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Amarrbone
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren A) While I hear great things about the Malediction, my tackle inty of choice is the Stiletto - though a Vigil can work almost as well if you're strapped for cash. -Liang
Both work well actually. A diction can do an ODII, Nano, and Sigamp in the lows, with an MWD, point, extra in the mids so that it can get its lock range, but still be faster then the Stiletto.
The Stiletto, for me at least, is the better AB platform as it can do a buffer in the mids better then a Diction can and still fit speed mods.
Truthfully I'll fly either one for tackling, just a preference of mine.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.02 01:51:00 -
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I fly basically nothing but 'ceptors (although I'm in a Dramiel until they nerf it )...
Crusader/Taranis/Claw are closer than you might think, although from personal experience I'd rank them in that actual order. The REAL difference comes down to pilot skill and if all three are perfectly flown then the 'sader has a slight edge.
Tackle wise, it's a straight choice between Stiletto and Malediction for me. If you only ever need a long range point, the Malediction is my preferred choice but the Stiletto has more versatility and sometimes you really need something webbed.
Just don't fly the Caldari 'ceptors. They're terrible.
Actually, KEEP flying them. It keeps me in named MWD's and sell-able arbalest launchers when I loot them from the wreck of yet another overeager young fool trying to tackle for some FW monster blob. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hesperius I have had great success with the crow, so I am not sure why so many people hate them.
I would say whatever you get comfortable in will be which one is best for you. Although I think the ones that are hard to get comfortable in are the Ares and Raptor.
With interceptors, the pilot is 99% of what the ship is made of.
I really liked my Crow until I got a Crusader...
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.02 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowy Assistant As long as it isn't Caldari Frigate V, you've made a good choice.
This, oh how I regreat training that skill sometimes FIRST!! |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 02/03/2010 03:16:30
Originally by: Alchemist's Alt This, oh how I regreat training that skill sometimes
I trained it for the Harpy. I like the Harpy.
-Liang
Ed: I also trained AF 5 for the Harpy... because the Harpy really sucks without AF5. And arguably it is only mediocre with it. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 02/03/2010 05:36:36
Originally by: Clearly Trustworthy
Role A) - Tackling Interceptor for fleet work
Role B) - Combat Inty (it used to be that the ranis was the "best" is this still the case?)
A) Stiletto/Ares 75/25. B) Crusader/Taranis 60/40.
Hope You'll understand what that numbers mean.
And yes, Dramiel plays tackling inty/fighter inty/AF role well.
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Droning Ceo
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Posted - 2010.03.02 07:52:00 -
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Stilleto fits?
Lots of recommendations to fly it.. and setups for everything else in this thread :O
I've never really seen the point in that 4th mid.. Unless for some reason you wan to suicide yourself by webbing something :O (and being webbed scramed neuted kiled in the process)
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Ecco Storm
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Posted - 2010.03.02 08:06:00 -
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[Stiletto] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Warp Disruptor II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 50
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Rocket Launcher II, Guristas Gremlin Rocket
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
You may or may not laugh at the fitting. She's pretty fast, very agile, near 20au\sec warp speeds, dual points for two targets or a single stabbed target and an injector to give the neut ships the finger. Drop the 2nd long range point for a web or scram as needed.
This ship isn't designed to do anything more than chase down runners during a roam. Works damn well.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:03:00 -
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To be honest I'd only describe the caldari as bad.
I think the combat inties that aren't the crow are very close together.
I am really liking the Claw at the minute but have achieved good results with all three. The Ranis is the one I've had the most success with overall. The sader I have yet to find a fit I really like post scram change. I got one with a repper knocking about I need to go out and fly. I've also been quite impressed with AB fits.
Tackle inties... since cheap rigs they're all viable. The Stiletto is obviously the best with it's four mids.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:25:00 -
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There's 2 things I hate about the malediction:
1) roflkets.. on my range point inty.. seriously ccp? 2) the only inty with a longer point range than lock range.. seriously ccp?
So yeah, stiletto for long point seems to work quite well. I do like the malediction's 'tank'at range, and fit with 2x roflkets launchers and having a couple hundred defenders in the tank, and with 2 gatling or dual pulses, you can really hold out a while vs missiles, drones and what not. But you need gang boosting of your target range to be able to fit something useful, otherwise you prolly need a sensor booster and signal amp, losing you jummy slots.
