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Hoban Gallifrey
New Eden University
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Posted - 2010.02.26 01:34:00 -
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A massive Atlas Fleet jumped into Rahadalon today, a system within striking distance of Northern Providence, on the same day that new attacks on two CVA systems began.
Against all Authorities and Ushra'Kahn alliance have been assaulting space to the south in response to the CVA incursion into catch a few months ago.
Now the long term allies of -A- and U'K have deployed on another "road trip" to assist with the final actions of the Provibloc War. Smaller alliances, that until recently enjoyed the opportunities of holder NRDS policy, have fled back into Domain and Devoid space pulling industrial assets to safety.
A CVA response to these new attacks has not yet appeared.
Is this the end of Providence NRDS? Some in U'K say this tradition may continue after CVA have been removed. It will remain to be seen however.
More updates, as we get them.
New Eden University Press
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Anariel Andurill
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.02.26 01:36:00 -
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More than beginner reporting might show you u'k history from when we last held space in provi and our nrds status then..... or sensationalist report = win!
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.26 01:54:00 -
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The outlook for the CVA is grim. The outlook for the future of Providence I feel, is actually rather bright.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.26 03:25:00 -
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Rahadalon is a wonderful system to visit, good food, fine wine and lucious locals.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.26 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Rahadalon is a wonderful system to visit, good food, fine wine and lucious locals.
I passed through the system earlier...but they were out of wine. By the way, this is my signature.
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mr passie
Minmatar Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 10:29:00 -
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there are whispers of hordes of minmatar exotic dancers throwing themselfs at atlas pilots in anticipation of the liberation to come.
A freed group of male slaves have been reporting to do dasty's bidding voluntarily
only good can come of this!
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Paasio Hisokanen
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:29:00 -
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I just hope whoever takes Providence maintains NRDS so we can get back to business as usual once this is over.
Not placing any bets on the winner just yet though.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:39:00 -
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More than likely it will be made into a barren wasteland like Impass. Full of AAA renters and not much else. ---
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Xina Tutor
Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Xina Tutor on 26/02/2010 12:14:24 Well... I think we are already seeing a glimpse of that barren wasteland developing.
There are some things were can be certain of in any case.
1. SF will never hold space, and therefore have no impact on any NRDS policy in providence.
2. UK will never be able to have any form of meaningful NRDS policy in providence.
With UK I doubt they even remember what NRDS is all about, they have been NBSI for so long. But that is only part of it.
They cannot practice NRDS in providence because as they have already stated, their allies would not be bound by the rules of UK's own space. UK would simply have to stand by as the greater powers roam and kill as they wish. We can be certain they would do nothing to protect nuetral pilots from such attack, and they would provide no intel of such.
You can rest assured, however, that those who have strived for a free providence will continue to fly in this space and will continue to protect the innocent as they can from both UK and her masters, no matter what the future may bring. They will provide intel and continue as always on their mission.
Of course If UK and her kin do take full control of providence under the -A- banner, this would be an easy job, as it will indeed be a wilderness.
You can be assured that a UK/-A- block providence would indeed be NBSI, make no mistake about that.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:45:00 -
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Enlighten me, do the 'great powers' cordially decline to roam providence out of respect for CVA's NRDS policy?
Of course not.
UK have been a primarily NRDS entity since inception. We would not wish to manage Providence in the same way CVA does, but we're not stupid. We know there needs to be a feeling of some law and order to encourage new corporations and alliances to make their first move into 0.0 space.
Roaming gangs are easy to avoid - a cloak or a POS provide that (or docking rights). And if the 'great powers' do not territorially assault Providence, which under UK influence they would not (since we have no other territorial ambition like CVA), then life would be better under UK influence than it is under CVA rule, for most Providence residents.
