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Xeovar Stoner
Gallente Pink Bunnies C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:51:00 -
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At downtime March 1st 2010, C0ven resets standings to Systematic Chaos alliance.
Detailed reasons for this decision are described below. We are aware that big boys may intervene, however this is a game and there are things more important (and more fun) then space. We have not reset any standings besides SYS-K, we will however respond immediately to any cases of blue fire. To make everything crystal clear - we are not resetting SYS-K because we have grudge against this alliance nor because we want their space. We reset them, because Liam Freemen, the absolute ruler of SYS-K can no longer be trusted as an ally. We have no quarrel with majority of SYS-K members, however SYS-K is a dictatorship ran by Liam and that makes you our enemies.
SYS-K vs SE/C0ven - the anatomy of conflict. Rewind 2+ years, before anyone ever heard of StainWagon and its members. SE and C0ven were fighting against each other and Deus Ex - then Liam's alliance. Few months later we SE and C0ven started to cooperate against MASS and Red Alliance - this was the original beginings of our cooperation. It has developed into a more permanent situation and we started to consider going after goon-held esoteria. At this stage Liam reformed his alliance into SYS-K and approached us about him joining the Eso operation. After some thought we have agreed to let Liam in on the op and so StainWagon was born. It took a few tries and a lot of time to actually conquer Esoteria over a year ago. We have settled and continued fight against goons, mostly in accord with our allies and in remote areas. SYS-K used this time to absorb huge numbers of people, but our relationships have been straight (bare some minor disagreements on lands etc) until maybe few months ago. As SYSK grew and Liam started to feel strong, he became most arrogant. Took decisions in name of StainWagon (even though it always was a loose relationship, based on loyalty and indepdence), he started calling himself the chief of SW.... used it as a leverage to build some political clout with the big boys and followed by a lot of brown-nosing. With his ego growing faster then alliance it became visible how his loyalty to the people who helped him build his empire diminishes. First check, Period Basis rush - Liam offered us some moons for the support (as we didnt want space) as he was organizing this rush being the most desperate for new space, which ended being the same moons he offered to IT to keep them happy after he claimed the region dependant on them. Second check, the -A- alt corp freighter we have accidentaly blew up and the hothead pvpers :) who caused unnecesary escalation... while SE clearly declared to support us if **** hits the fan, Liam decided to sit on the fence declaring "neutrality". Third check, when SE reset IT for roams (we really believe NIPs can work and would be preferable to NAPs) and IT came to enforce they will Liam closed his station to SE and invited IT to operate from his stations. At this moment SYSK directors started publicily stating SYSK are no longer members of StainWagon. Fourth check we were led to believe that recent rush for last Esoteria constellation (which was since begining declared to be a common ground) is a first step to claiming entire Esotera and removing SE and C0ven presence by any means necessary - therefore we are merely pre-empting the plan Liam already set in motion.
Ave C0ven!
In the name of C0ven Council Xeovar Stoner C0ven diplomat -- "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. "
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Nooto
Caldari Dragon Clan Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nooto on 01/03/2010 10:55:59
BEWARE!!!
All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance |
RifterDrifter
Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:01:00 -
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Stain Empire and Coven are the only alliances down south with actual balls.
That said, say goodbye to your space because Sys-K is just better in diplomacy and sucking up to the big boys than you are. _______________________________________________
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Mad Frontier
Minmatar Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:02:00 -
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so c0ven decided to suicide along with SE
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Gryana
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:05:00 -
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This can only end well :S
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Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:10:00 -
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Sir, I applaud you on your balls. I shall follow this with greatest interest.
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sakurako
Caldari Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:19:00 -
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i do have respect for c0ven, lets hope we can have some good fights.
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Graastjaerna
Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:20:00 -
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Lemmings! CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!
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Wo0ki3
Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:22:00 -
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WE CAME OF OUR CABBAGE! ---
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Naitsirch Secundus
Caldari Dragon Clan Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Naitsirch Secundus on 01/03/2010 11:35:18 @ OP first check: nobody raised a finger, so one offers something until someone claims the offered goods -> called diplomacy & negotiations
second check: someone messes with some common friends and a not involved party doesn't go for blindfolded pseudo-loyalty -> called diplomacy and adult behaviour
third check: you are resetting the biggest powerbloc which sits next door -for giggles- and are wondering why someone you ignored when deciding upon the reset takes the side of the offended while NOT shooting you... -> yep, that's so, so.... so... totally bad!
I respect the inegrity of Coven and the skills of the involved players, but making up s... to prove your point and telling "if u are not with us, you are against us" is childish and hot-headed.
Nait -speaking only on behalf of me, myself and I edit: cuz nooto edited too
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Endeva
Caldari tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:39:00 -
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something that will never happen up north:D
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:40:00 -
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uhhhhhh
- Emperor
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Pixel SonursCreen
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:45:00 -
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to me it seems funny how selfcentered assumptions and blindness for facts can lead to a situation like we are now facing. Respect for the loyalty from C0ven towards SE, looks like the grave SE digged for themselves is big enough for two?
Quote: (we really believe NIPs can work and would be preferable to NAPs)
<- lol
Eventually, with the "vanishing" of our common enemy (goons &co) something like this was to be expected at some point. Might as well get it over with.
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Anton Marx
Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:47:00 -
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Interesting... [center]DESTROYED
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Deep Trip
Gallente Swift Redemption Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:47:00 -
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When CVA broke neutrality and "attacked" -A- with Goons, they triggered their own downfall.
I guess Systematic Chaos is on the same path of doom. :)
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Pradege D'Hallur
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:49:00 -
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Was only a matter of time, but somehow i prefer this anyway.
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Bargath
Amarr Terra Incognita Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:51:00 -
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We the oppressed x for pewpew
Great overlord Freemen commisioned this work to truely capture his majesty. http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3043/liami.jpg
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J'har
Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Deep Trip When CVA broke neutrality and "attacked" -A- with Goons, they triggered their own downfall.
I guess Systematic Chaos is on the same path of doom. :)
Sys-K did not attack anyone... SE informed IT they would reset them to have "good fights", IT responded by telling them they are not interested in "good fights" and will invade them in full force if SE reset them. Liam (sys-k leader) tried to convince SE not to be foolish. Liam informed them sys-k will not be taking sides since both SE and IT were our allies. SE still went on with resetting IT and were shortly after invaded. At that point it was unclear where coven would side. It was sys-k's hope that unlike SE they would see reason.
Now it is clear that coven will be helping SE (which is to be somewhat commendable) and apparently try to make sys-k look like the bad guys for trying to resolve this diplomatically instead of rushing head first in to a (most likely) hopeless situation.
