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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.03.01 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: dibblebill on 01/03/2010 04:27:18 Edited by: dibblebill on 01/03/2010 04:26:51 Beyond Our Sins is withdrawing from Militia effective today. Operation Freedom is still in full effect as detailed here: Operation Freedom
The pilot known as Captain Vaguy has had a personal feud with me for over a year. I'm not sure why, never have been, but it all started along time ago. I've tried to "live and let live". Last August, when Beyond Our Sins joined the militia, he consistently gave me problems. He would tell fleet commanders "kick dibble or I leave", get me blacklisted, tell others I was a spy, and attempt to get other militia members to publicly discredit me. So far as I know, other than leaving ROSS as the second member, on angry words about the weak leadership regarding our blues shooting at us and them not being reset, the only thing I can think of for this personal vendetta was that I was in Band of Rebels, and not ROSS, when the corporations parted ways.
Now, ROSS has declared war on PVBOS because of this personal feud. We are a much smaller organization, and will admit, we are outclassed here. I've attempted to be diplomatic in this issue, and have been met continuously with a wall of insults, bullying attempts, and accusations of "crying" when I try to be mature and resolve this like adults should. I've even tried ignoring the problem and hoping he would let the subject stay dead, to no avail. This has forced the realization that right now, we can better serve the cause of freeing slaves on another front. So, until further notice, Beyond Our Sins is withdrawing from military application on the war front. We will not abandon our cause, and we will continue fighting for the inborn human right to freedom. *SPLUD* |
BattleStar Crusader
Amarr Absinthe Brothers Aggressive Dissonance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 08:28:00 -
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You have nothing to worry about ROSS mate. They arnte worth worrying about, the use schoolboy tactics.
Just undock a PIN and popo the ego baloon, you will see them burn.
Vaguy are you up to your old tricks again? you will never be leader of the militia, they won't vote for you WOW is way.
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Kuan Yida
Minmatar Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.03.02 01:17:00 -
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Sir, there are other corps in Militia besides ROSS. Feel free to contact Huang Yinglong is you want some support for your cause. We'd always be happy to take you with us on our jaunts to Providence.
http://kuan-huangyinglong.blogspot.com/ |
dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.03.02 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: dibblebill on 02/03/2010 13:19:46
Originally by: Kuan Yida Sir, there are other corps in Militia besides ROSS. Feel free to contact Huang Yinglong is you want some support for your cause. We'd always be happy to take you with us on our jaunts to Providence.
Correct, but we cannot afford to fight a war on two fronts.
That being said, day one is over. ROSS outnumbered us 3-2 in the system but did not make any engagement attempt other than a single Cormorant.
As this part has already become known to ROSSS, their industry corp, we intend to declare war and destroy assets in their other corporations in order to discourage future action. We are also joining an alliance who also has the same list of greivances that we do, and perhaps more, as there are other corporations that Captain Vaguy has fired on or podded pilots belonging to in the past while claiming neutrality and claiming to be anti-pirate. PVBOS is a corporation with a fraction of the active combat pilots that ROSS does, and in light of Captain Vaguy's comments in private communications, the possible involvement of "my big alliance friends" seems likely. Once this war has been dealt with, PVBOS will decide where to go from there.
In regards to ROSS's public statement, PVBOS also wishes ROSS to know that they should check the facts their spies glean from public resources, and also check into the opinions of other members in the militia, as many know that many of their statements are either untrue, or half true.
We are willing to negotiate an end to this war at all times. *SPLUD* |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:23:00 -
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your post is somewhat petty and acrimonious.
Captain Vaguy's reputation is solid.
Dibblebill has a few black marks on him for antics both recent and in the past.
folks will decide for themselves.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.03.03 01:03:00 -
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Captain Vaguy is a petty child, and numerous members of the former "Band of Rebels" corporation, Cyberdyne INdustrial Agency, and others can vouch for the statements made here.
