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Alx Vauxserusier
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Posted - 2010.02.26 04:34:00 -
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(continued from Part I)
Picture reactions to the following two statements in a meeting:
1. "Our Mac users hate the app."
2. "Our Mac users hate the app and are leaving in droves. As a result, we're projecting x in lost revenue in this quarter alone."
The first statement gets a shrug. Depending on the size of x, the second statement gets changes in the company's internal allocation of resources. Which would you rather?
Eve is great; it's Mac client a turkey. It doesnĘt matter why, and sympathy for the turkey purveyor is the consumer equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. CCP apparently regards it as sufficient to be able to claim they have a Mac client without much regard for the fact that it's a bad Windows port that makes users feel like they've hitched a manure spreader to a Ferrari. From what I've read here, they don't feel the need to comment on anyone's dissatisfaction, but what company every does until the bottom line comes into play?
Consider... Mac sales are growing at a phenomenal rate even as the rest of the tech industry around them declines and the larger economy falls like a badly made soufflT. No one expected the iPhone's game sales, but it's not hard to guess what the iPad will do to the same market. Note that there's now an excellent EVE-related iPhone app. It's obvious CCP has made a mistake by settling for less-than-great Mac client.
I wonder how hard it would be to demonstrate as much, as opposed to merely grumbling. How many Mac users are there? Out of how man EVE players? How many visit this forum? What's known, what's surmised, and what resources are available? Perhaps CCP is right, and a tiny minority doesn't deserve an increased engineering budget. Then again, perhaps they're mistaken and will respond to proof.
Of course proof is often most convincing with just a little drama attached. How 'bout a manifesto backed up by a six month boycott? That should be enough time for them to release a beta of a native OS X application.
After all, isn't EVE all about free market economics?
-A
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:22:00 -
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You could just do what the Linux crowd did years ago and use Wine/Crossover instead. Solved the performance issues nicely.
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Pixe1storm
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Pixe1storm on 26/02/2010 12:38:54
The obvious answer would be: Eve is not that bad on the mac.
I am only bothered with strange keyboard behavior sometimes and ... ehm... well when my internet crash i sometimes need to terminate the process "Eve" because it doesnt want to close otherwise, other then that its completely fine.
I dont have ANY performance issues on mbp 2.4 3gb 8600gtm 10.5.8 Leopard.
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Mcnoot
Caldari
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mcnoot on 26/02/2010 15:47:23
Im always hesitant to reply to such trollish posts, but I think it needs to be said that a good number of Mac users are having a good Eve experience with not much to complain about.
I for instance live deep in 0.0 space, take part in enormous fleet battles (1000+ ships several weeks ago), long nightly gang roams covering dozens of jumps playing upwards to 8 straight hours at a time and NEVER crash, and I mean never...
I cant even remember the last time Eve crashed on me.
I realize that my experience may not be the same as others', however its important to note though, that not everyone is having the same types of issues you seem to be.
Under most circumstances, my client runs pegged at 60fps, drops to 30fps when there are more than 30-40(approx) ships in view, even then, scrolling my view out during fleet battles, keeps 100+ ships in view at 60fps.
Dont ever forget the silent majority that keep quiet when things are working well.
The forums tend to accumulate and amplify the issues of the people having problems as they are the ones most likely to take the time to seek out the forums and type up a "Manifesto" complaining.
The last thing most of us want is CCP to just decide to give up on OS X since apparently "Our Mac users hate the app" type of comments are all they see.
My specs:
10.6.2 Snow Leopard
2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xenon
8 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
I play at 2560x1600 resolution, everything set to high, HDR on, bloom off.
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.26 17:15:00 -
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Play on a mac and dont have anything to complain about.
Only thing id like is multi-window support...
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.02.26 21:20:00 -
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I've been playing this game for 2 years, using both the Mac and Windows clients on a 80:20 ratio and, to be perfectly honest, I haven't experienced any significant recurring problems over the last 8+ months.