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Hideous Minx
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:05:00 -
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Sorry Sys-K, but I'm going to call this war for SE/c0ven. I don't see IT or AAA intervening to save you.
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McFly
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:15:00 -
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So that's what all the jump freighter traffic was about the other day...
-- my sig got nerfed again, csm thread to get forum sig limitations lifted a bit |
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Lionia Darkdawn
Minmatar Terra Incognita Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bargath We the oppressed x for pewpew
Great overlord Freemen commisioned this work to truely capture his majesty. http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3043/liami.jpg
"Bargath > Liam is Mussolini but with lasers."
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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:31:00 -
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you should just put a tl;dr: "never liked them anyway" Furthermore, you're already reading my sig |
Karunel
Gallente Princeps Corp Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:31:00 -
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Judging by the past, I don't see SE/c0ven in a grave any time soon. They've proved time and again that they're one of the best pvp groups flying around in EVE.
May the pewpew be plentiful for both sides.
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Deep Trip
Gallente Swift Redemption Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: J'har
Originally by: Deep Trip When CVA broke neutrality and "attacked" -A- with Goons, they triggered their own downfall.
I guess Systematic Chaos is on the same path of doom. :)
Sys-K did not attack anyone... SE informed IT they would reset them to have "good fights", IT responded by telling them they are not interested in "good fights" and will invade them in full force if SE reset them. Liam (sys-k leader) tried to convince SE not to be foolish. Liam informed them sys-k will not be taking sides since both SE and IT were our allies. SE still went on with resetting IT and were shortly after invaded. At that point it was unclear where coven would side. It was sys-k's hope that unlike SE they would see reason.
Now it is clear that coven will be helping SE (which is to be somewhat commendable) and apparently try to make sys-k look like the bad guys for trying to resolve this diplomatically instead of rushing head first in to a (most likely) hopeless situation.
Ye, I love playing EVE... Especially because of the diplomacy and talking... Kinda gets the blood to boil...
Now a more interesting question, Liam, where does your loyalty stand? IT or -A-? When those 2 alliances cross horns in the future, to which side will you turn for cover? I gotta agree with the ex-Delve dwelling worm there, dont see IT or -A- helping you on this one. Plus, you are defending space. Coven and SE have a battle hardened group constantly dwelling in Stain. They are far more superior then you at station games, roams, ganks, putting pressure. And lets not forget Brick Squad. Im pretty sure they will take a side in this hostile encounter. Not officially, of course. Somehow I dont see them siding with Systematic Chaos.
Also, SE and Coven are pvpers. Which makes them a very, very valuable asset in any global encounter. You, my friend, are merely a statistic which brings in isk. And anyone, basically any alliance, who wanna sit home in their granted space and take care of the household can do that. So you are expendable. A mere combustion of numerics, functions and mathematics in an Excel worksheet when it comes to paying taxes.
The Legacy of Stain will endure.
The Legacy of Shame will die with SYS-K... Shame on you for turning your backs on such a valiant force! Booooooooo!
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Lareon Denery
Gallente Band of Cateteris Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:34:00 -
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Respect for C0ven: in Deus Ex times they were great enemies, as they were great allies during pre-esoteria campaign (before quitting Sys-k). Have fun :)
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:37:00 -
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cześć ! GL my polish brothers you have some nuts on you.
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Knocturnal
Caldari Nitro Corp Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hideous Minx Edited by: Hideous Minx on 01/03/2010 12:09:43 Edited by: Hideous Minx on 01/03/2010 12:09:26 Sorry Sys-K, but I'm going to call this war for SE/c0ven. I don't see IT or AAA intervening to save you.
edit: mister vee is betting against me. don't make me lose this bet, SE/c0ven!!
stay away,this is big alliance discussion not non important disband alliance discussion Signature removed for inappropriate language. Zymurgist. |
Hideous Minx
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Knocturnal
Originally by: Hideous Minx Edited by: Hideous Minx on 01/03/2010 12:09:43 Edited by: Hideous Minx on 01/03/2010 12:09:26 Sorry Sys-K, but I'm going to call this war for SE/c0ven. I don't see IT or AAA intervening to save you.
edit: mister vee is betting against me. don't make me lose this bet, SE/c0ven!!
stay away,this is big alliance discussion not non important disband alliance discussion
goonwaffe is on the se/c0ven train, except for delta they are part of the sys-k militia. **** those guys.
let's roll se/c0ven. 0wn everything
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Lord Milton
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:03:00 -
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see you in syndicate sys-k
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Knocturnal
Caldari Nitro Corp Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Milton see you in syndicate sys-k
u didnt know what happen in Pb,u don`t have a clue what happens now,u guys are pathetic:)But i guess u fail alliance goon is like that:) Signature removed for inappropriate language. Zymurgist. |
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Gixxer 1000
Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Milton see you in syndicate sys-k
How's the roid's up there, any good? Is that where failed alliances go now?
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shoresy
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:15:00 -
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Who cares about all the dilpo stuff .. We have targets on the doorstep now Sweet
May all have fun
S ............................ StarHunt Homepage
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Hideous Minx
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:18:00 -
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sys-k is going to roll over and die to the might of the SE/c0ven armies. SE/c0ven are an unstoppable force, literally the greatest and most skilled fleet eve has ever seen. sys-k does not stand a chance.
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Knocturnal
Caldari Nitro Corp Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hideous Minx sys-k is going to roll over and die to the might of the SE/c0ven armies. SE/c0ven are an unstoppable force, literally the greatest and most skilled fleet eve has ever seen. sys-k does not stand a chance.
u mad on sys-k for kick u out from PB?:(still have assets there?:(i can buy them for a good price,just convo me.....
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Hideous Minx
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:29:00 -
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I am not angry at sys-k. Indeed, I pity you. I would pity any alliance that had to fight the eve pvp powerhouse known as SE/c0ven. Your space is forfeit. Your space crops will be burned to ashes. Your space women will be manhandled. It's over for you. There is nothing left for sys-k except to be completely destroyed by this unstoppable coalition.
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McFly
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:32:00 -
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what i think is kind of funny is that Coven didn't declare a campaign, they just reset some dudes that weren't on the same road they were. Only way there will be any sov war here (based on the coven diplo's statement) is if they are attacked by their now neutral former ally.
-- my sig got nerfed again, csm thread to get forum sig limitations lifted a bit |
El Mauru
Amarr Quantum Industries BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:44:00 -
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yay! more pew in our neighborhood! -
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Oli Robbo
Gallente Entity. Donkey Punch.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:48:00 -
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Sounds about right for Liam, Godluck Coven/SE.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:59:00 -
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cool
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Gryana
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:10:00 -
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lol, told you, this can only end well.