There is nothing to prevent Providence residents under UK influence from joining together and 'defending their space', much like they do now. A key difference is that CVA currently hold a lot of space, and make ISK from docking and refinery taxes. A UK influenced Providence would see this evil empire removed and returned to the people, younger corps and alliances who perhaps wish for an outpost of their own - leading to an increase, not a decrease, in the number of people living in Providence.
The future for a Providence under greater influence of UK is bright.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Enlighten me, do the 'great powers' cordially decline to roam providence out of respect for CVA's NRDS policy?
Of course not.
The difference is that "great powers" have been set KOS by the CVA in the past for attacking neutrals in Providence, whilst it seems very unlikely that UK would set their -A- benefactors red for doing so.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:54:00 -
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NRDS is not a rule or law. It does not require some authority to impose it. It is more a way of life that should be encouraged and propagated from one pilot to another. An anarchy is perfectly capable of being as NRDS as providence has been to this point - if not more so, by lacking the -10 conformity enforced by the CVA.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo NRDS is not a rule or law. It does not require some authority to impose it. It is more a way of life that should be encouraged and propagated from one pilot to another. An anarchy is perfectly capable of being as NRDS as providence has been to this point - if not more so, by lacking the -10 conformity enforced by the CVA.
NRDS is a policy, and it is a policy adopted by all SF pilots if they wish to fly under this banner. And they have a set of standings they follow as a whole...
And yet they try to pretend this is somehow different and special...
hmm.
When I was a new pilot in space, just 2 days from academy, I first met SF pilots. I was shot simply because I was set -10 on their standings. The pilots saw nothing else, and knew me not.
Easy stuff.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Butter Dog Enlighten me, do the 'great powers' cordially decline to roam providence out of respect for CVA's NRDS policy?
Of course not.
The difference is that "great powers" have been set KOS by the CVA in the past for attacking neutrals in Providence, whilst it seems very unlikely that UK would set their -A- benefactors red for doing so.
This does not make Providence safer - quite the opposite.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.26 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Butter Dog Enlighten me, do the 'great powers' cordially decline to roam providence out of respect for CVA's NRDS policy?
Of course not.
The difference is that "great powers" have been set KOS by the CVA in the past for attacking neutrals in Providence, whilst it seems very unlikely that UK would set their -A- benefactors red for doing so.
This does not make Providence safer - quite the opposite.
I disagree. Whilst giving in to terrorists such as yourself may give the short-term impression of safety, in the long-term it does not.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
I disagree. Whilst giving in to terrorists such as yourself may give the short-term impression of safety, in the long-term it does not.
It would seem that in the long-term it is CVA's model of Providence which is failing - costing their holders capital ships, assets, control towers, and even outposts.
This happened because of CVA's imperial delusions. We habour so such greed.
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Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.26 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus3 on 26/02/2010 14:31:53
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Originally by: ChipMo NRDS is not a rule or law. It does not require some authority to impose it. It is more a way of life that should be encouraged and propagated from one pilot to another. An anarchy is perfectly capable of being as NRDS as providence has been to this point - if not more so, by lacking the -10 conformity enforced by the CVA.
NRDS is a policy, and it is a policy adopted by all SF pilots if they wish to fly under this banner. And they have a set of standings they follow as a whole...
And yet they try to pretend this is somehow different and special...
hmm.
When I was a new pilot in space, just 2 days from academy, I first met SF pilots. I was shot simply because I was set -10 on their standings. The pilots saw nothing else, and knew me not.
Easy stuff.
And you have done/would do/will continue to do the same to all so-called "hostile" alliances to providence. Nice attempt though you failed. Yet again another example of hypocrisy in providence.
It is indeed different and special... become a free captain and you will see that :-P
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:07:00 -
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A question on this matter.
If what people say is true, this is what they say is the situation.
In U'K space, U'K operate the NRDS policy. -A- are not bound by this policy of U'K. -A- are an ally of U'K.
Those assumptions hold, yes?
What happens, if, in U'K space, an -A- ship opens fire on a ship belonging to Alliance X, and the Alliance X ship returns fire?
