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Swirler
Caldari Foundation Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.02.16 15:51:00 -
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Twice now eve players have witnessed the destruction of the two most powerful alliances having ever existed, being brought down by the actions of one player. If you haven't figured it out by now, there is no real point to playing eve anymore as this continues to happen. No sense in putting in the hours to have one person wreck the game for everyone. Time to end your subscriptions people. Can I have your stuff? " You will pay the price for your lack of vision." - Emperor Palpatine.
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Paridoth
Caldari United Kings R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:07:00 -
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first?
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Shmak DatAsh
Caldari GREAT EXPECTATIONS Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:10:00 -
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second.. U mad??
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Cors
Gallente It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:28:00 -
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If you feel so strongly, you could start and run a groundswell movement to have the way alliance's work changed by CCP.
Asking them to make a new type of corp, say an Executor corp, where each member automagically gets an equal share of the corps Shares. Where it's setup so no one person can kick corps, nor access the wallets, nor move assets, without 3, 6, or all members click on a window that says yes.
CLICK kick corp.
Window pops up for every online char in the corp "Do you wish to kick corp XXX from alliance YYY?" "HUH WTF...NO!" CLICK NO.
Disband alliance.. CLICK "Do you wish to disband the XXX alliance?" "HUH WTF.... NO!" CLICK NO
done. Same with corp wallet. You could have it setup so if the ammount of isk withdrawn in a day exceeds say 5 bil, it takes the approval of a certain % or number of the members in the corp.
This is the way corps SHOULD have been setup in the first place.
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Shmak DatAsh
Caldari GREAT EXPECTATIONS Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:33:00 -
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i agree to an extent.. Directors should have fairly limited access in the sense where it takes a vote or such, but the CEO should stay as is IMHO.
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Estios
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:36:00 -
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You should start a series of threadnoughts about it and post negative EVE reviews all over the web thus driving new players away if you feel strongly about it.
This is how 1 of the 'most powerful alliances' ever would recomend you approach it.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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128th ABC123
Caldari Eve Liberation Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Swirler Twice now eve players have witnessed the destruction of the two most powerful alliances having ever existed, being brought down by the actions of one player. If you haven't figured it out by now, there is no real point to playing eve anymore as this continues to happen. No sense in putting in the hours to have one person wreck the game for everyone. Time to end your subscriptions people. Can I have your stuff?
Looking at how much time and effort it takes to actually get places as an alliance in this game, it is rather astounishing how easily it can all be laid to waste...
I agree that being too overly trusting or simply sloppy with your security should have some consequences, but 1 person having the ability to bring down some of the biggest alliances in Eve with a "selfdestruct button" is a bit over the top.
Most people are in Eve for the longhaul 2 years +, it be nice if CCP provided some more measures for people to safeguard the hard work they put into it.
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Nocturnal Avenger
Minmatar x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Swirler Time to end your subscriptions people. Can I have your stuff?
Nice twist
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:10:00 -
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Or you can simply not be a Ret*rd, moving only what you need, to alliance held 0.0. Holding the majority of your unused assets in your alliances staging systems (usually low sec system) so if sh*t hits the fan, your not broke, with billions upon billions of isk worth of ships/fittings/pos mods/etc stuck some place you cant get to it....but that makes too much sense, so I'm sure most will ignore the idea and continue to ***** about assets being "stuck" places.
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Shmak DatAsh
Caldari GREAT EXPECTATIONS Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nostradamous Or you can simply not be a Ret*rd, moving only what you need, to alliance held 0.0. Holding the majority of your unused assets in your alliances staging systems (usually low sec system) so if sh*t hits the fan, your not broke, with billions upon billions of isk worth of ships/fittings/pos mods/etc stuck some place you cant get to it....but that makes too much sense, so I'm sure most will ignore the idea and continue to ***** about assets being "stuck" places.
U so smart sexy
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CBBOMBERMAN
Gallente Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 16/02/2010 19:15:47
Originally by: Swirler Twice now eve players have witnessed the destruction of the two most powerful alliances having ever existed, being brought down by the actions of one player. If you haven't figured it out by now, there is no real point to playing eve anymore as this continues to happen. No sense in putting in the hours to have one person wreck the game for everyone. Time to end your subscriptions people. Can I have your stuff?
