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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:02:00 -
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Hi!
We are considering to seed super capitals (both super carriers and titans) on the markets on Singularity. We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages. Some from the QA team are still quite skeptical about it, but we are ready to give it a try.
It is clear, that some players will love and some others will hate it - but we don't know all the reasons for it and we have no idea how many are on which side. Please reply to this post if you have any opinion on it! Please also note it, if you think that any other changes need to be made in combination with this. Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks. I plan to keep this thread active for 2-3 days and then post a short summary (and maybe post a follow-up thread). Assuming that you are all for seeding super capitals then I'll put super capitals onto the market of 6-CZ49 and reevaluate the whole thing with the next mirror.
CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock Writing bug reports | Mass tests
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Chaotic Panda
Xicron Syndicate Tus Network
12
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:22:00 -
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I'd have to say I'm all for it, allow for more testing of the abilities (and disabilities) of corps that would not normally have this kind of access. |
Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
13
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:34:00 -
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I'm all for it because all the other ships in the game are available on the market. But do I see myself using the ships? Probably not. I am a firm believer of every non-unique item being available on the test server.
As for the PvP testing balance, it might be best to limit the use of Supers to their own system similar to that of the current subcap and cap PvP zones in SiSi Pew Pew Pew! |
Vin Ott
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:35:00 -
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Well it would be nice for those people who are always bitching about it, however after an while you will see that sisi can't really handle this amount of ships and stuff, also rage will come from those that get killed in one second even if their in a titan. |
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:36:00 -
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I am personally all for it Most people that I have talked to as well think this as well. Of course 6-cz49 will be flooded with super capitals, But considering that there is now PVH8 for sub capital PvP why shouldn't this happen? Let the fun ensue |
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:39:00 -
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Vin Ott wrote:Well it would be nice for those people who are always bitching about it, however after an while you will see that sisi can't really handle this amount of ships and stuff, also rage will come from those that get killed in one second even if their in a titan. Mind you the server wouldn't really crash, At the start it will be a total shitstorm but it will die out slowly |
Yonkami Tsujimoto
Wasted Prophets Sobriety Test Failures
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:44:00 -
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Yeah seed them. it would be awesome to be able to use them and also kill them more often. im totaly for the plan! |
Andrew Moretti
banda di ladri
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:44:00 -
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IM ALL FOR IT!!!! DO IT! |
Brett Mykle Skee
Black Nexus Proj3ct
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:46:00 -
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Im all for it, like jessica said there is pvh for people who dont want to die by a titan all the time and it will also stop people begging in local for supers 24/7 |
Austneal
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
27
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:46:00 -
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I originally thought this might be a bad idea.... But on second thought, why not? Most people who can fly supers have them / will build them on sisi anyway.
I say go for it. If it turns out to be a horrible mistake, they can always be taken off later |
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Comodore John
Wooly Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:16:00 -
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100% against.
Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.
The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.
You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.
Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.
To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.
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J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:20:00 -
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Comodore John wrote:100% against.
Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.
The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.
You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.
Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.
To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.
1. That was bad cause they gove everyone a 5m learning refund sp thats why it was bad 2.No 3.Unseed faction mods seed supers, It isn't a problem 4.Don't like it? go PVH8 its there for a reason. The speeding up of supers was stopped because of the work needed for ccp to speed the builds up that is all 5. And they don't do that already?
Anyways don't you have BH spawning you supers already? Why can't ccp do it for everyone |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
332
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:20:00 -
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Comodore John wrote:100% against.
Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.
The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.
You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.
Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.
To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.
With the non super system and the ability to expaned it if needed some people will spam and then what get bored and go home. Its when you say you will only have this ability for a day or two that it gets bad. |
Brett Mykle Skee
Black Nexus Proj3ct
12
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:20:00 -
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Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them
So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others |
Jonny Copper
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:21:00 -
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I believe it would be very beneficial for the following reasons. First, although mirror dates are never known, given the time to build them, people can get into them. Also, people find ways around it such as asking major TQ alliances etc. for them. It will also allow for further testing, and if it turns out to be a bad addition it can be taken away.
All for this! |
Vin Ott
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:21:00 -
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Ah I change my mind. ccp can seed supers and kill sisi more tears from sisi warriors makes me smile.
CJ tell the BH you got in your little group to spawn some ships for me ty. |
Beardponderer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:29:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Hi! We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.
You hit the nail on the head. Seeding them will be good for testing but bad for player testing (eventually).
CCP Habakuk wrote: Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.
Brett Mykle Skee wrote:Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others Well done.
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Tankn00blicus
sleep Deprivation INC. LLC The Skeleton Crew
8
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:31:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Assuming that you are all for seeding super capitals Sure.
Quote: then I'll put super capitals onto the market of 6-CZ49. NO, seed them in a dedicated system for them, and cyno jam 6-CZ49 (you can still buy regular caps in there for testing them there). |
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:33:00 -
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Beardponderer wrote:CCP Habakuk wrote:Hi! We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.
You hit the nail on the head. Seeding them will be good for testing but bad for player testing (eventually). CCP Habakuk wrote: Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.