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Sally Bestonge
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sally Bestonge on 01/03/2010 14:16:02 sys-k being bloated to over 3000 terrible players, SE and c0ven should have no problem finding targets and generating tears
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:19:00 -
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Not being napped and only wanting ~~goodfights~~ gets you thrown under the SCs bus. lol. Anyone want to dig out some good quotes from 2009 complaining about NC naplists and 3/4ths of eve being blue for hilarious ironic purposes. ---
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Azran Zala
Caldari Fleet of the Damned Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Azran Zala on 01/03/2010 14:50:09
Originally by: Deep Trip And lets not forget Brick Squad. Im pretty sure they will take a side in this hostile encounter. Not officially, of course. Somehow I dont see them siding with Systematic Chaos.
I too can't wait for the day Brick squad declares support for stain empire & coven, and Britney spears wins best actress award.
I take it you dont hang in stain much.
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:50:00 -
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Don't worry. Liam is going to run the "Italians in Conflict" playbook and try to grass dive his way out of this one.
If that doesn't work, He'll switch sides against his own alliance.
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Knocturnal
Caldari Nitro Corp Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: WrathOfOprah Don't worry. Liam is going to run the "Italians in Conflict" playbook and try to grass dive his way out of this one.
If that doesn't work, He'll switch sides against his own alliance.
He can`t switch sides,he`s italian they stay together in that "Cosa nostra" of them...o.0
but you don`t know what is taht since u come from a country were u have too look at your fellow in school if he didnt bring a gun:)))) Signature removed for inappropriate language. Zymurgist. |
Dark Sidhe
Minmatar Rage For Order Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 15:54:00 -
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It's all kinds of awesome that we have targets that don't involve moving a fleet 22 capital jumps and 18 Titan bridges...
It is kinda sad that Mr. Coven spinmaster is trying to rewrite history to justify their decisions. Just say, "hey we're resetting youz guyz!," and be done with it.
Liam spent tons of time doing the diplomatic thing out of respect for the coalition and loyalty to two alliances we've fought beside for a long time. When Bricks were hitting Coven assets in Stain, our alliance pulled up stakes and spent the better part of a summer re-based in 6qbh to fight alongside Coven and train up new troops by taking on Brick Squad.
Whenever an ally needed help, all they needed to do was ask and Liam would send his lemmings into action. Didn't matter where help was needed, all it took was a request and we'd come running. Now yes folks eventually asked us to leave our dreaded bomber wing at home given we were better at bombing ourselves and other blues than the enemy but its the thought that counts right? Our allies responded in kind when we were invaded by the Goon/ZAF hordes in October. It was an amazing thing to see our friends come so quickly and in such force in our hour of need.
SE tried to pull a "soft"/"good fights" reset with IT and Liam spent more time brokering solutions. SE seemed to forget that they were part of something larger, StainWagon. Decisions by one alliance impacted us all. IT basically said, we're either blues or not and promptly began blow up SE and its assets in Paragon Soul until a temporary truce was worked out. Coven didn't know which way to jump and Liam was patient about waiting for everyone to committee up and decide what they wanted to do rather than start shooting as many suggested.
Now all of that complicated diplo stuff is by the boards. We can save tons of isotopes and time by fighting out of our own stations and forward bases.
See ya all on the battlefield!
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"Back away from the Tatoo Ink" |
Funky Feeling
Caldari Ventis Secundis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:02:00 -
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I for one enjoy ham sandwiches and vote that more be made available.
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Kitano
Caldari tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:22:00 -
[48]
Go Covenski!
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Sandwich PvP
Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Funky Feeling I for one enjoy ham sandwiches and vote that more be made available.
Sorry, there is currently a universal ham shortage as Avi's left cheek is getting a bit thin. The only fight worth fighting is the one you should lose. |
Phreeze
Amarr Igneus Auctorita SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:29:00 -
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Spaghetti
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Dark Shines
Gallente Rage For Order Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:32:00 -
[51]
Does this mean we will have to double the numbers while escorting Liam's freighters? -----------------------------------------------
Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?" |
Lynn Deniera
Caldari The Foreign Legion Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:32:00 -
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Oh I see. Interesting. Tell me about it. What do you mean?
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Mathias Skillius
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:58:00 -
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Well Great Scott! This has turned into quite the fuzzlewig now hasn't it.
Rest assured SYS-K, as a loyal member of Delta Sqad, Classiest and Best Postingest Sqad on goonfleetwaffe.com, we back you 110% in your fight against the evil ne'er-do-wells of Stain Empire and C0ven.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:10:00 -
[54]
Just goes to show even the tightest of bonds may be severed.
Stain is going to be interesting in the near future.
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Jiro Rans
Caldari Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:10:00 -
[55]
Good luck C0VEN
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Hratli Smirks
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Skillius Well Great Scott! This has turned into quite the fuzzlewig now hasn't it.
Rest assured SYS-K, as a loyal member of Delta Sqad, Classiest and Best Postingest Sqad on goonfleetwaffe.com, we back you 110% in your fight against the evil ne'er-do-wells of Stain Empire and C0ven.
Delta is trash. Sqad isn't even a real word.
SE/C0ven, in honor of your struggle against Sys-K's unrelenting douchebaggery, I am moving that Sigma Squad rename itself "Sigma Empire" in solidarity with the oppressed people of Stain for the duration of this conflict.
Our prayers fly with you into Space Battle, God bless.
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Naecuss
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:20:00 -
[57]
Legiunea Romana your absence seizure is not going unnoticed?.
"Riding high on Lucifer's Spokes just keep on rolling n rolling." |
Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:42:00 -
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See ya in space. Sneaky backstabbing rats. Like totally honest way of doing standings reset the way you guys did it. Give note 5 min before DT and login gank squad after DT to get anyone who still is seeing you as blue.
Was really expecting more backbone from you guys. Over the joint fleet operations in the past I had impression you guys were ok - at least enough to not pull that kind of cheap ganks stuff. Guess I was mistaken.
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evilempire0
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:55:00 -
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There hasnt been drama in Stain for way to long. This is just we needed right about now we were getting ancy. [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=evilempire0][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,evilempire0/tpl,userbar_Minmatar/signature.png |
Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:59:00 -
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So who's got covens back?
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:05:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So who's got covens back?
Backdoor Bandit
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Hratli Smirks
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So who's got covens back?
Hey, couple posts above you, man.
Sigma Squad.