I think u are wrong. The problems is in who you put into leadership. I think the current systems works well. And i would say Goons would say the same. After all for many years they have taken full advantage of that feature and some reasonable good alliances have fallen due to Goons exploit of it. But karma is karma. There are some leaders out there that wouldnt do the disaband and take all. The problem is as a team mate says. "How do you trust one person where everyone in the alliance is a thief?" You simply cant. There are so many large alliances out there that lasted longer and no such issues. The issue is in the process of selecting a leader and who you selects them. I dont particularly believe that Goons method on who puts the best post becomes a leader is a good option . Seems that history has proved me right. But beyond that its unecessary to do so cos if you are gonna fix that then why then have ability to can flip in high sec or been able to cloak indefenetly without been scanable? We would be fighting over every small thing that people agree or disagree with. CCP Fix the lag and leave it as it is!!
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Ziley
Amarr Altless Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 19:51:00 -
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ex-SOT tears, best tears
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Nobani
Minmatar Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.16 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN I think u are wrong. The problems is in who you put into leadership. I think the current systems works well. And i would say Goons would say the same.
Pet peeve: There are no "Goons". There are people, who have different opinions about many things.
EVE needs better corp management tools. You should only be able to accomplish some actions (e.g. alliance disband) through a vote of the full Board of Directors. You should be able to require countersigning on transactions, either through an actual countersigning mechanism, or a similar system involving more fine-grained wallet control[1]. POS permissions need more fine-tuning -- you should be able to set up a POS so people from your alliance or even other alliances can use JB without entering the password. You should be able to let people from other alliances add LO to a jump bridge. You should be able to separate anchoring/unanchoring permissions, and separate POS permissions from TCU permissions. Etc, etc.
Basically you should be allowed to commit suicide, but you shouldn't be forced to hold a gun to your head.
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CBBOMBERMAN
Gallente Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2010.02.16 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nobani
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN I think u are wrong. The problems is in who you put into leadership. I think the current systems works well. And i would say Goons would say the same.
Pet peeve: There are no "Goons". There are people, who have different opinions about many things.
EVE needs better corp management tools. You should only be able to accomplish some actions (e.g. alliance disband) through a vote of the full Board of Directors. You should be able to require countersigning on transactions, either through an actual countersigning mechanism, or a similar system involving more fine-grained wallet control[1]. POS permissions need more fine-tuning -- you should be able to set up a POS so people from your alliance or even other alliances can use JB without entering the password. You should be able to let people from other alliances add LO to a jump bridge. You should be able to separate anchoring/unanchoring permissions, and separate POS permissions from TCU permissions. Etc, etc.
Basically you should be allowed to commit suicide, but you shouldn't be forced to hold a gun to your head.
lol now this is funny. A Goon member talking his way out of disbanding alliance. This is so stereotypical Goon. All is fine as long as its beneficiates them, but as soon things go south, its got to change. This is so cynical.
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Tiberizzle
Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership
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Posted - 2010.02.16 20:28:00 -
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confirming that Eve pretty much sucks
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nobani
Originally by: Nostradamous Or you can simply not be a Ret*rd, moving only what you need, to alliance held 0.0. Holding the majority of your unused assets in your alliances staging systems (usually low sec system) so if sh*t hits the fan, your not broke, with billions upon billions of isk worth of ships/fittings/pos mods/etc stuck some place you cant get to it....but that makes too much sense, so I'm sure most will ignore the idea and continue to ***** about assets being "stuck" places.
If the best practice is "don't live in 0.0", I think something's broken with null-sec.
Please show me where I stated that? I merely said don't put all you eggs in one basket...seems simple to me.
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Nobani
Minmatar Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.16 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nostradamous
Originally by: Nobani
If the best practice is "don't live in 0.0", I think something's broken with null-sec.
Please show me where I stated that? I merely said don't put all you eggs in one basket...seems simple to me.
Originally by: Nostradamous Or you can simply not be a Ret*rd, moving only what you need, to alliance held 0.0. Holding the majority of your unused assets in your alliances staging systems (usually low sec system) so if sh*t hits the fan, your not broke, with billions upon billions of isk worth of ships/fittings/pos mods/etc stuck some place you cant get to it....