It means Alliance X fired on an ally of U'K, while in U'K space, yes?
Will U'K set Alliance X red, for firing on their allies?
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Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious A question on this matter.
If what people say is true, this is what they say is the situation.
In U'K space, U'K operate the NRDS policy. -A- are not bound by this policy of U'K. -A- are an ally of U'K.
Those assumptions hold, yes?
What happens, if, in U'K space, an -A- ship opens fire on a ship belonging to Alliance X, and the Alliance X ship returns fire?
It means Alliance X fired on an ally of U'K, while in U'K space, yes?
Will U'K set Alliance X red, for firing on their allies?
If acting in self defense I doubt this would be the case. surely -A- will come looking for fights as they always have and they will find them wether they be neutrals or other holder alliances. I don't think Ushra'Khan would get involved in these politically
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Exie
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Exie on 26/02/2010 15:27:48
Originally by: Butter Dog Enlighten me, do the 'great powers' cordially decline to roam providence out of respect for CVA's NRDS policy?
Of course not.
UK have been a primarily NRDS entity since inception. We would not wish to manage Providence in the same way CVA does, but we're not stupid. We know there needs to be a feeling of some law and order to encourage new corporations and alliances to make their first move into 0.0 space.
Roaming gangs are easy to avoid - a cloak or a POS provide that (or docking rights). And if the 'great powers' do not territorially assault Providence, which under UK influence they would not (since we have no other territorial ambition like CVA), then life would be better under UK influence than it is under CVA rule, for most Providence residents.
There is nothing to prevent Providence residents under UK influence from joining together and 'defending their space', much like they do now. A key difference is that CVA currently hold a lot of space, and make ISK from docking and refinery taxes. A UK influenced Providence would see this evil empire removed and returned to the people, younger corps and alliances who perhaps wish for an outpost of their own - leading to an increase, not a decrease, in the number of people living in Providence.
The future for a Providence under greater influence of UK is bright.
Important part in BOLD.
Who's to say it is U'K space? We are not a slaver, we do not want to hold alliances under our boot.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious A question on this matter.
If what people say is true, this is what they say is the situation.
In U'K space, U'K operate the NRDS policy. -A- are not bound by this policy of U'K. -A- are an ally of U'K.
Those assumptions hold, yes?
What happens, if, in U'K space, an -A- ship opens fire on a ship belonging to Alliance X, and the Alliance X ship returns fire?
It means Alliance X fired on an ally of U'K, while in U'K space, yes?
Will U'K set Alliance X red, for firing on their allies?
No. U'K don't set people red just because they fired on an ally. Blue on Blue - do nothing Blue on Neut (NBSI) - support blue Blue on Neut (NRDS) - do nothing Neut on Neut (NRDS) - do nothing Neut on Neut (NBSI) - do whatever Neut on Red (NRDS) - kill red Neut on Red (NBSI) - do whatever Red on Red - do whatever
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
Originally by: ChipMo NRDS is not a rule or law. It does not require some authority to impose it. It is more a way of life that should be encouraged and propagated from one pilot to another. An anarchy is perfectly capable of being as NRDS as providence has been to this point - if not more so, by lacking the -10 conformity enforced by the CVA.
NRDS is a policy, and it is a policy adopted by all SF pilots if they wish to fly under this banner. And they have a set of standings they follow as a whole...
And yet they try to pretend this is somehow different and special...
hmm.
When I was a new pilot in space, just 2 days from academy, I first met SF pilots. I was shot simply because I was set -10 on their standings. The pilots saw nothing else, and knew me not.
Easy stuff.
Oddly enough, I had the same experience from pilots flying under the flag of Sev3rance. I was fresh from the academy and on my way out to Providence to do business with the holders in one of their research stations. I was attacked unprovoked, by members of Sev3rance whom destroyed my lovely golden hull Punisher and tried brushing it off by calling me a spy.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Shirley Serious A question on this matter.