Tribal Core, Valklear Guard, Ice Fire Warriors, and Matari's People front are all now considered KOS for unwarranted aggression. *SPLUD* |
jasper beamsalot
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.03.03 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: jasper beamsalot on 03/03/2010 02:36:31
Originally by: dibblebill .... Ice Fire Warriors... are all now considered KOS for unwarranted aggression.
we are? aggression?? IFW are a peacefull mining corp we dont aggres ppl!!!!
this can only end bad..... for someone
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.03.03 03:28:00 -
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You, good sir, have gone too far.
Prepare for sneakiness.
That is all. The Sneakiest Noob in EVE |
Eran Mintor
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.03 05:06:00 -
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My understanding is you attacked Minmatar militia, or specifically, a ROSS member while he was fleeted with my CEO, therefore he defended himself and those around him by eliminating the threat to the patrol. I would have done the same, as would many Minmatar. This rediculous 'grudge match' cannot interfere with militia ops, or you are effectively becoming a saboteur, and a valid target like any Amarrian crusader.
You made a misjudgement, and now you are complaining about it. And to honestly expect support over something like this? It appears your own words have garnered this war-declaration. Your own words could probably stop it if you said "sorry" and went your way peacefully.
Look dibble, I've been pushing for us to stay out of it because I didn't want any distractions or division, but you seem to be demanding more attention. Why else would you post on the IGS? To garner public support and stain the image of the Minmatar militia. That is what this is; a petty attempt at propoganada. Your personal grudge against Captain Vaguy is of no interest to the Minmatar militia, but since you have chosen to distance yourselves from the Minmatar and take up arms against members of our militia, you are effectively painting a large target on yourselves.
When you announced you left militia I was against it, but I now am not. The reason I had been against it was because you had flown with me several times and seemed reasonable, and I hate to see people leave on bad terms. I told you I would talk to Captain, and I did. Well, what they have told me is only proven here by your incompetence and the mere fact you would submit yourself to start an entire IGS thread about a petty war-declaration. Did Minmatar militia post on the IGS when we decc'd Maximum Yarrage? No, the propoganda tool wasn't necessary. But now you see yourself fighting a losing grudge match and you are trying to twist the reality so you are now the victim, when the truth is you have been attacking ROSS and it's members verbally for some time. Now you announce you will attack their industry division in an attempt to disrupt Minmatar militia operations.
Stop while you're still relatively ahead of the fall. You're going to find this painful, should you choose to escalate further.
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Nano J
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Posted - 2010.03.03 10:22:00 -
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asshat
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Nano J
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Posted - 2010.03.03 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: dibblebill
We are willing to negotiate an end to this war at all times.
I would like 5 bil.
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Arachidamia
Matari People's Front
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Posted - 2010.03.03 13:53:00 -
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The Matari People's Front will not stand idle while militia fleet members are attacked. You claim to be the attacked party in this, yet it was you who who fired the first shoot last night. By attacking him, you were attacking the Republic itself. And having served in the militia yourself, you know how we deal with enemies of the Republic.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.03.03 14:03:00 -
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Personal grudge? Mayhaps you haven't payed attention to miltia fleets in the last few months. I have tried and tried to be polite and discreet about this problem. I've had ROSS members in fleets with zero complaints from myself or them. In spite of this, I continued to get questions from other members asking things like, "Why is Captain Vaguy asking me to call you out in militia?" "Why were you kicked from fleet?" "Why won't the FC invite you?" And in call cases, one pilot was responsible. This is why I had all but disappeared from commanding militia fleets, or even partaking in them. Because he was creating an environment that made it near impossible for us to do anything at all. I've tried talking to him one on one, I've tried talking to his CEO, hell, even some of his own corpmates said that they didn't want this- and neither did I. But the man will not listen to reason. We have tried, and so have others, to get him to tone down the sniping he's done since we joined in militia. The only response was more mockery, and more attempts to get us blacklisted in militia. So I ask you, who is the saboteur?