Sigma Squad has C0ven's back.
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McFly
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:52:00 -
[63]
is it popcorn time yet?
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Elias Modron
Gallente Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:21:00 -
[64]
Will be following this campaign eagerly. ---------- Ex-[RAGER][UK1 Z][SK-AS] Now-[RESON] |
Shigsy
Caldari Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:42:00 -
[65]
Sys-k are hilariously bad, so unless someone intervenes, im gonna bet on SE (and c0ven i guess) _________________________________
SFC. Shigsy of Sev3rance alliance, protector of the innocent, bringer of death. |
Sybil Loc0
Minmatar Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:49:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Sybil Loc0 on 01/03/2010 19:53:30 Ghehe GL SE/C0ven i hope You will get some good fights vs Sys-k (not vs Sys-k and 20k players from southern blue sea ).
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Dynast
Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:29:00 -
[67]
There were rumblings that something like this could happen for a while, but nothing substantiated. The reset ten minutes before downtime followed by camp in A1- to nab as many targets without updated standings as possible came as a bit of a surprise, though I suppose after the shenanigans with IT it shouldn't have. Kinda sucks that LR has been put on the spot.
Otherwise, from the point of view of a pilot who spends the better part of his time solo roaming, this is pretty sweet. However things go down there'll be more reds nearby in the short run. Coven and SE have vastly superior cap fleets that will weigh against our numbers. I suppose as a US TZ player, that'll mean lots of repping station services (bleah) but life will go on. J-AY is old and busted, perhaps BZ- will be the new hotness?
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batloard
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:31:00 -
[68]
So where do the LR pets stand on this issue? Money on sysk.
Also three ways fights in stain? Booya!
LR/Sysk vs SE/C0ven vs Brick.
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Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:34:00 -
[69]
i just have one thing to add
COVEN can i haz your stuffz when you failscade? [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
Max Teranous
Minmatar tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:36:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Estagado i just have one thing to add
COVEN can i haz your stuffz when you failscade?
That's pretty fukkin funny coming from a corp that ran from Wildly InappropriateDOT when the going got tough
Max
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Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:39:00 -
[71]
if i would to if i was in an alliance that ran away and gave up all there space and resources and put up no fight. [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
Katchoo
Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:43:00 -
[72]
Originally by: batloard So where do the LR pets stand on this issue? Money on sysk.
Also three ways fights in stain? Booya!
LR/Sysk vs SE/C0ven vs Brick.
This!
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Sybil Loc0
Minmatar Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:47:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Estagado i just have one thing to add COVEN can i haz your stuffz when you failscade?
Hrhr You got 1st prize @ "****posting award" :D Also Liam get email from SE yesterday - if you were not updated its just your own/liam FAIL! (why its not surprising me?).
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McDonald Douglas
Minmatar FoFoFo Monkeys Gay Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:58:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Dynast The reset ten minutes before downtime [..]
Your alliance CEO knew what will happend day or two back, but he failed to inform your alliance about that
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Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:02:00 -
[75]
Originally by: McDonald Douglas
Originally by: Dynast The reset ten minutes before downtime [..]
Your alliance CEO knew what will happend day or two back, but he failed to inform your alliance about that
and you get the 1st place prize for being a fail spy. mabye you should join the gay liberation unit ..you'll fit in great with them homos.. [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
Sybil Loc0
Minmatar Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:07:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Estagado mabye you should join the gay liberation unit ..you'll fit in great with them homos..
Lolol this is your argument? :D Btw did you undock already?
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Knocturnal
Originally by: WrathOfOprah Don't worry. Liam is going to run the "Italians in Conflict" playbook and try to grass dive his way out of this one.
If that doesn't work, He'll switch sides against his own alliance.
He can`t switch sides,he`s italian they stay together in that "Cosa nostra" of them...o.0
but you don`t know what is taht since u come from a country were u have too look at your fellow in school if he didnt bring a gun:))))
If there's one organization that is known for honor, steadfast loyalty, and has never had to worry about internal assassinations/power struggles or anyone turning states evidence, it's the Italian Mafia.
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RD Hooker
Gallente Space Explorations and Excavations Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:14:00 -
[78]
Edited by: RD Hooker on 01/03/2010 21:17:03
Quote: what i think is kind of funny is that Coven didn't declare a campaign, they just reset some dudes that weren't on the same road they were. Only way there will be any sov war here (based on the coven diplo's statement) is if they are attacked by their now neutral former ally.
Right, that must be why Coven is trying to anchor sov block modules in PB. Clearly because they're just going their own way, and have nothing against Sys-K at all.
Quote: That's pretty fukkin funny coming from a corp that ran from Wildly InappropriateDOT when the going got tough Laughing
Max Cool
Pretty ironic, coming from Tri. Are you guys on Tri Mk IV yet?
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:25:00 -
[79]
CAOD. We know Drama.
*doink-doink*
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Katchoo
Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:36:00 -
[80]
RENT PAYMENT SENT PLS DONT SHOOT
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SeIdarine
Minmatar Mass Evacuation Taboo.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:39:00 -
[81]
It makes sense that Sys-k is sucking off IT and willing to be their pets. IT/BOB have a known history of treating their pets well
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Chana Kor
Caldari League of Gentlemen Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:59:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So who's got covens back?
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Sybil Loc0
Minmatar Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:24:00 -
[83]
Soo southern block promise support Sys-k in this war?
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Azran Zala
Caldari Fleet of the Damned
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:30:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Shigsy Sys-k are hilariously bad, so unless someone intervenes, im gonna bet on SE (and c0ven i guess)
Pot kettle black
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Erikel
Gallente Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:51:00 -
[85]
Giggety!!
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Hadrian Septim
Caldari Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.03.02 01:22:00 -
[86]
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Knocturnal
Originally by: WrathOfOprah Don't worry. Liam is going to run the "Italians in Conflict" playbook and try to grass dive his way out of this one.
If that doesn't work, He'll switch sides against his own alliance.
He can`t switch sides,he`s italian they stay together in that "Cosa nostra" of them...o.0
but you don`t know what is taht since u come from a country were u have too look at your fellow in school if he didnt bring a gun:))))
If there's one organization that is known for honor, steadfast loyalty, and has never had to worry about internal assassinations/power struggles or anyone turning states evidence, it's the Italian Mafia.
This
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Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.02 02:09:00 -
[87]
Originally by: SeIdarine It makes sense that Sys-k is sucking off IT and willing to be their pets. IT/BOB have a known history of treating their pets well
sounds like somebody is butthurt [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 02:32:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Estagado
Originally by: SeIdarine It makes sense that Sys-k is sucking off IT and willing to be their pets. IT/BOB have a known history of treating their pets well
sounds like somebody is butthurt
Stop Posting its terrible.