If what people say is true, this is what they say is the situation.
In U'K space, U'K operate the NRDS policy. -A- are not bound by this policy of U'K. -A- are an ally of U'K.
Those assumptions hold, yes?
What happens, if, in U'K space, an -A- ship opens fire on a ship belonging to Alliance X, and the Alliance X ship returns fire?
It means Alliance X fired on an ally of U'K, while in U'K space, yes?
Will U'K set Alliance X red, for firing on their allies?
No. U'K don't set people red just because they fired on an ally. Blue on Blue - do nothing Blue on Neut (NBSI) - support blue Blue on Neut (NRDS) - do nothing Neut on Neut (NRDS) - do nothing Neut on Neut (NBSI) - do whatever Neut on Red (NRDS) - kill red Neut on Red (NBSI) - do whatever Red on Red - do whatever
Thank you for this clarification, it is useful to know what the U'K policy is.
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Shirley Serious A question on this matter.
If what people say is true, this is what they say is the situation.
In U'K space, U'K operate the NRDS policy. -A- are not bound by this policy of U'K. -A- are an ally of U'K.
Those assumptions hold, yes?
What happens, if, in U'K space, an -A- ship opens fire on a ship belonging to Alliance X, and the Alliance X ship returns fire?
It means Alliance X fired on an ally of U'K, while in U'K space, yes?
Will U'K set Alliance X red, for firing on their allies?
No. U'K don't set people red just because they fired on an ally. Blue on Blue - do nothing Blue on Neut (NBSI) - support blue Blue on Neut (NRDS) - do nothing Neut on Neut (NRDS) - do nothing Neut on Neut (NBSI) - do whatever Neut on Red (NRDS) - kill red Neut on Red (NBSI) - do whatever Red on Red - do whatever
So what your saying here is that your form of NRDS is basically NBSI dressed in NRDS clothing, ( An old Earth addage of the Emperors Clothes comes to mind ) unless of course you see a red shooting a red where you can shoot whoever, but that means you would be helping someone who isnt blue or neutral, which might get you in a situation where you are thought to be collaborating with the enemy.
So basically the UK NRDS Policy is do what you want. Thank you for clearing that up.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious In U'K space, U'K operate the NRDS policy.
Please note that this is currently NOT the case.
U'K space is situated Providence and Catch; we operate NBSI in both those regions.
All other regions are NRDS to us. _____________________
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Wildcard Trek
So what your saying here is that your form of NRDS is basically NBSI dressed in NRDS clothing, ( An old Earth addage of the Emperors Clothes comes to mind ) unless of course you see a red shooting a red where you can shoot whoever, but that means you would be helping someone who isnt blue or neutral, which might get you in a situation where you are thought to be collaborating with the enemy.
So basically the UK NRDS Policy is do what you want. Thank you for clearing that up.
I cannot begin to fathom how you read that into the perfectly simple explination of our ROE. I can only assume your logicial reasoning ability is matched by the prowess of your capital ship FC'ing.
Of course, being CVA, you probably cannot even begin to understand the concept of not forcing others to follow your own standings, or operating outside a forced-standings enclave.
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Nirr'ti Kala
Amarr The Fade
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Enlighten me, do the 'great powers' cordially decline to roam providence out of respect for CVA's NRDS policy?
Of course not.
UK have been a primarily NRDS entity since inception. We would not wish to manage Providence in the same way CVA does, but we're not stupid. We know there needs to be a feeling of some law and order to encourage new corporations and alliances to make their first move into 0.0 space.
Roaming gangs are easy to avoid - a cloak or a POS provide that (or docking rights). And if the 'great powers' do not territorially assault Providence, which under UK influence they would not (since we have no other territorial ambition like CVA), then life would be better under UK influence than it is under CVA rule, for most Providence residents.
