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Mr Ravenblade
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.02.18 07:19:00 -
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Currently, we have the ability as players to right click a persons name and report them as isk sellers. It's a special selection, requires confirmation, and abuse is treated by GM's with appropriate harshness already.
So why do we not also have the ability for us as pilots to do the same 'right-click-report' with macro-ratters or micro-miners, in order to allow the player base to help monitor the greater community and protect EvE against macro-using isk-farmers?
It seems that this would also cut down on the RMT ccp has stated they despise, while also doing good to the markets by re-valuing isk verses minerals by creating a slight deflationary pressure to the majorly farmed mineral indexes; In short, good for everybody (Except Macro Users).
Oh, and before the macro-miners chime in to complain, my tactical uniform is Flame Proof and I carry an anti-troll device in my utility belt. - MRB |
Mr Ravenblade
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.02.18 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Ravenblade on 18/02/2010 07:53:56 Edited: accidental double post - MRB |
Grideris
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Grideris on 20/02/2010 13:54:57 Edited by: Grideris on 20/02/2010 13:51:28 I think that there might be a field under petition for this. The only reason that ISK spamming has a special function is that it also blocks you from any communications with that pilot.
Your motive is awesome, but I think it is already covered in game. Redundancy is bad. The only reason I would see this to be raised as a change is if you added some other feature that worked in tandem to kill those damn macro miners!
EDIT I just checked - there does not seem to be a category for this under petitions. As such, I retract my previous statement, and say, "Onwards to Assembly hall!"
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TheSlaveMaster
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Posted - 2010.02.21 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ravenblade Edited by: Mr Ravenblade on 18/02/2010 07:43:20 The rules say we ca discuss proposals here so here I go..
Currently, we have the ability as players to right click a persons name and report them as isk sellers. It's a special selection, requires confirmation, and abuse is treated by GM's with appropriate harshness already.
So why do we not also have the ability for us as pilots to do the same 'right-click-report' with macro-ratters or micro-miners, in order to allow the player base to help monitor the greater community and protect EvE against macro-using isk-farmers?
It seems that this would also cut down on the RMT ccp has stated they despise, while also doing good to the markets by re-valuing isk verses minerals by creating a slight deflationary pressure to the majorly farmed mineral indexes; In short, good for everybody (Except Macro Users).
Oh, and before the macro-miners chime in to complain, my tactical uniform is Flame Proof and I carry an anti-troll device in my utility belt.
Because way WAY to many would just miss use them. If some mine in their belts they report them as macro, if some AFK mine they report them as macro. If some have "auto reject" on they are macros.... CCP would get lik 2000 of these reports everyday, only 10 of these are correct macro miners.
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Iletia Alyve
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Posted - 2010.03.07 17:11:00 -
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LOLi personaly with my corp m8's can sit in a belt for hours mining chatting and goofing off in chat..however some wise *** could easily misconstrue that as micro-mining..so do you hace some special power that actualy allows you to guess who is a macro and who isn't..? ok so why spam ccp with unvarifiable fake petitions simply because we are mining :your belt".
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Redshirt I
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Posted - 2010.03.09 09:40:00 -
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macro miners don't bother me, even when I see 70+ ships sitting in a Ice feild. Isk farmers actually don't bother me either and it would seem that EVE actually does a pretty good job of finding and banning those players. However I do understand that wide spread farming can have adverse effects on a game so see the need for CCP to be active. If there is proof that a macro miner is an Isk farmer then ban the account.
I tried Ice mining for a while but quickly decided its not worth the effort. One field I was bothered quite often by the other "real" people who were very territorial of their ice field but the other one which was obviously a macro field didn't bother me once and I was able to try the Ice mining out. given the choice between chatty cathy's and mining bots, i preger the bots cause they leave everyone else alone.
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Slaveskin
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Posted - 2010.03.26 11:45:00 -
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Macro Miners are a pest, and I completely disagree with Redshirt. There is no use of mining ice cause the macro miners are ruining the market for it by mining it 23/7. It was possible to do a bit of a profit, but compared to asteroids, not worth the time. Sure, they leave you alone, but if they wouldn't mine at all, no problem as well - just empty space where a macroer was before.
No macroers = more people who need to actively play = healthier market.
The real problem is how to find a balance between spamming CCP gms and finding out who is a real macroer, cause there is no absolute 100% chance you can tell (even if you can guess very nicely). Also, the problem is that CCP doesn't really want to get rid of macroers, cause they are paid accounts. Money rules.
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Jeep Rubicon
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Posted - 2010.03.29 16:32:00 -
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If the new planet options give us POS fuel alternatives then Ice mining should take a huge dive. Although this won't stop isk farmers, they will just move on to something else. Hopefully planet management won't be so easily automated.
Are ice prices really effected by the macro miners? Even with the falling prices now, the current price is 1.5-2 times what they were a year ago. Also looking at the yearly graph it looks like ice prices are in their usual cyclic range, falling in price for another month or two then back up again. I am sure some MD or SI guys have explanations for this but if macro miners are flooding the market how come the price isn't always low?
Jeep
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Badacid
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Posted - 2010.04.18 22:40:00 -
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Personally i hate bots they ruin the belts for us honest miners , ive just come back to empire space after awhile in 0.0 to find it worse then ever before with em. ok so we can partition to eve to report the miner, but as said before this is a paying account and what are ccp goina do as money talks. Personally i think we should have the option of reporting them and once this has been succesfully investigated we should get kill rights on that player
ALL them in favour say i
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Manip Ulater
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Posted - 2010.04.19 08:14:00 -
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I see two reasons why this is a bad idea.
When u report an isk spammer, it most likely logs system, and probably copies the chatlog from local. If you end up reporting a raven in 0.0 that cloaks when u enter the system. There's nothing saying that it's not just someone watching local. Or paying attention to scanner, which is the only way to successfully make isk ratting in null sec.
Due to the fact that macros do the exact same actions a player would be doing the only way to seriously check whether it's a macro or human is if actions taken (locking, activating mods, warping) are done in an exact timed repetition way that CCP could justify as not being human.
The second thing I would mention is the ugly truth that the Eve Economy has grown accustomed to the existence of Macros. Ice Fuels, Minerals, and etc flow into eve because these macro's are running. Now I'm not condoning macro's just pointing out that the eve economy may well already be dependent on them. Minerals don't suddenly become more valuable without an adverse effect on the prices of other things.
Depending on the ratio of 'real' miners and 'macro' miners, this could have a major impact on the current balance to things, it could be positive, but most likely would be negative. 'Real' Miners wont suddenly be generating more minerals to fill the gap, and not a lot of people will suddenly go roid crazy.
Last thing is that this would just be used as a griefing tool. GMs have a terrible track record when it comes to actually investigating anything. If you want anything done you have to escalate for 2 or 3 weeks until you finally get to a senior GM just to get a decent answer. Adding a tool that will get people suspended/banned from playing this game with such a thing as macro use that requires a fairly in depth investigation is not something I would like to see implemented with the current GM Track Record for in depth analysis.
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