Sys-k is just suffering from the Safe space snowball effect, it happens to alot of alliances.
I completely Respect C0ven and SE they are a great bunch of Pvpers, and i wish them all the best down there.
your comments about WI are completely untrue and it shows your lack of actual insight into eve and its politics. Remember when your CEO was asked when GLD left WI, he said he accidentally... the whole corp and holding corp outa WI.... pretty honest words there.....
Im not saying Sys-k is a back alliance, i respect the founding corps and leadership but they do have a large problem with bandwagon bloat at the moment, and the leadership probably knows this.
So as i said best of luck to C0ven and SE. Keep CAOD up to date with the coming war.
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Koronos
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 02:32:00 -
[89]
Just poasting to lol at the people saying SE have dug their grave.
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TruthState
Caldari Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:05:00 -
[90]
Coven
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Bayer22
Minmatar F.R.E.E. Explorer Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:23:00 -
[91]
GL C0ven and SE. always liked roaming down there
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:36:00 -
[92]
Stain Empire will hold their own, and possibly c0ven as well. Might not be sov-space, but they will likely survive based on their past performances.
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Salmeria
Gallente Advanced Component Research Enterprise SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:51:00 -
[93]
Sounds like Lian Fremen sucks Molles **** like it a popsicle!
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Airborne Ninja
Minmatar GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:41:00 -
[94]
get out
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:54:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 02/03/2010 06:56:22
Originally by: Xeovar Stoner At downtime March 1st 2010, C0ven resets standings to Systematic Chaos alliance.
Detailed reasons for this decision are described below. We are aware that big boys may intervene, however this is a game and there are things more important (and more fun) then space. We have not reset any standings besides SYS-K, we will however respond immediately to any cases of blue fire. To make everything crystal clear - we are not resetting SYS-K because we have grudge against this alliance nor because we want their space. We reset them, because Liam Freemen, the absolute ruler of SYS-K can no longer be trusted as an ally. We have no quarrel with majority of SYS-K members, however SYS-K is a dictatorship ran by Liam and that makes you our enemies.
SYS-K vs SE/C0ven - the anatomy of conflict. Rewind 2+ years, before anyone ever heard of StainWagon and its members. SE and C0ven were fighting against each other and Deus Ex - then Liam's alliance. Few months later we SE and C0ven started to cooperate against MASS and Red Alliance - this was the original beginings of our cooperation. It has developed into a more permanent situation and we started to consider going after goon-held esoteria. At this stage Liam reformed his alliance into SYS-K and approached us about him joining the Eso operation. After some thought we have agreed to let Liam in on the op and so StainWagon was born. It took a few tries and a lot of time to actually conquer Esoteria over a year ago. We have settled and continued fight against goons, mostly in accord with our allies and in remote areas. SYS-K used this time to absorb huge numbers of people, but our relationships have been straight (bare some minor disagreements on lands etc) until maybe few months ago. As SYSK grew and Liam started to feel strong, he became most arrogant. Took decisions in name of StainWagon (even though it always was a loose relationship, based on loyalty and indepdence), he started calling himself the chief of SW.... used it as a leverage to build some political clout with the big boys and followed by a lot of brown-nosing. With his ego growing faster then alliance it became visible how his loyalty to the people who helped him build his empire diminishes. First check, Period Basis rush - Liam offered us some moons for the support (as we didnt want space) as he was organizing this rush being the most desperate for new space, which ended being the same moons he offered to IT to keep them happy after he claimed the region dependant on them. Second check, the -A- alt corp freighter we have accidentaly blew up and the hothead pvpers :) who caused unnecesary escalation... while SE clearly declared to support us if **** hits the fan, Liam decided to sit on the fence declaring "neutrality". Third check, when SE reset IT for roams (we really believe NIPs can work and would be preferable to NAPs) and IT came to enforce they will Liam closed his station to SE and invited IT to operate from his stations. At this moment SYSK directors started publicily stating SYSK are no longer members of StainWagon. Fourth check we were led to believe that recent rush for last Esoteria constellation (which was since begining declared to be a common ground) is a first step to claiming entire Esotera and removing SE and C0ven presence by any means necessary - therefore we are merely pre-empting the plan Liam already set in motion.
Ave C0ven!
In the name of C0ven Council Xeovar Stoner C0ven diplomat
Nice, hope you guys win. :)
Originally by: Endeva something that will never happen up north:D
There needs to be more of this tbh. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Master SpaceNinja
Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:55:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Airborne Ninja get out
No |
Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 08:55:00 -
[97]
:frogout: ---
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.02 09:42:00 -
[98]
Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 09:47:00 -
[99]
Miners/Industrialists/Ratters are not necessarily carebears, a carebear is someone who whines and complains about PvPers. The term has lost a lot of meaning though.
Personally I make all my isk trading. ---
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 09:59:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:07:00 -
[101]
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.
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VCBee 2fast2furious
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:30:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers.
No, SE/C0VEN are attacking because SYS-K, who owe their current position to the long-standing support of SE, failed to show a united front when IT attacked Paragon Soul last week, and gave tacit support to IT's invasion.
That sort of **** is always going to break up friendships.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:32:00 -
[103]
OrDeR is a ~ReAl~ PvPeR, and not just a FOTM chaser, you can tell because in the past 2 years he has been in the following well respected and non-FOTM alliances.
IAC, KIA, PuPPeT MaSTeRs, Cult of War, Minor Threat, Zenith Affinity, White Noise, Triumvirate. ---
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:33:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.
Yeah you can. Here's a simple scam:
Buy a two chars with 30mil sp each go through there corp history and apply to them corps in the history. While the corp members think you are the old owner you slowly get access to what you need. Once you have accomplished your goal sell the chars and buy new ones.
Its all about talking sh*t, if you can talk sh*t you can get access to anything. Make sure to scam enough to cover the transfer fees etc.
note* takes isk to make isk.
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Suitonia OrDeR is a ~ReAl~ PvPeR, and not just a FOTM chaser, you can tell because in the past 2 years he has been in the following well respected and non-FOTM alliances.
IAC, KIA, PuPPeT MaSTeRs, Cult of War, Minor Threat, Zenith Affinity, White Noise, Triumvirate.
Seems you are the new FOTM. Where can I app ?
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Gryana
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.02 11:50:00 -
[106]
Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers.
No, SE/C0VEN are attacking because SYS-K, who owe their current position to the long-standing support of SE, failed to show a united front when IT attacked Paragon Soul last week, and gave tacit support to IT's invasion.
