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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers
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Posted - 2010.03.04 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/03/2010 22:48:43 Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/03/2010 22:48:34 A Swedish pilot without a valid licence to fly has been arrested at Amsterdam as he was about to fly a jet with 101 passengers to Turkey.
Fair play, this guy has stones.
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Trustworthy Joe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.04 23:33:00 -
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well, in all honesty, piloting is fairly easy. from what i read, he had a license to fly small planes, and regardless of size, flying is fundamentally easy.
all he had to do was say to the co-pilot once or twice "hey, im feeling tired. take over the landing" to get used to what controls to push.
or even just use the autopilot. thats even simpler.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.04 23:48:00 -
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imo if no safety issues ever happened with him, sure he did some forging crimes on papers and did fly unlicensed. but if nothing happened during that time then hes already off to a better start then some lol.
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations
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Posted - 2010.03.05 00:27:00 -
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Pretty scary that in this day and age someone could lie their way to flying passenger planes for an airline.
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Trustworthy Joe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.05 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Posavec Pretty scary that in this day and age someone could lie their way to flying passenger planes for an airline.
dont hate the man for doing a (fairly decent imo) job under an alibi. im curious to see what stuck him in that position in the first place.
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MooKids
Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering
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Posted - 2010.03.05 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe well, in all honesty, piloting is fairly easy. from what i read, he had a license to fly small planes, and regardless of size, flying is fundamentally easy.
all he had to do was say to the co-pilot once or twice "hey, im feeling tired. take over the landing" to get used to what controls to push.
or even just use the autopilot. thats even simpler.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.05 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe well, in all honesty, piloting is fairly easy. from what i read, he had a license to fly small planes, and regardless of size, flying is fundamentally easy.
all he had to do was say to the co-pilot once or twice "hey, im feeling tired. take over the landing" to get used to what controls to push.
or even just use the autopilot. thats even simpler.
Easy? HA!
Taking off, flying from a to b and landing in clear daylight conditions are all simple tasks that anyone who is competant with driving on a busy freeway or highway can easily do.
However when the weather turns nasty and you have to fly to your destination and do a landing on instruments is when the training a real commercial pilot receives comes in handy. Not to mention if something goes wrong and you need to quickly push the correct buttons to keep the engines from exploding. So all in all I can understand the point of view of the officials.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Troll thread detected and locked.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 05:57:00 -
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Actually, takeoff and landing is fairly difficult no matter the conditions. Admittedly, flying the plane is fairly easy, unless theres a lot of turbulence or a bad storm, but any plane of any size requires a very specific speed and angle to takeoff and land properly, and small mistakes result in LARGE problems. Also, autopilot can NOT land a plane or put one in the air. _________________________________________________________________ You just lost the game, my friend... Wrong! - Cortes
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.05 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child Actually, takeoff and landing is fairly difficult no matter the conditions. Admittedly, flying the plane is fairly easy, unless theres a lot of turbulence or a bad storm, but any plane of any size requires a very specific speed and angle to takeoff and land properly, and small mistakes result in LARGE problems. Also, autopilot can NOT land a plane or put one in the air.
I didn't say anyone could takeoff and land an aircraft with zero knowledge. I'm simply stating that if you know the correct airspeed and flap angle etc etc(ie an experienced pilot giving you pointers) anyone can easily takeoff and land any aircraft. Its when things go wrong is where the experience and training come into play. Also the majority of commercial aircraft can litterally fly themselves to any destination in practically any weather on autopilot. Pilots for the most part nowadays are there simply as the ultimate failsafe.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Troll thread detected and locked.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Zions Child Actually, takeoff and landing is fairly difficult no matter the conditions. Admittedly, flying the plane is fairly easy, unless theres a lot of turbulence or a bad storm, but any plane of any size requires a very specific speed and angle to takeoff and land properly, and small mistakes result in LARGE problems. Also, autopilot can NOT land a plane or put one in the air.
I didn't say anyone could takeoff and land an aircraft with zero knowledge. I'm simply stating that if you know the correct airspeed and flap angle etc etc(ie an experienced pilot giving you pointers) anyone can easily takeoff and land any aircraft. Its when things go wrong is where the experience and training come into play. Also the majority of commercial aircraft can litterally fly themselves to any destination in practically any weather on autopilot. Pilots for the most part nowadays are there simply as the ultimate failsafe.
And I agree with that. _________________________________________________________________ You just lost the game, my friend... Wrong! - Cortes
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.05 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child Actually, takeoff and landing is fairly difficult no matter the conditions. Admittedly, flying the plane is fairly easy, unless theres a lot of turbulence or a bad storm, but any plane of any size requires a very specific speed and angle to takeoff and land properly, and small mistakes result in LARGE problems. Also, autopilot can NOT land a plane or put one in the air.
Thankfully not, or quite a few of my landings would have had some pretty ugly results. While any random person with no flying experience wouldn't be able to do it, it really isn't all that hard.
