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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:44:00 -
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For to long the Allaince bully boys have had it easy pushing around the little guy, getting rich for relatively low risk.
You were offered peace, you declined, now you are going to have to defend yourselves as an alliance. Bring your blobs to empire we will be waiting.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:44:00 -
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For to long the Allaince bully boys have had it easy pushing around the little guy, getting rich for relatively low risk.
You were offered peace, you declined, now you are going to have to defend yourselves as an alliance. Bring your blobs to empire we will be waiting.
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:45:00 -
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leave it at 1 mil a week. Its gonna be hard enough for a single corp to fight a ton of corps in an allaince anyway. Corps aern't gonna be able to afford to ever delcare war on an allaince if they gotta pay 50 mil a week.
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:45:00 -
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leave it at 1 mil a week. Its gonna be hard enough for a single corp to fight a ton of corps in an allaince anyway. Corps aern't gonna be able to afford to ever delcare war on an allaince if they gotta pay 50 mil a week.
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CYCLOPS
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:01:00 -
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Jeez you guys want it both ways!
Eve has always been about the big boys telling everyone else how to do business. Keeping the small corps and solo players out of 0.0 space so you can rack up the isk, ore and items then bring to nice safe empire to make even more isk off of the guys that can't do that.
For once the small guys have a level playing field and if you look at it from their point of view they have more of a chance of being hit in Empire as the Alliances have loads more players!
Stop whining and play the game. If you have a producing alt in an Alliance then have an alt in a non alliance corp and swap kit at boarders if you are too scared to risk venturing into empire.
If they change the amount to declare wars it will once again be ruled by the Alliances and all teh changes will be for nothing.
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CYCLOPS
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:01:00 -
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Jeez you guys want it both ways!
Eve has always been about the big boys telling everyone else how to do business. Keeping the small corps and solo players out of 0.0 space so you can rack up the isk, ore and items then bring to nice safe empire to make even more isk off of the guys that can't do that.
For once the small guys have a level playing field and if you look at it from their point of view they have more of a chance of being hit in Empire as the Alliances have loads more players!
Stop whining and play the game. If you have a producing alt in an Alliance then have an alt in a non alliance corp and swap kit at boarders if you are too scared to risk venturing into empire.
If they change the amount to declare wars it will once again be ruled by the Alliances and all teh changes will be for nothing.
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UltrA
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: UltrA on 28/11/2004 11:27:39 Gavin PUT up or SHUT up! Stop moaning youve had over a year of making isk you want to be a producer leave the alliance, my old corp are permantly based in empire and are all the directors are billionaires. If they can make it work SO can you! But you just want it both ways dont you???
Cy nice post dude.
UltrA
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UltrA
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: UltrA on 28/11/2004 11:27:39 Gavin PUT up or SHUT up! Stop moaning youve had over a year of making isk you want to be a producer leave the alliance, my old corp are permantly based in empire and are all the directors are billionaires. If they can make it work SO can you! But you just want it both ways dont you???
Cy nice post dude.
UltrA
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:25:00 -
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ok, here is a simple way to abuse the current system
Lets use CA for example.
They move some of their PVP oriented people into a new corp. That corp stays out of CA yet CA supplies them with ships, money and whatever they need. This corp declares war of the biggest alliances CA is at war with. They camp highway systems in empire and for only 1m per war per weeek they can funnel lots of valuables and money back into the CA. This could be used by all the alliances.
This could even be done by just simple alt corps so no one knows under what alliance that corp works under.
Its more effective to do it this way and not have to declare an official alliance to alliance war because keeping the war running is sooo much cheaper.
But regardless, it would be nice to get an official word from ccp on this, to say if this is how its supposed to be or if this is a bug.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:25:00 -
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ok, here is a simple way to abuse the current system
Lets use CA for example.
They move some of their PVP oriented people into a new corp. That corp stays out of CA yet CA supplies them with ships, money and whatever they need. This corp declares war of the biggest alliances CA is at war with. They camp highway systems in empire and for only 1m per war per weeek they can funnel lots of valuables and money back into the CA. This could be used by all the alliances.
This could even be done by just simple alt corps so no one knows under what alliance that corp works under.
Its more effective to do it this way and not have to declare an official alliance to alliance war because keeping the war running is sooo much cheaper.
But regardless, it would be nice to get an official word from ccp on this, to say if this is how its supposed to be or if this is a bug.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:29:00 -
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hell, come to think of this it might even force alliances to work together against empire corps and I'm sure no one wants that
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:29:00 -
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hell, come to think of this it might even force alliances to work together against empire corps and I'm sure no one wants that
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Kaiser
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:46:00 -
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The war is working as it should.
1) NONE obliges you to form an alliance. i repeat, NONE. It's YOUR decision.