GoonSwarm had the majority of their assets in two staging systems in conquerable 0.0 space -- a subcap staging system and major market NOL, and the cap staging system J-L. From what I read, you're suggesting we should have put our market hub and staging systems in either NPC 0.0 or low-sec. For me this is not living in 0.0, and if this is the best practice, something is broken about 0.0.
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nobani
GoonSwarm had the majority of their assets in two staging systems in conquerable 0.0 space -- a subcap staging system and major market NOL, and the cap staging system J-L. From what I read, you're suggesting we should have put our market hub and staging systems in either NPC 0.0 or low-sec. For me this is not living in 0.0, and if this is the best practice, something is broken about 0.0.
So living in 0.0 means you cant have assets in low sec? I didn't say anything about markets, if you have items to sell, of course you move it to where you plan to sell it (aka alliance market hubs), and my "don't put all your eggs in one basket" comment wasn't intended to apply to corporations and alliances (as in what happened to goons, or almost any alliance that has lost space), just to individual players. If I had 25 battle ships (and assuming i'm not so bad as to lose more then 5 in a day) there isn't a reason to move all 25 to 0.0. Especially if i do my own logistics, which would allow me to freely move what i need when i need it.
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Marcus Ratz
Minmatar Rubicon Vanguard Emergence.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Swirler
No sense in putting in the hours to have one person wreck the game for everyone.
Everyone? He didn't wreck the game for me.
Now if someone in CCP management were to say, run off to Rio with all the companies money, that would wreck the game for everyone. Well, even then, perhaps not everyone, you sound as if you'd be happy if that happened.
Besides, this sort of thing happens in RL. Remember Bernie Madoff and his Ponzi Scheme.
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Nobani
Minmatar Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.16 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nostradamous
Originally by: Nobani
GoonSwarm had the majority of their assets in two staging systems in conquerable 0.0 space -- a subcap staging system and major market NOL, and the cap staging system J-L. From what I read, you're suggesting we should have put our market hub and staging systems in either NPC 0.0 or low-sec. For me this is not living in 0.0, and if this is the best practice, something is broken about 0.0.
So living in 0.0 means you cant have assets in low sec? I didn't say anything about markets, if you have items to sell, of course you move it to where you plan to sell it (aka alliance market hubs), and my "don't put all your eggs in one basket" comment wasn't intended to apply to corporations and alliances (as in what happened to goons, or almost any alliance that has lost space), just to individual players. If I had 25 battle ships (and assuming i'm not so bad as to lose more then 5 in a day) there isn't a reason to move all 25 to 0.0. Especially if i do my own logistics, which would allow me to freely move what i need when i need it.
I think most people are talking about alliance assets in this thread. I know that I, for one, lost very few personal assets when Delve fell. I had one or two BS in NOL, and that's pretty much it. Of course, I'm space broke, so I don't have very many assets to lose anyway.
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D'ceet
Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 22:59:00 -
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no, swirley, your opinion of the game is just misinformed.
also, am i still a ****? unblock me.
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Hahaha what the christ?!
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Ephemeron
Caldari Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.02.16 23:10:00 -
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I was under the impression that both of those alliances are still strong and kicking. Just their labels changed. The teams behind them stay.
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Graalum
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.16 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: D'ceet no, swirley, your opinion of the game is just misinformed.
also, am i still a ****? unblock me.
swirler still is
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Dr Ngo
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.02.17 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cors If you feel so strongly, you could start and run a groundswell movement to have the way alliance's work changed by CCP.
Asking them to make a new type of corp, say an Executor corp, where each member automagically gets an equal share of the corps Shares. Where it's setup so no one person can kick corps, nor access the wallets, nor move assets, without 3, 6, or all members click on a window that says yes.
CLICK kick corp.
Window pops up for every online char in the corp "Do you wish to kick corp XXX from alliance YYY?" "HUH WTF...NO!" CLICK NO.
Disband alliance.. CLICK "Do you wish to disband the XXX alliance?" "HUH WTF.... NO!" CLICK NO
done. Same with corp wallet. You could have it setup so if the ammount of isk withdrawn in a day exceeds say 5 bil, it takes the approval of a certain % or number of the members in the corp.
This is the way corps SHOULD have been setup in the first place.
