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Alterah
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Posted - 2010.02.19 06:04:00 -
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So, I've been reading over Eve: The Book. It mentions in there that the Amarr discovered warp first. Seems to me that with the Jovians being so advanced, that they may have actually discovered warp before the Amarr, but had no need to mention it. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.19 07:26:00 -
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The Warp Drive the empires use nowadays is still the Sotiyo-Urbaata Drive developed by the Caldari about two hundred years before the Gallente-Caldari war started.
The Amarr where among the first of the re-emerging civilisations who returned to space travel and that was 2000 years before that time, but they used giant sub-warp space ships and slowly colonised, or reclaimed their territory star by star.
The Jove are not among the re-emerging civilisations and it is unlikely they ever lost knowledge of the pre EVE gate collapse technology, so they still use the warp engine of ancient terran design, that is probably identical to the one the caldari developed much later.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.19 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 19/02/2010 09:16:51 Even the Jove might not have been first. There are lots of races that pre date the emerging civilisations and had warp drives or at least ways to move between systems. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.02.19 09:34:00 -
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I think some source stated that the Jove "experienced a very short Dark Age", so yes, they might still be using old Terran designed or evolution models of those designs. In the case of Jove and the ancient civilizations the exact line becomes a bit fuzzy: Which one of them are using recycled Terran technology, and which have indigenously rediscovered (or reverse engineered) the technology? (If I remember correctly, Amarr have had access to Terran jumpgates, both in the Amarr system as well as the ones that were operated by Minmatar pre-reclaiming.)
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.19 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alterah So, I've been reading over Eve: The Book. It mentions in there that the Amarr discovered warp first. Seems to me that with the Jovians being so advanced, that they may have actually discovered warp before the Amarr, but had no need to mention it. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
No, it says that the Amarr were the first of the post-collapse races to redevelop space travel.
The Jove never experienced the total societal meltdown that the rest of New Eden underwent. they didn't discover warp - they already had it. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Mephiston Lucius
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Posted - 2010.02.20 19:52:00 -
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well we left in "dark" on what happened just after eve gate collapsed.. i dont think there was joves or other "old" 5 race at that time they lost their core sources and than emerged to joves sleepers talicon etc.. than second the first 4or5 race gone to a war /in some old stories its been told jove and enduandi(keep forgettin the correct name..) in fight soo probably other 3 race lost after that war jove retreated to their current space and their "dark age" not like lossin tech its more likely they got a "plaque" which decimate their population /current angel cartel reverse their tech from abondoned jove setllements.. in south.. so jove and enduandi(!..) still most advanced races but at background.. i wonder who ascendants of who?.. its seems to me jove likes caldari so probably caldari's one of the "old" allied races of jove than joves helping minmatar too.. imo jove "old" caldari "old" minmatar was on the same team agaisnt others (okay i gone too far from op's question :p)
amarr first one to "rediscover" the warp tech in current 4 race than caldari (with help jove i believe) than rest
i'm sad about this CCP giving no backround stories about old races.. /i like history a lot :p
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:03:00 -
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Well, CCP has given pretty much what the current Empires would know. As a note, since Caldari and Gallente are "from" the same system, they likely developed warp/jump drives together. Would need to check timelines & old scientific article stuff for confirmation. (Those may be conflicting with each other, though. Old stuff is old.)
The Amarr, I believe, found a near-intact jumpgate in their system, something they could reverse engineer. The Minmatar apparently had no warp drives, resorting to use of mass drivers for interplanetary travel. For interstellar travel, they were the most lucky of them all, as their part of the Terran jumpgate network was intact for a few links. However, as they did not have warp drives, they could not break out from their systems. Before they were discovered by the Amarr, they were working on massive mass drivers capable of sending colony ships to other systems.
So, no. The only well-known gift from the Jove to the Caldari was the hydrostatic capsule. And only later that was coupled with mind burners to the effect of creating the immortal capsuleers. (It is suggested in the Theodicy novella that the Jove has other means of achieving immortality than mind burners - perhaps they've perfected backup scans or some other similar method, or just can have internal mind state recording implants.
On Jove contact: It is likely that the Jove discovered the Gallente-Caldari Federation earlier, but just didn't exactly need anything from them they couldn't get without a bargain. After all, the Jove apparently have such things as cloaking rookie ships, personal cloaking devices etc. Even when it is speculated that they chose to trade with the Caldari because the Caldari system might be similar to the pre-collapse megacorporations, even Jove don't live that long to remember - and noteworthily, they have removed most of their emotions and several behavior models by genetic manipulation. It is unlikely that they did trade the capsule for information just because they liked to cheer for the Caldari.
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Alterah
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Posted - 2010.02.25 05:06:00 -
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Yeah, that makes sense. You guys are most likely correct in that the Jove didn't lose all or any of their technology. They probably just had a massive population decrease and are recovering from that, while still holding onto their level of technology. This definitely accounts for why they are far more advanced than the current four races.
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.02.25 09:33:00 -
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The current Jove Directorate is actually their third post-collapse empire. That is, they've already imploded twice since the collapse. Assumed culprit is the Jovian disease - that is, during their golden age of the First Empire their genetic manipulation went too far and they broke something they can't fix. It is unknown how widespread it is, but it may be assumed that a significant fraction of the Jove carry genes that may trigger quite a terminal form of depression - in other words, as a side effect of removing their emotions, many Jove may get spontaneously so depressed that they lose their will to live. Usually this leads to the suicide of the individual, though within the recorded history there's at least one Jove admiral who went on a rampage as a result of an advanced phase of the "Jovian disease".
End result: While the Jove are likely still close to Terran technology on most fields and have even surpassed it on some, they are not recovering. Their race is dying.
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