That sort of **** is always going to break up friendships.
What is of course missing from the summary is the large amount of diplo work done before during and after the SE/IT Drama Llama came round for tea and cake.
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Giacomo Carissimi
Gallente ElitistOps
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Posted - 2010.03.02 13:31:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Gryana This can only end well :S
i know, right? look at all these awful posts by sys-k.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:02:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
LOL
Yeah thousands of people play this PvP game because they just want to carebear in peace. They even moved to null to do it.
My thanks to SE and c0ven for making sure the south doesn't go the way of the north and remains a worthwhile place to live. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:45:00 -
[109]
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.
Yeah you can. Here's a simple scam:
Buy a two chars with 30mil sp each go through there corp history and apply to them corps in the history. While the corp members think you are the old owner you slowly get access to what you need. Once you have accomplished your goal sell the chars and buy new ones.
Its all about talking sh*t, if you can talk sh*t you can get access to anything. Make sure to scam enough to cover the transfer fees etc.
note* takes isk to make isk.
The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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T'Aldaani
Minmatar Igneus Auctorita SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.03 02:11:00 -
[110]
Best of luck, c0ven.
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PDP Kordal
Gallente Eye of God Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.03 03:57:00 -
[111]
To Coven, Hope to see you on the battle field again. After sitting camping CVA for soo many days. it is good to find someone that shoots back. This morning has made my day.
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Nobani
Minmatar Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.03 04:09:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
Just because you're an achiever doesn't mean everyone is.
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Asheru
Caldari HeartVenom Inc. Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.03.03 06:20:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.
Thread got sort of quiet, all of a sudden.
*crickets*
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.03 07:07:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Nobani
Originally by: Dr Stroomb I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
Just because you're an achiever doesn't mean everyone is.
Nice document, well done and thanks for the information. Still my point is, please stop pushing people around.
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.03 07:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Asheru
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.
Thread got sort of quiet, all of a sudden.
*crickets*
Yes it suddenly did...
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Kel'taith
Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.03 07:27:00 -
[116]
Good fight c0ven, you brought it outnumbered and completely out gunned against our fleet and an ECM Large tower with gunners. Without hesitation I might add. It's rare to fight anyone with balls, we certainly didn't find enemies of your quality against goons, bricks, or CVA. I look forward to many good fights in the future, It saddens me we could not find a way to remain friends through recent events.
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Venzon 2003
Caldari Beach Boys Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.04 02:56:00 -
[117]
friendly bump
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.05 07:05:00 -
[118]
... bump ...
answers guys, more answers ...
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Dynast
Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.05 08:17:00 -
[119]
Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr RennTech BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 09:06:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I have always failed to grasp, is why do PvP'ers insist on attacking people that definately are not interested in such activities. I mean, seriously, if you're a "pr0 l33t pvper" pick on someone who can actually give you a beating. I find shooting easy targets dull, but it seems that way too many people need instant gratification on their actions. A good comparison would be playing a game with a 6 year old. You let him win, in obvious ways, and he's happy every single time, because he "won", and at the end of the day that is all that matters ;-)
As for getting the money - everyone rats, everyone. That is all.
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thearrowofapollo
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 10:28:00 -
[121]
i like that yo say ur not bothered about losing space but then contredict yourself in the last sentance about estoria, however that said gl and may the noobs be with you resetting sys-k maybe a good thing as there wasnt much action going on ;)
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Venzon 2003
Caldari Beach Boys Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 13:18:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Dynast Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.
no drama, just stront and set RF timers for US TZ and u gonna be fine
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:21:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I have always failed to grasp, is why do PvP'ers insist on attacking people that definately are not interested in such activities. I mean, seriously, if you're a "pr0 l33t pvper" pick on someone who can actually give you a beating. I find shooting easy targets dull, but it seems that way too many people need instant gratification on their actions. A good comparison would be playing a game with a 6 year old. You let him win, in obvious ways, and he's happy every single time, because he "won", and at the end of the day that is all that matters ;-)
As for getting the money - everyone rats, everyone. That is all.
Thank you Nestor, thank you. I could not have said it better myself. I am sick and tired of people boasting they're pvping and then find them in killmails with 50 other peeps. So sad. It's player versus player, in singular. Since we are at it, what do you think of fleets and blobs?
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Vashan Tar
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:39:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Venzon 2003
Originally by: Dynast Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.
no drama, just stront and set RF timers for US TZ and u gonna be fine
As a former resident of angel space (we told you the rats sucked, you didn't believe us), I can assure that there is nothing more annoying than the SE cap fleet assaulting your holdings in Estoria every time you leave the region to go do something fun.
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Vimple
Caldari Aeon Of Strife Discord.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:45:00 -
[125]
**Disclaimer** The below statment does not refelct upon my alliance/corporation. It is mine and mine alone. **Disclaimer**
Stainwagon will die due to the simple fact that SE jumped the gun without communicating with the rest of Stainwagon. SE has always had trouble staying on the same page with the rest of SW along the lines of who is blue to everyone else. Now they went and dropped the ball. Coven are following along out of loyalty. So the sides are drwan up LR, SC vs SE, Coven, and Stainless. IT will prob back there new pets. The question is will -A- and Atlas stand by and watch. If they both stay neut or back LR, SC then Stainwagon is absolutly dead. Unless of course SE/Coven can pull in support from outside of the south.
May wealth always be just out of reach and discord always follow in thine own footsteps. -V
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr RennTech BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:48:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Thank you Nestor, thank you. I could not have said it better myself. I am sick and tired of people boasting they're pvping and then find them in killmails with 50 other peeps. So sad. It's player versus player, in singular. Since we are at it, what do you think of fleets and blobs?
Fleets and blobs are fine. You can't prevent people from banding together for a common goal. Creating an alliance to fight people is ok. All of this is more of an attitude issue. People boasting about their pvp skillz, while all they do is shooting fish in a barrel.
Fleet fights have 50 other people on killmails, that's ok, that's what fleet battles are for. War is fought in a crowd. As long as both sides feel equally about the combat, it's all ok. Once you start shooting people who are more or less civilians, everything is getting pretty much one sided.
And to all those '1337' pvpers, who will undoubtedly go "bawwww carebear" - you're just as much of a carebear, because when someone drops a very organized alliance fleet on you, you gonna go 'baaawwwww' yourself. We all know you'll do.