They declared war for the sake of his personal amusement, making them the aggressor and traitor here. If we were in militia, would you have still fired then, or called us traitors and spies for standing up for ourselves? *SPLUD* |
Eran Mintor
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.03 14:28:00 -
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Quote: In spite of this, I continued to get questions from other members asking things like, "Why is Captain Vaguy asking me to call you out in militia?" "Why were you kicked from fleet?" "Why won't the FC invite you?"
Should you have certain witnessess and/or other trusted parties to back this up, it could perhaps be slightly believeable. I can't honestly say I have witnessed any of this and the whole situation is a surprise to me.
You are, at this point, counter-productive. You have already lost any support you had among the general militia population as a result of what I pointed out in my previous statement on this matter.
You are quickly becoming irrelevant. I fail to see how you aim to continue your goals to "free slaves" if you are disrupting the operations of those who are laying their lives at risk for the idea of a better world.
Quote: So, until further notice, Beyond Our Sins is withdrawing from military application on the war front.
Quote: 2010.03.03 00:55
Victim: dibblebill Corp: Beyond Our Sins Alliance: None Faction: NONE Destroyed: Drake System: Kamela Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 22092
And yet you remain in the warzone. Again, counter-productive and contradicting.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.03.03 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: dibblebill on 03/03/2010 17:30:33 Ask your own corpmate, then. fffuuu knows how I've been treated.
Fact: We set aggressors red. Fact: ROSS interfered with our operational ability quite openly, and there was zero support for us when we were still in militia. There was no change of opinion.
Name: Neu Bastian Security: -0.6 Corp: Valklear Guard Alliance: NONE Faction: Minmatar Republic Ship: Rapier Weapon: Rapier Damage Done: 786
These corporations fired on us, and were set red accordingly. There's nothing else to say- we have a public red list, so looking at that would have said the same thing that post did. That's all there is to say on the matter. I will say this: Kudos to ROSS for engaging today without neutral backup. *SPLUD* |
Dame Death
Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:03:00 -
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Bill are you seriously saying you dont expect Militia members to act when someone who is now nuetrul/red attacks their fleet?.
If so your more confused then me and thats saying something
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:15:00 -
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I will say that Captain Vaguy has been a long term and trusted ally of the Star Fraction and we have never had cause to doubt his word, integrity or capability on the battlefield. I think Beyond Our Sins would be wise to withdraw from this conflict and reconsider their own actions that may have led to this unfortunate situation.
That said, your corporation is neutral to the Fraction and we will not involve ourselves in this matter unless brought into it by action of hostility in space.
I would counsel you to be wary of making public slurs against Vaguy in this venue however. He was won his share of respect and trust in times past and has been a great friend of the Matari resistence and Free Captains of the Star Fraction.
His reputation and stock is high. Yours is less so. You committed a great error of judgement in leaping to the defense of the lying scoundrel Mizhara Del'thul, in the matter of the Misan Pal'taek corp theft against the Fraction and such things have cost you a great deal of credibility.
Be aware that such mistakes add up and have an unfortunate habit of coming home to roost.
True Knowledge |
Kuan Yida
Minmatar Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.03.03 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kuan Yida on 03/03/2010 22:55:40 I have retracted my earlier offer. I now speak for Huang Yinglong and can state unequivocally that any pilot that fires upon a Valklear Guard, Ice Fire Warrior, ROSS, or other TLF corp pilot in the presence of Huang Yinglong pilot(s) will be fired upon by said HUANG pilot(s). These corps represent the heart of TLF and any enemy of them is an enemy of all TLF corps.
http://kuan-huangyinglong.blogspot.com/ |
dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.03.04 01:55:00 -
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A mutually beneficial solution has been reached, hostilities will cease. *SPLUD* |
Nano J
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Posted - 2010.03.04 02:52:00 -
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still waiting for 5 bil.
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Louella Dougans
Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2010.03.04 09:27:00 -
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For what it's worth, William has helped me find places offering housing, employment, and a new life, to the people I rescue.
I consider him to be a decent man, because of this.
Captain Vaguy, I know nothing about.
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