I've done Level 4 missions with enough lag candy to turn a 3 year old obese, I've done operations in W-Space while running three clients and characters simultaneously and I've been involved in medium sized PvP operations and POS sieges (c. 200 ships) without encountering any issues serious enough to put me off playing. Yes, there's the odd crash, but it seems to happen no more often on the Mac client than the Windows client, in my experience.
Rather than whining and trying to stir up an uprising amongst the Mac community, directed against CCP, why not outline a few of the issues you're experiencing? File a few petitions and bug reports? What you're doing is neither effective, nor constructive.
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Alx Vauxserusier
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:03:00 -
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Trollish?
That strikes me as unfair, but then ad hominem attacks always are. I'm a bit stung, nonetheless. "Trolls" post deliberately inflammatory bs for no other reason than annoying people capable of more feeling than they are. I wrote a concerned, detailed post with some consideration and humor, giving credit as well as criticism, after reading here that my mediocre experience with the EVE client app isn't unique. Still, one person's constructive criticism is another's vicious character assassination, and nobody here has any way of knowing I'm actually a pretty decent sort.
Thanks to everyone who made substantive responses. I'm baffled that my experience is apparently so different from everyone else's. I wonder if, being relatively unfamiliar with game apps, my expectations are just unrealistic. I just wanna check my mail while playing without waiting 5 seconds for my system to respond to every click and watching the Dock ooze up and down in slow motion, a phenomenon I'd never witnessed outside of imminent system failures until I opened EVE.
Regardless, I apologize for my gaffe. If I'm misunderstood, it's my responsibility to communicate better. I'll be more careful in the future, now that I better understand the context here.
-A
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Aiko Intaki
Lodizal Shield Tek
Lodizal Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:26:00 -
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Been using the mac client since it came out...
There have been periods where the client was unstable.
This is not one of them.
My client runs fine.
My one request - tabbed clients.
Please let me stop having to keep so many damn installs to box with.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:09:00 -
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I can confirm as well, no serious issues with the Mac client since months. Even the performance is really nice, MacPro with GeForce 8800 here. No reason to play using BootCamp game-performance wise. I have enabled all effects including bloom and HDR (weapon effects 4tw  ).
Only problem I've atm is outside of the client. Very laggy desktop while the client runs - which is very annoying, granted. Hope this can be fixed soon! It's not even thinkable to dualbox in MacOS 
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Biczkowski
Minmatar
Ghosts of War
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Solbright
You could just do what the Linux crowd did years ago and use Wine/Crossover instead. Solved the performance issues nicely.
yeah but doing what the linuxtards are doing would include the absence of any hygiene. no thanks - linux crowd may die with their 0.01% market share ...
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CCP Shadow
Caldari
C C P
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Posted - 2010.03.10 22:30:00 -
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Off-topic comments removed.
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TimeDrawsNigh
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.11 04:19:00 -
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I too use Mac OS X and Eve runs fine for me, except one thing - the graphics seem to be messed up. I don't mean the colors are messed up, but rather the ship/station/asteroid/planet/everything outlines are pixelated, and it's bothering me to deaths. >_<
Currently have a petition setup... just wondering if anyone else is having similar problems.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.03.12 11:58:00 -
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I'm playing EVE quite happily on an Intel Core 2 Duo iMac, hooked up to a 24" external monitor. Two clients running in windowed mode - it does slow the computer down a lot, even though the EVE clients are only chewing up 30% of processor time.
But it's playable, and it only ever crashes when I'm warp scrambled in a faction fit CNR. The rest of the time when I'm just station spinning or hauling courier contracts around the place, it's rock solid.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.03.17 02:19:00 -
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Considering everything a native Mac client would be loverly. I can see the performance hit of Cider on my hackintosh'd MSI Wind compared to Windows native on the same machine.
Saying that, I've no access to the EVE codebase and couldn't even make a guess at how many DirectX calls and tricks its using; some could be "search & replaced" to OGL for a rough n' ready beta I'm sure but... that'd be a long long way from playable what with all the art assets needing conversion.
Hopefully, with the release of Steam for Mac appearing CCP will start getting more and more data on popularity and well you never know.
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