2) Forming an Alliance has his own advantages. IF you think the advantages aren't enough for the disadvantages, simply do NOT form an alliance. Things are silly. ALliance that counts 3000 members complain cause at war with a corp of 30 people and still you want us t pay 200M a month for all your alt corps you fill the alliance with. One would think 2800 people would be more than enough to handle security in empire, IF you decide you want to remain in empire.
3) Claiming space was a CHOICE for the alliances. So now basically you are asking to have the right to kill anything you want in your space and still have Immunity when you go in empire (which is NOT your space anymore, you remember, you are a nation now).
If you want a war to cost money linked to the number of corps in alliance (which would be exploited and we would see FA with 60 corps or more), then let's add also, together with this rule: 1) that is an alliance ATTACK one single player of the corp in any system (included your 0.0 space) then the corp can declare war at ZERO cost since we have the casus belli. This way peaceful alliances who don't claim space and behave well have nothing to fear from pirates while others have to pay the price for their actions. 2) that an alliance must pay 1M*number of corp in alliance every week to remain active even at peace.
Cause you see, people who declares war to you are the ones you freely kill in 0.0 systems. You asking for a system which would be funny...you can kill whoever you want and by the sheer number of your alt corps you would make your enemies pay insane money. Since with new system we can't declare wars to single corps anymore, you basically asking to have immunity to wars. nice try though
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Kaiser
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:46:00 -
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The war is working as it should.
1) NONE obliges you to form an alliance. i repeat, NONE. It's YOUR decision.
2) Forming an Alliance has his own advantages. IF you think the advantages aren't enough for the disadvantages, simply do NOT form an alliance. Things are silly. ALliance that counts 3000 members complain cause at war with a corp of 30 people and still you want us t pay 200M a month for all your alt corps you fill the alliance with. One would think 2800 people would be more than enough to handle security in empire, IF you decide you want to remain in empire.
3) Claiming space was a CHOICE for the alliances. So now basically you are asking to have the right to kill anything you want in your space and still have Immunity when you go in empire (which is NOT your space anymore, you remember, you are a nation now).
If you want a war to cost money linked to the number of corps in alliance (which would be exploited and we would see FA with 60 corps or more), then let's add also, together with this rule: 1) that is an alliance ATTACK one single player of the corp in any system (included your 0.0 space) then the corp can declare war at ZERO cost since we have the casus belli. This way peaceful alliances who don't claim space and behave well have nothing to fear from pirates while others have to pay the price for their actions. 2) that an alliance must pay 1M*number of corp in alliance every week to remain active even at peace.
Cause you see, people who declares war to you are the ones you freely kill in 0.0 systems. You asking for a system which would be funny...you can kill whoever you want and by the sheer number of your alt corps you would make your enemies pay insane money. Since with new system we can't declare wars to single corps anymore, you basically asking to have immunity to wars. nice try though
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kaiser
Cause you see, people who declares war to you are the ones you freely kill in 0.0 systems.
by that premise lets dispense with Concord and turn it all into 0.0 and do away with trivial costs.
alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kaiser
Cause you see, people who declares war to you are the ones you freely kill in 0.0 systems.
by that premise lets dispense with Concord and turn it all into 0.0 and do away with trivial costs.
alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Arud
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Kaiser
Cause you see, people who declares war to you are the ones you freely kill in 0.0 systems.
by that premise lets dispense with Concord and turn it all into 0.0 and do away with trivial costs.
alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
ahh good idea since alot of people here are asking for fairness then lets give them fairness
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Kaiser
Cause you see, people who declares war to you are the ones you freely kill in 0.0 systems.
by that premise lets dispense with Concord and turn it all into 0.0 and do away with trivial costs.
alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
ahh good idea since alot of people here are asking for fairness then lets give them fairness
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
alliances have earned their right to be where they are
Go on tell us how alliances have earned this right? by banding together into a howling (now whining ) mob and shooting everybody that comes your way?
All you have earned is a bucket load of enemies and now those enemies have the tools to strike back at you you don't like it.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
alliances have earned their right to be where they are
Go on tell us how alliances have earned this right? by banding together into a howling (now whining ) mob and shooting everybody that comes your way?
All you have earned is a bucket load of enemies and now those enemies have the tools to strike back at you you don't like it.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Go on tell us how alliances have earned this right? by banding together into a howling (now whining ) mob and shooting everybody that comes your way?
All you have earned is a bucket load of enemies and now those enemies have the tools to strike back at you you don't like it.
you have always had those tools to strike back, only before you were limited to three corps at once for free, now you can get them all for 1 mill, sound fair?
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Go on tell us how alliances have earned this right? by banding together into a howling (now whining ) mob and shooting everybody that comes your way?
All you have earned is a bucket load of enemies and now those enemies have the tools to strike back at you you don't like it.
you have always had those tools to strike back, only before you were limited to three corps at once for free, now you can get them all for 1 mill, sound fair?
