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ma perke
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Posted - 2010.02.25 12:45:00 -
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as per today corp tax is applied only to bounties, thus only missioners/ratters/plexers contribute to the corp wallet. how about miners/marketers/manufacturers? why their income is not taxed? those are usually highly skilled players who should not get such bonus!
ccp apply corp tax to all ISK transactions - contracts, all market sales as well as current bounties!
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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.02.25 13:11:00 -
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You are a dumb troll. To paraphrase an ancient Gallente saying: 'I don't want you to talk no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a giant space hamster and your father smelt of spiced wine.'
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.02.25 14:13:00 -
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I have enough problems dealing with taxes in real life to be burdened with even more taxes in-game.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.02.25 14:17:00 -
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I honestly dont care what taxes are applied to. Apply them to everything- doesnt matter. Turn eve into "one man corp online".
If that was your intent- great suggestion.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2010.02.25 15:00:00 -
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Transactions are already taxed. Sales tax. There are also broker fees, which provide income to NPC corps through broker income tax.
Of course, you also pay sales tax and broker fees, so you are doubly taxed.
I have often suspected that NPC corps are in cahoots with pirate factions, by secretly manufacturing named modules and also placing buy orders for named items at very low prices and then getting them back to the rats in deadspace, belts, and plexes.
Due to the volatile nature of this information and the wealth and power of NPC corps and pirate factions, confirming the above is well nigh impossible without finding yourself a corpse floating around with other space debris.
OP you're more than welcome to uncover this conspiracy. Let me know what you find out.
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Alachia Mar
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Posted - 2010.02.25 15:49:00 -
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STFU you communist leech!
China is that way ------------->
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Krikx
Forgotten Gods
Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.02.25 16:26:00 -
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1/10
Troll
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.25 17:41:00 -
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Who's going to be the first to tell this genius about market alts?
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:39:00 -
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Dunno why this guy is getting such a negative reaction. Corp tax is a player-run system. If taxes are too high, you can always bump them down. Taxing more professions would be a good way to have miners and such contribute passively to the corp wallet.
If anything, sales tax and the like should decrease as system security goes down while corp tax should increase. CONCORD isn't protecting miners as they mine in 0.0, the corp is.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:52:00 -
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Market alts
Double taxing people ratters/mission runner as you tax the loot and not only the bounties
Taxing the ship you sell for its full value even if you brought the minerals and your gains is in the 3% range.
Ecc. ecc.
Next time use the search function, this proposal has been made and shoot down already numerous times.
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.25 20:54:00 -
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Buy a doodad for 100 mill, sell for 110 mill. How much did you make?
Now put a 10% tax on the sale for 110 mill. How much did you make?
protip, you didn't. You just lost 1mill. Also, The Game.
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Darian De'Mourne
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Posted - 2010.02.26 04:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Future Mutant
I honestly dont care what taxes are applied to. Apply them to everything- doesnt matter. Turn eve into "one man corp online".
I imagine that is what the op and several other dedicated mission runners and ratters already feel like doing (including myself from time to time) since they are the exclusive source of tax income.
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Market alts
I'm abit of a noob so if you could, please explain how this gets around bounty/mission reward tax other than the aforementioned 1 man corps.
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Double taxing people ratters/mission runner as you tax the loot and not only the bounties
This though I can agree with.
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Buy a doodad for 100 mill, sell for 110 mill. How much did you make?
Now put a 10% tax on the sale for 110 mill. How much did you make?
protip, you didn't. You just lost 1mill. Also, The Game.
Protip: If you buy something for 100 mill then sell it for 110 mill knowing there is a 10% tax, you got what you deserved
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
Guristech
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Posted - 2010.02.26 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Darian De'Mourne
I'm a bit of a noob.....
I agree
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Buy a doodad for 100 mill, sell for 110 mill. How much did you make?
Now put a 10% tax on the sale for 110 mill. How much did you make?
protip, you didn't. You just lost 1mill. Also, The Game.
Protip: If you buy something for 100 mill then sell it for 110 mill knowing there is a 10% tax, you got what you deserved
- The point is that it is already taxed.