I agree, and we should also get a similar notice every time someone broadcasts something because the FCs NEVER call the right targets
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Koronos
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nobani
EVE needs better corp management tools. You should only be able to accomplish some actions (e.g. alliance disband) through a vote of the full Board of Directors. You should be able to require countersigning on transactions, either through an actual countersigning mechanism, or a similar system involving more fine-grained wallet control[1]. POS permissions need more fine-tuning -- you should be able to set up a POS so people from your alliance or even other alliances can use JB without entering the password. You should be able to let people from other alliances add LO to a jump bridge. You should be able to separate anchoring/unanchoring permissions, and separate POS permissions from TCU permissions. Etc, etc.
This is unquestionably and obviously clear to anyone who plays in these areas of Eve and has been for a long time. It is amazing to me, (noting that I don't play in these areas anymore) that TCU permissions should equate to POS permissions. That is the worst kind of fail, and yet, it is exactly the kind of fail that we have had to deal with for years now if we want to still try to play this game.
I'm not necessarily subscribing to all of your points, but that part was well said. The key thing I think is that you should be able to configure things in these sorts of ways, not that you should be protected by failing to do so but you should have the option to protect yourself in some way other than limiting the ability to do anything to a small handful of people, which is incredibly difficult and problematic for a huge 0.0 alliance.
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Nemesis XIIII
Caldari Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:00:00 -
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I think everyone here is missing the main point of this thread... which is, he quoted something from Star Wars.
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Vengeance Black
Minmatar Nexus Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Swirler Twice now eve players have witnessed the destruction of the two most powerful alliances having ever existed, being brought down by the actions of one player. If you haven't figured it out by now, there is no real point to playing eve anymore as this continues to happen. No sense in putting in the hours to have one person wreck the game for everyone. Time to end your subscriptions people. Can I have your stuff?
lol **** did report instead of reply LOL
keep it short
ccp fail at AI combat and focus all the gameplay ON players.. and sheep who follow them
what happend to PLAYER vs CCP?
i mean the best you can give us is crappy rats? oh cmon wtf is concord? a bunch of useless muppets
WE WANT WAR GOD FKN DAMMIT big ones!!
unleash the beast ccp GIVE US WAR make us FEAR gates not use them because we are so fkn bord ****less they are eye candy
god i love this game but .. fk me its like world of warcraft now
and for all u in 0.0 .. dont u ever get bord of mesruing ur ****ing isk "****" ??
there is NO reason to go to war unless
1) EGO 2) ISK
were is the COMPUTER ? crappy tard rats oh boy
go play x3 or something.. atleast give us SOME computer wars and not CRAP ones \o/
rant/
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Nemesis XIIII
Caldari Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vengeance Black
Originally by: Swirler Twice now eve players have witnessed the destruction of the two most powerful alliances having ever existed, being brought down by the actions of one player. If you haven't figured it out by now, there is no real point to playing eve anymore as this continues to happen. No sense in putting in the hours to have one person wreck the game for everyone. Time to end your subscriptions people. Can I have your stuff?
lol **** did report instead of reply LOL
keep it short
ccp fail at AI combat and focus all the gameplay ON players.. and sheep who follow them
what happend to PLAYER vs CCP?
i mean the best you can give us is crappy rats? oh cmon wtf is concord? a bunch of useless muppets
WE WANT WAR GOD FKN DAMMIT big ones!!
unleash the beast ccp GIVE US WAR make us FEAR gates not use them because we are so fkn bord ****less they are eye candy
god i love this game but .. fk me its like world of warcraft now
and for all u in 0.0 .. dont u ever get bord of mesruing ur ****ing isk "****" ??
there is NO reason to go to war unless
1) EGO 2) ISK
were is the COMPUTER ? crappy tard rats oh boy
go play x3 or something.. atleast give us SOME computer wars and not CRAP ones \o/
rant/
The game is focused on players, that's the point....Lol.
PvP is fun, try it instead of roaming in Jita. I think RISK Online has cool player vs. AI stuff, try that.
That is all.
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5QU199L35
Minmatar L337 KR3W
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: 5QU199L35 on 17/02/2010 07:39:18 nope. stop sucking and u'll do better. (probably not, but o well)
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128th ABC123
Caldari Eve Liberation Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:25:00 -
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This was when Eve was still fun:
0.0 Experiment
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