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
you have always had those tools to strike back, only before you were limited to three corps at once for free, now you can get them all for 1 mill, sound fair?
Yes it does sound fair, we have been warring FA for months having to rotate our wars when in reality our fight was with the whole alliance.
Now we can fight the whole alliance they either adapt or die. This game should not be about protecting the white elephants if you haven't got the skills to adapt they do not deserve to be a 0.0 alliance.
If alliances stopped acting as mobs and started really working together they would be able to protect their empire operations with convoys etc.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
you have always had those tools to strike back, only before you were limited to three corps at once for free, now you can get them all for 1 mill, sound fair?
Yes it does sound fair, we have been warring FA for months having to rotate our wars when in reality our fight was with the whole alliance.
Now we can fight the whole alliance they either adapt or die. This game should not be about protecting the white elephants if you haven't got the skills to adapt they do not deserve to be a 0.0 alliance.
If alliances stopped acting as mobs and started really working together they would be able to protect their empire operations with convoys etc.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 28/11/2004 12:58:27 there is this thing called a convoy that was used in ww1 and ww2. i think with the number of members these guys have they could easly form convoys and use there fleets the way i think EvE always wonted them too.
form a fleet and move your goods like a convoy would in times of war. i always thought how stupid it was too see Ca and stain who are deadly too each other in 00 space, then i would see them move into empire space and live just peachie with one and another.
i mean, i realy think you guys just fight for the heck of it and got too much money too care.
so you lose a ship. just mine the good stuff and make 30 mil a day.
now you guys cant come into empire space and be at peace. i mean war is war. its not a convenience thing where there are terms of only fighting in 00 space and ganking anyone you please.
if you guys are at war be at war!
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 28/11/2004 12:58:27 there is this thing called a convoy that was used in ww1 and ww2. i think with the number of members these guys have they could easly form convoys and use there fleets the way i think EvE always wonted them too.
form a fleet and move your goods like a convoy would in times of war. i always thought how stupid it was too see Ca and stain who are deadly too each other in 00 space, then i would see them move into empire space and live just peachie with one and another.
i mean, i realy think you guys just fight for the heck of it and got too much money too care.
so you lose a ship. just mine the good stuff and make 30 mil a day.
now you guys cant come into empire space and be at peace. i mean war is war. its not a convenience thing where there are terms of only fighting in 00 space and ganking anyone you please.
if you guys are at war be at war!
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:36:00 -
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Point is....warzone is in 0.0. .5 and up is safe space. If people are in safe space it's because odds are they're doing something completely uninvolving fighting.
And to be able to declare war on 2000 people in Empire not fighting for only 1mil/week is ridiculous. If you actually want to fight an alliance, just go to 0.0.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:36:00 -
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Point is....warzone is in 0.0. .5 and up is safe space. If people are in safe space it's because odds are they're doing something completely uninvolving fighting.
And to be able to declare war on 2000 people in Empire not fighting for only 1mil/week is ridiculous. If you actually want to fight an alliance, just go to 0.0.
Play The BIG Lottery! |
Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:48:00 -
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Quote: alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
Bull they havnt earned anything. They were scared people hudling in fear of going through jan in the early game and then they realized hey, by just getting all together and claiming some 0.0 we can make it safer than empire and the money is better to boot. A few wolves will not kill an entire flock but they will consistantly pick them off. They choose to be sheep they live with the aftermath.
It is absolutly disgusting that a nation that is supposed to be powerful would come on here and whine that they cant handle the loses inflicted by a few people in empire. If you are going to be a nation you should be spending the majority of your time within your borders. If you dont like that you should not be a member of that nation.
As a nation they need to take care of themselves. They are NOT part of the concord treaty of the 5 empires. They deserve no protection while in empire space as they are now aliens there. They must provide for their own protection, which is a cornerstone of being a true nation.
And to say that all concord protection is useless now is rediculous. the majority of the population still benefits from it as they should as they have life hard enough because of greed mongering alliance weaklings. ______________
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:48:00 -
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Quote: alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
Bull they havnt earned anything. They were scared people hudling in fear of going through jan in the early game and then they realized hey, by just getting all together and claiming some 0.0 we can make it safer than empire and the money is better to boot. A few wolves will not kill an entire flock but they will consistantly pick them off. They choose to be sheep they live with the aftermath.
It is absolutly disgusting that a nation that is supposed to be powerful would come on here and whine that they cant handle the loses inflicted by a few people in empire. If you are going to be a nation you should be spending the majority of your time within your borders. If you dont like that you should not be a member of that nation.
As a nation they need to take care of themselves. They are NOT part of the concord treaty of the 5 empires. They deserve no protection while in empire space as they are now aliens there. They must provide for their own protection, which is a cornerstone of being a true nation.
And to say that all concord protection is useless now is rediculous. the majority of the population still benefits from it as they should as they have life hard enough because of greed mongering alliance weaklings. ______________
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