Brett Mykle Skee wrote:Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others Well done. Atleast there is one good poster in DDL |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:53:00 -
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The obvious question is what needs testing for such ships? Certainly newer pilots would benefit from trying their unique mechanics, and perhaps some would like to experiment with new fits for future alliance ops approval, but they're not general everyday combat ships and afaik their use doctrines have barely changed for years (just some dps nerfs), so I agree they should be well clear (outside bridging range if possible) of the capital and subcaps testing systems.
If corps/alliances want to see how they perform un(der)supported vs regular caps and subcaps, they can organise 2 sides within their own alliance for such testing. Meanwhile aspiring individuals can just try them out to get a feel for them, all without their huge ability to disrupt the far more mainstream testing system & situations found there.
Judicious deployment of cynojammers in the current testing constellation, basically. |
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Russell4
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:55:00 -
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Seed them CCP.
The only people that are really gonna be against such actions will be the SiSi corps that just want to sit in a CA camping with their TQ supers. By seeding the supers you will allow others who may not be able to fly a super on TQ but are always attending the mass tests to feel the power of flying such massive bricks in space.
You could remove the faction and deadspace stuff from market seeds so that people who do fly these seeded supers will be restricted still in some way, it also makes it so people who own TQ supers on sisi (which are usually deadspace / faction / officer fit anyway) will still have their needed advantage. (Also makes for some pretty funny tech 2 fits IMO)
Like said above too, if people don't want to be titan / super carrier blobbed, the new system is always looking for new people...
/Russs |
fab24
Tax Fraud Corporation
17
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:06:00 -
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I think you don't look at your mistakes dear CCP, remember the armageddon days on sisi? Remember the armargeddon day WITH supers seeded? Server is totally going to be messed up. No more subcaps, just bad DD-less titans and lvl 3 motherships. Yay. Go to pvh? Tell me about the many fights that happen here.
More fun for us, less tests for other.
Jus' sayin'. Don't do that.
Take a second look at CJ's post. Ty. |
J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:19:00 -
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fab24 wrote:I think you don't look at your mistakes dear CCP, remember the armageddon days on sisi? Remember the armargeddon day WITH supers seeded? Server is totally going to be messed up. No more subcaps, just bad DD-less titans and lvl 3 motherships. Yay. Go to pvh? Tell me about the many fights that happen here.
More fun for us, less tests for other.
Jus' sayin'. Don't do that.
Take a second look at CJ's post. Ty. Jesus christ, That was so bad cause everyone had Level 5s, They didn't come on just to use titans and supers that day. How is that even relevant
It won't be as bad as that. As i said at the start alot of people will come on for it, Just like when the new T3s BCs were coming out there was 500 users all day for a while |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2463
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:46:00 -
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What is the problem you're trying to solve by introducing them to the market? You say the upsides outweigh the downsides, so I'd be interested in knowing what the upsides you envision are, because they aren't obvious from my point of view? You'll certainly get more "testing" done on them, but was there an issue with the lack of testing on supercaps? People lost their supercaps at such frequency, that they ran out constantly and therefore huge bugs got on TQ?
Let me be clear. I'm not against this change, but I'm not seeing any real upsides outside the obvious increased testing and use, while the various downsides are somewhat obvious. As time goes by and characters are skilled to access these new features through training and free skillpoint distribution, majority of testing increasingly focusing on ships and modules, that form the clear minority of use cases on TQ. Attracting more people who just want to play around instead of doing proper testing and bug reporting, which will ruffle some feathers and will require increased babysitting from CCP staff to manage. Increasing low quality/trash feedback on such ships, since the people who will be flying them on SiSi have little to no actual experience in their use on TQ. Nothing earth shakingly bad, but what is the good that comes from this?
Again it might be more easier to give constructive critique or complements about the proposal, if we knew your reasons behind the change. It's a bit hard to do, when you're not laying out your argument in the open about why you are thinking about implementing the change in the first place. |
Kein Echerie
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:49:00 -
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100% with this idea Seeded supers!.
1. New players can get a Chan's on using these things or players who never got to use them at all
2. CCP can seeded the supers at one of the regions like the drone region or others Eta.
and on the Note. COMODORE JOHN please shut up No one cares on what you say your corp is the only one who have supers in SIsi to play with and lose at the same time. or should I say a giant Corp who Rapes everything.
BTW "DDL" if this pass witch I hope. your NOT the only one who is going to have ton's of supers at their hands now just saying :)
Don't put everyone skills at lvl 5 that was the problem in the first place. "CCP" |
Leisen
The Empire of Libria
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:16:00 -
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Dat Wyvern.
(I'm for it.) |
JACKHARKNESS2
Jazz Associates Azgoths of Kria
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:20:00 -
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yes i agree ccp should bring super caps bk so people who cant make them can have a go of useing them |
bassie12bf1
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
29
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:30:00 -
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The subcaps only system is there for a reason, might aswell give the caps all the caps to play with. |
Kein Echerie
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:37:00 -
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IWolfMasterI
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:39:00 -
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yeah i'd like to see supers seeded on sisi, even if it were a temporary thing. We have a non cap fighting system so its not like peeps could get fights of sub cap level. |
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