Combat: Ranis is pretty easy to fit quite well, t2, point and shoot 300dps and hope you survive. Sader is a bit trickier to fly and fit well, quite a few different fits work well on occasion and you need to work with your range. With rigging and decent fit (might need cheap faction for fitting) I think a sader will win, although 2 mid slots means you are very very limited, and I'd sooner recommend a ranis than a sader.
The nice thing about amarr is you have 2 pretty sweet inties, but in fact a tackle inty is just a point anyway, all of them can do that, even the raptor. And the ares is better than the raptor. The crow and the claw are not that great as combat inties..
Gallente and Amarr have the best set of inties, and between them I recommend Gallente.
All the above is prolly crap Drone Guide
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Keitaro Baka There's 2 things I hate about the malediction:
1) roflkets.. on my range point inty.. seriously ccp? 2) the only inty with a longer point range than lock range.. seriously ccp?
So yeah, stiletto for long point seems to work quite well. I do like the malediction's 'tank'at range, and fit with 2x roflkets launchers and having a couple hundred defenders in the tank, and with 2 gatling or dual pulses, you can really hold out a while vs missiles, drones and what not. But you need gang boosting of your target range to be able to fit something useful, otherwise you prolly need a sensor booster and signal amp, losing you jummy slots.
This is why fitting it properly helps:
3 x 125m Gatling AC II 1 x Rocket Launcher II
1 x Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters 1 x Warp Disruptor II 1 x Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
2 x Nano II 1 x OD II
1 x Small Ionic Field Projector I 1 x Small Polycarb I
The weapons are there to gun drones down.
Also: defender missiles are total trash - you should be able to speed tank virtually any missile for long enough to matter, unless it's some crazy awesome Crash boosted Cerb with AML's and rigs. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Poses
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:20:00 -
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best stilleto
[Stiletto, tanked] Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S [empty high slot] 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Core Defence Field Extender I
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price Edited by: Stuart Price on 02/03/2010 02:04:08 Edited by: Stuart Price on 02/03/2010 02:03:29 Edited by: Stuart Price on 02/03/2010 02:00:23 I fly basically nothing but 'ceptors (although I'm in a Dramiel until they nerf it )...
Crusader/Taranis/Claw are closer than you might think, although from personal experience I'd rank them in that actual order. The REAL difference comes down to pilot skill and if all three are perfectly flown then the 'sader has a slight edge.
Tackle wise, it's a straight choice between Stiletto and Malediction for me. If you only ever need a long range point, the Malediction is my preferred choice but the Stiletto has more versatility and sometimes you really need something webbed.
Just don't fly the Caldari 'ceptors. They're terrible.
Actually, KEEP flying them. It keeps me in named MWD's and sell-able arbalest launchers when I loot them from the wreck of yet another overeager young fool trying to tackle for some FW monster blob.
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Originally by: Poses
how is that better then this? (Claw fit follows)
(fake edit) okay i get that you could theoretically kite at 9km, but the claw with barrage hits to there... and is a lot faster out side of scram range, AND would cap you out... maybe you jsut have lighting reflexes i guess...
'sader isn't much slower than a Claw if both are scrammed*. It's not that hard to stay out of neut range for at least a while. Then it's a straight damage race and, even plated, a properly fitted 'sader is hitting you for 174dps out to 9km while your Barrage is doing about 50 at the same range. He's also repping with all that cap you aren't neuting due to being out of range. In fact, I often find that 'sader wins even while being neuted - the neut simply doesn't work fast enough.
I've tested it - properly fitted and flown 'sader wins every time. Even starting in neut range doesn't work since it doesn't cap the 'sader out before he glides out of range of it.
*mine is often faster, oddly enough.
How would you fit your sader?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan How would you fit your sader?
Well, you take snakes... Claw is faster /when both scrammed/ and has around 9-10k ehp vs scorch, dont think sader can win when fight starts in neut range.
Originally by: Poses best stilleto
No.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.02 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Lindsay Logan How would you fit your sader?
Well, you take snakes... Claw is faster /when both scrammed/ and has around 9-10k ehp vs scorch, dont think sader can win when fight starts in neut range.
Originally by: Poses best stilleto
No.
Shush you. I'm trying to get people to stop flying Claws! Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
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