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D3rg3
Minmatar Alpann Siad Anam
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:50:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb what do you think of fleets and blobs?
there are no blobs in eve, just a fleet looking for a decent fight
idiots who complain about blobs are usually the same ones in a small gang ganking solo ships. no difference.
lay the fkkuking blob whines to rest will you
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Vimple
Caldari Aeon Of Strife Discord.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:59:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Vimple on 05/03/2010 15:59:11
Originally by: D3rg3
Originally by: Dr Stroomb what do you think of fleets and blobs?
there are no blobs in eve, just a fleet looking for a decent fight
idiots who complain about blobs are usually the same ones in a small gang ganking solo ships. no difference.
lay the fkkuking blob whines to rest will you
You sir. I could not agree with more. -V
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Julia Maesa
Caldari Capital Ventures Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:01:00 -
[129]
Originally by: D3rg3
Originally by: Dr Stroomb what do you think of fleets and blobs?
there are no blobs in eve, just a fleet looking for a decent fight
idiots who complain about blobs are usually the same ones in a small gang ganking solo ships. no difference.
lay the fkkuking blob whines to rest will you
Totally agree, blobbing is relative.
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Orree
Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:08:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Thank you Nestor, thank you. I could not have said it better myself. I am sick and tired of people boasting they're pvping and then find them in killmails with 50 other peeps. So sad. It's player versus player, in singular. Since we are at it, what do you think of fleets and blobs?
Fleets and blobs are fine. You can't prevent people from banding together for a common goal. Creating an alliance to fight people is ok. All of this is more of an attitude issue. People boasting about their pvp skillz, while all they do is shooting fish in a barrel.
Fleet fights have 50 other people on killmails, that's ok, that's what fleet battles are for. War is fought in a crowd. As long as both sides feel equally about the combat, it's all ok. Once you start shooting people who are more or less civilians, everything is getting pretty much one sided.
And to all those '1337' pvpers, who will undoubtedly go "bawwww carebear" - you're just as much of a carebear, because when someone drops a very organized alliance fleet on you, you gonna go 'baaawwwww' yourself. We all know you'll do.
Cripes...I've been saying this for years in this forum (and others). Yet, the same nonsense pervades this place year after year.
It's all comes down to what people need to believe to soothe their butthurt egos.
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Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:17:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Vimple **Disclaimer** The below statment does not refelct upon my alliance/corporation. It is mine and mine alone. **Disclaimer**
Stainwagon will die due to the simple fact that SE jumped the gun without communicating with the rest of Stainwagon. SE has always had trouble staying on the same page with the rest of SW along the lines of who is blue to everyone else. Now they went and dropped the ball. Coven are following along out of loyalty. So the sides are drwan up LR, SC vs SE, Coven, and Stainless. IT will prob back there new pets. The question is will -A- and Atlas stand by and watch. If they both stay neut or back LR, SC then Stainwagon is absolutly dead. Unless of course SE/Coven can pull in support from outside of the south.
May wealth always be just out of reach and discord always follow in thine own footsteps. -V
I don't think rooting SE/COVEN will be quite that simple, nor easy. Or in anybodys real interest.
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Vimple
Caldari Aeon Of Strife Discord.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:24:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Faekurias
Originally by: Vimple **Disclaimer** The below statment does not refelct upon my alliance/corporation. It is mine and mine alone. **Disclaimer**
Stainwagon will die due to the simple fact that SE jumped the gun without communicating with the rest of Stainwagon. SE has always had trouble staying on the same page with the rest of SW along the lines of who is blue to everyone else. Now they went and dropped the ball. Coven are following along out of loyalty. So the sides are drwan up LR, SC vs SE, Coven, and Stainless. IT will prob back there new pets. The question is will -A- and Atlas stand by and watch. If they both stay neut or back LR, SC then Stainwagon is absolutly dead. Unless of course SE/Coven can pull in support from outside of the south.
May wealth always be just out of reach and discord always follow in thine own footsteps. -V
I don't think rooting SE/COVEN will be quite that simple, nor easy. Or in anybodys real interest.
Im not saying that it will be easy nor that Sys-K and LR can do it without IT. Just saying htat if IT does go to bat, that SE and Coven will need something more backing them up. -V
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Koronos
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.06 05:09:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Koronos on 06/03/2010 05:17:32
Originally by: Vimple SE has always had trouble staying on the same page with the rest of SW along the lines of who is blue to everyone else.
That's because 1) they have been there for 4 years longer than any of the rest, 2) they have been "against all authorities" long before anyone thought of making an alliance of that name, and 3) they are a lot better than anyone else around there. And that's really no disrespect to anyone else.
so basically they don't, and have never, give a fock about what you, I, or anyone else thinks except maybe to the extent that if you disrespect them you are probably going to get owned.
Edit1: when I refer to SE I mean XB Edit2: on 3) I'm referring to alliances, not trying to get into a conversation about small superelite organizations vs. XB.
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Cacador Especiais1
Amarr Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.06 05:55:00 -
[134]
brick squad has allied se/c0ven...and will be mass recruiting noobie pilots that fly rifters only...like 900 of those guys. all us pro carebears need to do is ice mine for all titan bridging fuel needed. After such operation is taken care of we shall send these brave brick-jihadists to se/c0ven staging area. We then kick all 900 of these brave souls out of alliance and let the rifters go ape-$h!+ on each other. then bridge in salvagers and viators. sys-k will be so stunned by such endeavours they'll blue our new coalition to get in on teh show. We'll all be one big happy family.
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McFly
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.06 09:42:00 -
[135]
You gotta love actually having to look at the map before you start moving around. With all the fighting going on Stain and Esoteria are all lit up with fun time. Props to SE/Coven for stirring the pot and keeping the area interesting.
Hopefully the outside powerblocs will leave Stain, Esoteria, and Paragon Soul to itself. Looking forward to the days ahead.
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Yoji Kio
Minmatar StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.06 21:06:00 -
[136]
Sooooo..... This is all (or in great part) because we stayed (mostly)neutral when two allies started shooting each other? I may be new to this game but isn't Not picking a side the right thing to do?
On the other side, i learned a lot running bomber and roaming gangs against Goons with Goven/SE, and i really am looking forward to a nice even fight. Even if we are worse then them (and we are not that bad) it will at least whip us into shape and battle harden us :)
So i hope this will be nice and we can all still be friends afterwards.
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.06 21:23:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Yoji Kio
On the other side, i learned a lot running bomber and roaming gangs against Goons
You guys learned how to not bomb yourselves? I'm impressed.
The Starburst formation depicted in this video should help you immensely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMlwB0kltQ
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Liu Bu
Gallente StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.06 21:49:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Kushmir
The Starburst formation depicted in this video should help you immensely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMlwB0kltQ
That was one epic movie,
But how can you facepalm all those nice switches at onse ?