- All that taxing market transactions will do will make 0% tax private corps/groups more popular, driving people out of your 10% tax player corp. Or they'll just use an alt in an alt corp with 0% tax and keep their ISK.
To conclude, it's an unreasonable, unenforcable tax. And this should be bleeding obvious, which is why you are being flamed.
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ma perke
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Posted - 2010.02.26 08:03:00 -
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there is a strong reaction because people feel threaten to loose ISK income - just as I do now because I am missioner/ratter. You know that most money are being made in WH and how are those money taxed towards the corp wallet? They are not at all.
In real life there are 2 types of taxes - one on profits(eve corp tax?) and VAT on all sales. Probably its a good idea to have similar thing in eve as well. I just do not find fair that some people pay more than the other.
Another idea regarding corps is to have democratic element introduced in corp management. Currently the CEO is like a king and can kick everybody out regardless of their contribution so far. What is the point to pay huge taxes if you do not have any rights?
CCP - introduce 2 types of corps, first like current King type, second democratic one where CEO/all directors are being elected for a mandate (3 months?) by the corp members.
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.02.26 09:17:00 -
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Umm NPC corp tax on the bounties and rewards is barely noticeable if you are doing it right. Though I don't think the tax should each you if you are receiving those taxes bounties and rewards in 0.0.
Please learn where the real isk is.
Mission bounties and rewards are a supplement to the true areas of income.
Next you'll be wanting to take our NPC Corp Carriers away too because someone blew you up in one.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Darian De'Mourne
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Posted - 2010.02.26 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia
Originally by: Darian De'Mourne
I'm a bit of a noob.....
I agree
Originally by: Darian De'Mourne
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Buy a doodad for 100 mill, sell for 110 mill. How much did you make?
Now put a 10% tax on the sale for 110 mill. How much did you make?
protip, you didn't. You just lost 1mill. Also, The Game.
Protip: If you buy something for 100 mill then sell it for 110 mill knowing there is a 10% tax, you got what you deserved
- The point is that it is already taxed.
- All that taxing market transactions will do will make 0% tax private corps/groups more popular, driving people out of your 10% tax player corp. Or they'll just use an alt in an alt corp with 0% tax and keep their ISK.
To conclude, it's an unreasonable, unenforcable tax. And this should be bleeding obvious, which is why you are being flamed.
As for the protip, just pointing out that if someone is selling something for a profit they would take these factors into consideration. The only way isk is lost is if the tax is hidden, and so far as I've read, no one has suggested that.
As for the rest, your validation of me being a noob is noted, and disregarded for its uselessness. My attached question still stands though, if anyone can tell me how that works.
And lastly, I simply agreed with the ops frustrations, but never said I fully supported his suggestion, note that I agreed the doubletax it would create on mission runners and ratters selling loot was a concern. As far as the rest goes, for those affected by corp tax already, 0% tax corps are already pretty attractive; a system that would affect other occupations would just spread the disdain we already feel, or maybe lessen it since everyone would be pitching in.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:41:00 -
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One way to tax miners could be that for every ore they mine, they automatically have to pay a fee just when the ore appear into their mining bark cargo.
And this tax goes directly into corp wallet.
Same with salvage.
But i am pretty sure miners and salvager won Št like that idea  .
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
Guristech
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Darian De'Mourne
Everything so far
Hmm, I may have been a little hasty before my coffee, so I apologise.
Creating a trade alt and alt corp is easy because you can be an effective trader with way less than 1.6 million SP, especially if you focus on station trading. Train some trade skills and corporation management, profit from the bonus SP time that new characters get. Give them a few hundred million, and you can make (or lose) money quickly in trade.
An alt corp is just a corporation created for your characters, but you can stay in an NPC corp if you don't need the extra features that having your own corp offers. Now that NPC corps are taxed @ 11%, it's valid for mission runners too.
