple statistics without context are meaningless anyway. I know far more people who's lives have been protected due to firearms than those who have been harmed. Firearms are like anything else- cars, knives, golf clubs. Anyone who is incompetent or malevolent can turn any of them into a lethal instrument. It depends entirely on the person, not the object. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Sobach Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.02.19 07:17:00 - [151] To stay on topic, I carry Speer GD in 147gr. for my P226 9mm, happy with the performance so far. To the naysayers... well, it always feels like they live in some sort of imaginary world where the gun is the reason why people are killed, so they think that by taking the gun away, you solve the problem. Too bad in the real world, there's a person behind every gun that kills someone, and that person isn't gonna suddenly decide not to kill just because he/she doesn't have a gun. All those spousal-killings, do you seriously think one couldn't simply slit the other person's throat while they're asleep? or bludgeon them to death with a hammer or any other blunt object? Do you think that guy who's robbing some poor dude will feel any worse about stabbing him in the heart rather than shooting him? No, there's no denying that gun makes killing people easier, it is what they're designed for after all. And this is exactly why there are more gun-related deaths in the US, why use a less-efficient tool when you can just use a gun? But the real question is, would the removal of guns have prevented those deaths from occuring? some yes, but I doubt it would for most, and yes, the bad guys would still have the guns. There's this little thing called the black market you see, and criminals can get stuff on it You're beyond naive if you think that doesn't happen. There are far more important socio-economic factors driving the homicide rates in the US, and they won't be solved by a ban that's not gonna be enforceable. And no, I don't feel unsafe if I'm out without my weapon, nor do I feel particularly safer when I do have my weapon. I know and respect my firearm for what they can and cannot do, but there's no denying that when I do have it with me, I have more tactical options available should the occasion ever arise.
Costomojin Snakes and Arrows	Posted - 2010.02.19 09:12:00 - [152] "A gun in the hands of a bad man is a danger to everyone, a gun in the hand of a good man is only a danger to bad men." - Charlton Heston

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