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Comy 1
Amarr Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.06 23:01:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Yoji Kio
On the other side, i learned a lot running bomber and roaming gangs against Goons
You guys learned how to not bomb yourselves? I'm impressed.
The Starburst formation depicted in this video should help you immensely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMlwB0kltQ
I would be terrified if I encountered that NC force.
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Koronos
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.07 04:14:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Kushmir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMlwB0kltQ
okay I dgaf - that is ****ing epic.
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captain kikaz
Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.07 08:59:00 -
[141]
i loled
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.08 00:23:00 -
[142]
This whole conflict reminds me of IT and Atlas' constant remarks of "We are going to make 0 sec interesting again". Only by your diplomatic incompetence I guess. Other than that you've made your giant NAP of the south, glad C0ven and SE could shake things up a little.
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Mighty Baz
Gallente Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.03.08 07:17:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Mighty Baz on 08/03/2010 07:19:13
Better late than never to join in the fun, especially many pure pvpers are bored stiff, because of sov warefare or plexing, ratting and so on... We're not interested in any conquest of Esoteria infrastructure. We've listened in amusement a political commentary. We wait for a war between NC and SC impatiently. True warrior has to train unlike a carebears. Therefore our words hadn't a hidden meaning. I hope that sides don't attach importance to this sparring between us. However we's sufficient grounds for divorce with a disloyal partner - we didn't accept Systematic-chaos behaviour in the past. That's why in return for 'their help' and they betray our trust. Nothing else.
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RifterDrifter
Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.03.08 08:44:00 -
[144]
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle This whole conflict reminds me of IT and Atlas' constant remarks of "We are going to make 0 sec interesting again". Only by your diplomatic incompetence I guess. Other than that you've made your giant NAP of the south, glad C0ven and SE could shake things up a little.
Nice try idiot, SE were the ones resetting the SC, not the other way around. Now go back to your alliance forum where you can all ensure yourselfes the South will never come up north and they would get bored soon anyway and you are totally safe and the NC can't be beaten anyways and who would take up your space when you get thrown out and lol SC are **** rite guys rite? _______________________________________________
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.08 08:50:00 -
[145]
Originally by: RifterDrifter who would take up your space when you get thrown out
This is a legitimate question I haven't seen anyone answer.
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RifterDrifter
Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.03.08 08:53:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: RifterDrifter who would take up your space when you get thrown out
This is a legitimate question I haven't seen anyone answer.
Well that question is obsolete because the SC is to stoopid to ever take that space right? _______________________________________________
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Yoji Kio
Minmatar StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.08 11:39:00 -
[147]
Originally by: RifterDrifter
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: RifterDrifter who would take up your space when you get thrown out
This is a legitimate question I haven't seen anyone answer.
Well that question is obsolete because the SC is to stoopid to ever take that space right?
Take space ?? Man we have so f***ing much space after we took over Goontopia we donĘt even know what to do with it.
This conflict has nothing to do with systems as we all (coven and SE included) have more systems than we could ever need thanks to Goons bad credit rating.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.08 12:14:00 -
[148]
It's a good job that you're taking providence too then, so you can have even more napped regions. ---
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darthbumholio jnr
Caldari Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:09:00 -
[149]
Well i may not Agree with how SE/Coven reset us after all they where the ones complaining that they where dying due lack of action so needed to do something to save themselves, but the last couple of weeks have been fun. I am the first too admit SE/Coven are good pvpers and the small scale battles prove this and their tactics have been excellent. Apart from ppl giving them easy kills when We do organise propers fleets against them and not just Blob fleets we do hold our own against them and they are constantly changing tactic's too counter us which is refreshing. So let the fun continue and ppl enjoy themselves.
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era
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Posted - 2010.03.11 02:12:00 -
[150]
Originally by: RifterDrifter
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle This whole conflict reminds me of IT and Atlas' constant remarks of "We are going to make 0 sec interesting again". Only by your diplomatic incompetence I guess. Other than that you've made your giant NAP of the south, glad C0ven and SE could shake things up a little.
Nice try idiot, SE were the ones resetting the SC, not the other way around. Now go back to your alliance forum where you can all ensure yourselfes the South will never come up north and they would get bored soon anyway and you are totally safe and the NC can't be beaten anyways and who would take up your space when you get thrown out and lol SC are **** rite guys rite?
Im not in an alliance silly. Get your facts straight. Also SE just wanted an NIP (non invasion pact fyi) and IT would not allow that. All I am saying is that IT and SC (inseperable really) just used their poropaganda to run around saying "ooo look at the giant napfest that makes up 3/4 ths of 0 sec" then wen and did a giant napfest that makes up 3/4ths of 0 sec. Get SC's balls out of your mouth.
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Yoji Kio
Minmatar StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.11 03:16:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Yoji Kio on 11/03/2010 03:17:43 Edited by: Yoji Kio on 11/03/2010 03:16:58
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Originally by: RifterDrifter
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle This whole conflict reminds me of IT and Atlas' constant remarks of "We are going to make 0 sec interesting again". Only by your diplomatic incompetence I guess. Other than that you've made your giant NAP of the south, glad C0ven and SE could shake things up a little.
Im not in an alliance silly. Get your facts straight. Also SE just wanted an NIP (non invasion pact fyi) and IT would not allow that. All I am saying is that IT and SC (inseperable really) just used their poropaganda to run around saying "ooo look at the giant napfest that makes up 3/4 ths of 0 sec" then wen and did a giant napfest that makes up 3/4ths of 0 sec. Get SC's balls out of your mouth.
Eeeh So you are angry for IT not wanting to play by SE rules ?? ThatĘs like the ****s telling the Americans to play fair and only use breadsticks instead of guns. Seriously, SE wanted a war without the danger of being invaded and IT simple said; screw you kiddies go play somewhere else. Coven said, ok we will help you otherwise we die from boredom now goons left. And we were happy just mining ice belts empty.
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era
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Posted - 2010.03.11 07:08:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Yoji Kio
Eeeh So you are angry for IT not wanting to play by SE rules ?? ThatĘs like the ****s telling the Americans to play fair and only use breadsticks instead of guns. Seriously, SE wanted a war without the danger of being invaded and IT simple said; screw you kiddies go play somewhere else. Coven said, ok we will help you otherwise we die from boredom now goons left. And we were happy just mining ice belts empty.
no, not angry, simply pointing out the contradictions in their statements before they retook Delve and now. Not that Im suprised or didn't say just that they would make a giant Napfest 3 months ago. Also yes, Eve is like WW2...
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