Taxing market transactions is a pretty awful idea though, and would just lead to more 1 man corps, filled with main characters :(
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Praetendere
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Posted - 2010.02.26 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Praetendere on 26/02/2010 13:35:26
Originally by: ma perke
In real life there are 2 types of taxes - one on profits(eve corp tax?) and VAT on all sales. Probably its a good idea to have similar thing in eve as well. I just do not find fair that some people pay more than the other.
If I purchase some mods would they be subsidised by the corp then? So if the tax rate is 50% I only have to cough up half the cost of the modules the rest is covered by the corp? If not it is not a tax on profits.
You can get sales taxation revenues already - just buy a station.
If your corp is struggling maybe you should think about the issue as revenue streams and try and maximise the number of them. Some groups have corp dues, moon mining, ratting opps etc but they are player driven.
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Elldranga
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:21:00 -
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Not a very good suggest imo....
tbh, if you want to make this change, it seems like the only reasonable way to do it, would be to have CCP make the already existing taxes on sales and contracts go to the corporation because of some heretofore never revealed in game reason I can't be bothered to think up.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: ma perke
there is a strong reaction because people feel threaten to loose ISK income - just as I do now because I am missioner/ratter. You know that most money are being made in WH and how are those money taxed towards the corp wallet? They are not at all.
In real life there are 2 types of taxes - one on profits(eve corp tax?) and VAT on all sales. Probably its a good idea to have similar thing in eve as well. I just do not find fair that some people pay more than the other.
Another idea regarding corps is to have democratic element introduced in corp management. Currently the CEO is like a king and can kick everybody out regardless of their contribution so far. What is the point to pay huge taxes if you do not have any rights?
CCP - introduce 2 types of corps, first like current King type, second democratic one where CEO/all directors are being elected for a mandate (3 months?) by the corp members.
You are aware how VAT work?
To explain it simply, unless you are the end user, when you buy something you get a tax credit, when you sell it you get a tax debit, what you really pay is the tax on the difference between the price of what you buy and the price of what you sell.
so unless you start adding several large complications in game you will get:
1) combat pilots that buy ships and get a tax refund (from the player corp if they are in one, as the tax will be imposed by the corp?) and then get the insurance when they lose the ship;
2) traders that will buy from resell and get a refund then sell and pay the tax on the sale;
3) miners that pay on all the minerals they sell.
Speak about a nightmare. Especially as soon as people start to buy whit a character in a player corp than pass the item through a direct exchange to a alt and sell while in a 1 man corp.
If you do it right you can suck a corp wallet dry in a few minutes. Without the need of any role.
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CCP - introduce 2 types of corps, first like current King type, second democratic one where CEO/all directors are being elected for a mandate (3 months?) by the corp members.
Do you know how electing a CEO in corp work?
Buy shares of your corporation and then vote who should be the CEO.
If the corp is totally owned by the CEO it work exactly as a normal, RL, single owner corporation.
If you feel that the your corp don't give back enough for what you pay to be in it, leave it.
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Exordium8
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:04:00 -
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NO
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Pillage, then burn.
Everything is air-droppable at least once.
There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Tanthius Vanter
Gallente
Vanter Ventures
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Posted - 2010.02.27 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tanthius Vanter on 27/02/2010 11:21:22
OP does have a valid point that a burden is placed on mission runners that is not placed on others, but I dunno if a corp tax on market transactions is the way to go. In my alliance, when the industry folks do group mining ops, the alliance takes a small % of the yield for alliance use, not unlike the corp tax. Granted, this doesn't apply to solo miners like the corp tax applies to solo mission runners, but solo mining sucks so whatever.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.27 12:09:00 -
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Ask for low to zero profit stuff from the manufacturers to replace PvP losses. That's why you would even have a manufacturer in your corp, no? And traders could give a flat fee per month and/or offer free transportation services.
Making 10% profits and paying 11% tax just does not work for the traders/manufacturers.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:08:00 -
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There is no way in eve you could tax profits alone, the best way to make your corp profit from traders/miners is corp Ops
Let the miners together an let them mine for the corp on one evening (mandatory participation).
Traders is more difficult, but that is a question why they are in your corp anyway. Most of them can be persuaded to donate money to the corp. And if they dont: why should he/she be left in the corp?
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