And it's not really surprising that he could do the flying part of this deception. A commercial license, at least in the US, mostly just means that you have passed the same test as for the basic license, but with stricter standards. For example, the basic license might require holding altitude within +/- 500', but the commercial license might cut the margin down to +/- 100'. The actual training to fly the big jets is done separately from the commercial license, usually by the airline. All he would need to do is fake the commercial license, then fly well enough that his fraud isn't spotted. And with 10,000 hours in his logbook, he was obviously a fairly decent pilot. -----------
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SeismicForce
Terra Incognita Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.05 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child Actually, takeoff and landing is fairly difficult no matter the conditions. Admittedly, flying the plane is fairly easy, unless theres a lot of turbulence or a bad storm, but any plane of any size requires a very specific speed and angle to takeoff and land properly, and small mistakes result in LARGE problems. Also, autopilot can NOT land a plane or put one in the air.
I'm afriad you're wrong there, the autopilot can land and take off. I also saw a documentary on a Lufthansa pilot who was going into pension, and as a last "honour" he wanted to land the plane manually.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.05 10:10:00 -
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Well, I guess he has logged enough hours to sit for the licensing test
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.03.05 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child Actually, takeoff and landing is fairly difficult no matter the conditions. Admittedly, flying the plane is fairly easy, unless theres a lot of turbulence or a bad storm, but any plane of any size requires a very specific speed and angle to takeoff and land properly, and small mistakes result in LARGE problems. Also, autopilot can NOT land a plane or put one in the air.
Yup.
Taxi, Takeoff and Landing = Critical Phase of flight roughly translated it means, "if **** is going to happen, it happens during one of these phases, so this is why you need to have everything put away, and nothing distracting you like a ****ing crackberry for example so that, should we crash - I can hopefully evac those of you that survive." Passengers are preparing for a takeoff or landing, Flight Attendants are preparing for a crash every single time they take off or land.
After a particularly hard landing it's fun to say, "Ladies and Gentlemen we've trapped the 3rd wire today here onboard the USS Las Vegas. Remain seated while the captain taxi's what's left of the plane to a shuddering halt at the gate. We have a 96 year old passenger on board today who's just finished his first flight! *round of applause* That's right folks, wish the captain a happy birthday on your way out."
You can always tell a former Navy pilot with a commercial airline vs Air Force or civilian. Navy = WHAM. :)
Originally by: Akita T "It's not that power corrupts... it's that the corrupt seek power."
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 11:11:00 -
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As long he has enough experience.
Someone hire him please, someone European.
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Sardon Darkstar
Caldari Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 12:55:00 -
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The guy had enough experience to fly the plane. As for emergency situations, I'm sure he's done his share of sim time just like other pilots so he'll know the procedures. I wouldn't be surprised if the airline he was with, made him get a type rating before flying the 737. What I find troubling is that he got the job in the first place.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Astrophysical Engineering War and Pestilence
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Posted - 2010.03.10 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe well, in all honesty, piloting is fairly easy. from what i read, he had a license to fly small planes, and regardless of size, flying is fundamentally easy.
all he had to do was say to the co-pilot once or twice "hey, im feeling tired. take over the landing" to get used to what controls to push.
or even just use the autopilot. thats even simpler.
Autopilot can't land the plane, also correct me if i'm wrong, the co-pilot doesn't even do any flying. The actual flying you could say is relatively easy, but landing and take off are different, trying to land a plane while having winds push the plane to the side makes things difficult, and bad weather makes it even harder. Planes of different sizes will also handle quite different.
Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, which i probs am. ---------------------------
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.10 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Leviathan9 Autopilot can't land the plane
Depends on the airport. At a properly-equipped airport, not only can the autopilot land the plane, but it can land the plane so precisely that they had to add a slight random error to the system to avoid damaging the runway by having every plane touch down on the same spot.
Quote: , also correct me if i'm wrong, the co-pilot doesn't even do any flying.
You're wrong. Both the pilot and co-pilot are capable of flying the airplane, and will split the flying time depending on the exact circumstances and/or the pilot's generosity with sharing those precious logbook hours.
Quote: The actual flying you could say is relatively easy, but landing and take off are different, trying to land a plane while having winds push the plane to the side makes things difficult
Yes, crosswinds can be a pain, but you learn to deal with them. Remember, this guy had a license, just not the commercial license.
In fact, the heavier jets are in some ways easier to fly in crosswinds because their size gives them a lot better stability. Even between small single-engine planes there can be a huge difference, the Cessna 172 I got my license in is much more stable than the smaller (and cheaper to rent) Cessna 152 I fly now.
Quote: Planes of different sizes will also handle quite different.
Which has nothing to do with the commercial license. The type rating to fly the jets is entirely separate, and will cover all of the differences from the smaller planes a new airline pilot is used to. -----------
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 08:39:00 -
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Haha, oh man.
I personally have a VFR license, but getting an IFR license is a completely different ball of wax (though it is something I'd like to do someday.) Just because you can fly a small craft doesn't mean you can fly a jet. The two planes have completely different inner workings from top to bottom. One missed needle and your plane can stall.
Interesting story though. The guy mentioned he was happy to be caught? Was it some sort of game to him? :\
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers
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Posted - 2010.03.10 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Haha, oh man.
I personally have a VFR license, but getting an IFR license is a completely different ball of wax (though it is something I'd like to do someday.) Just because you can fly a small craft doesn't mean you can fly a jet. The two planes have completely different inner workings from top to bottom. One missed needle and your plane can stall.
Interesting story though. The guy mentioned he was happy to be caught? Was it some sort of game to him? :\
Probably relieved that he didn't have to break the ice himself.
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