There is nothing to prevent Providence residents under UK influence from joining together and 'defending their space', much like they do now. A key difference is that CVA currently hold a lot of space, and make ISK from docking and refinery taxes. A UK influenced Providence would see this evil empire removed and returned to the people, younger corps and alliances who perhaps wish for an outpost of their own - leading to an increase, not a decrease, in the number of people living in Providence.
The future for a Providence under greater influence of UK is bright.
Mr. Dog,
I would like to point out the most valuable point in this entire discussion, and I feel it is best directed to what your alliance wishes everyone to believe, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton
While, you, as you represent U'K and -A- in this discussion, will always talk about keeping the same policies, procedures, and respect given to those that CVA and other Providence Holders gave to smaller, industrial, and wealthy alliances and Corporations faith is going to be a hard thing to restore. From your background description, of being tribal political structure, it will be a very difficult in that respect as well.
If you actually believe that this will be a easy accession to the throne of power you will be sadly mistaken. The only recommendation I can give with this issue is I would try and find middle ground, otherwise your enemies will over run you. Power, yes, will be held for a small bit of time, but you will not be able to hold onto this power for longer than a year or so. Learn from the lessons of the past, and remember you are more likely to attack friends with honey than vinegar.
-Nirr'ti Kala
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
So what your saying here is that your form of NRDS is basically NBSI dressed in NRDS clothing, ( An old Earth addage of the Emperors Clothes comes to mind ) unless of course you see a red shooting a red where you can shoot whoever, but that means you would be helping someone who isnt blue or neutral, which might get you in a situation where you are thought to be collaborating with the enemy.
So basically the UK NRDS Policy is do what you want. Thank you for clearing that up.
I cannot begin to fathom how you read that into the perfectly simple explination of our ROE. I can only assume your logicial reasoning ability is matched by the prowess of your capital ship FC'ing.
Of course, being CVA, you probably cannot even begin to understand the concept of not forcing others to follow your own standings, or operating outside a forced-standings enclave.
With that logic; Since I have yet to ever FC any Capital Ship Fleet but yet easily 99% of the time beat any UK conventional fleet ever engaged, we can deduct if I were to FC a Capital Fleet against UK it would end in the same.
Now on the true matter at hand Little Hobo Terrorist what UK have clearly posted and accepted is a "don't really care what you do policy" which is pretty obvious. A take on the ancient Wild Wild West mentality, one might even say the Anarchist aproach to NRDS.
And the KOS list is pretty well been explained a million times, but here we go again for the reading impaired terrorists and their sympathizers. The KOS list is a tool one can easily see that will show you who will shoot you, follow it and you wont get shot by the people on it. For the CVA God fearing servant of Amarr pilots it is who we shoot who have a proven track record of coming to Providence with the sole intention of shooting the place up.
If you wish to help shooting people on it, your more than welcome to help out, it is not a requirement to do so while living in Holy Amarrian Providence. It is there to show who will do you harm rather than good. And since we are the only true NRDS Alliance left in Eve the KOS list is there to show who we can and cannot shoot.
When the CVA roam into foreign lands in search of hostile pilots we often come across many neutral pilots in our endeavors, even knowing they are renters of the KOS listed parties they are never shot because of the simple fact they have not done any harm to Providence and her citizens. Can UK claim the same? I think not.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.26 22:06:00 -
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As far as I am concerned, CVA have no-one to blame for this situation but themselves. They attempted an invasion of Catch, botched the job abysmally, were graciously offered peace terms by the people they'd attacked, and arrogantly refused them. Now their territories are under attack from all sides and their Holder alliances are fleeing to safety in droves. -----
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wildcard Trek
With that logic; Since I have yet to ever FC any Capital Ship Fleet but yet easily 99% of the time beat any UK conventional fleet ever engaged
That is a big claim, perhaps you could link a few examples of your fantastic FCing abilities? Im sure that we'd all like to bask in your tactical brilliance for a while. With you as a CVA asset, im amazed that UK have managed to win any fights at all. |
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